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I found this blog on de-transitioning, and thought I would share it. It bothers me, because of how similar our stories are, giving me fear that should I get the surgery, I'll only end up doing what he's doing ...

http://retransition.org/2013/10/detransition-transsexual-reg...

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I have the same fear...

Ragtime Rachel's picture

...so I don't think I'll be looking at that blog. Just reading your blog entry made me hyperventilate. If I were to read his story and find any similarity between him and me--and no convincing argument to counter it--I'll end up spiraling down into a depression similar to the one I had for much of last year.

Livin' A Ragtime Life,
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Rachel

huggles, Rachel

Sorry that you've had a tough year. Just remember if you need someone to blither at, give me a ring.

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good fear

It's a good fear to have. If you aren't 100 percent certain and in the right frame of mind, I wouldn't do the surgery at all.

Katie Leone (Katie-Leone.com)

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I could have died as a man...

Wendy Jean's picture

Or live as a woman. I personally have no fear of backtracking, especially since I have come this far.

I get depressed occasionally, but nothing like what I was just before I came out to myself. Other than the job loss, things are looking up.

opinions

Oh my God .. What have I said time and time again about opinions ?? Please Kitten just follow your own heart and let others go their own ways, as what as good for you isn't always good for others and vice-versa... Granted others have screwed up their own lives , but that doesn't mean because they did that you will.
Others offer advice meaning well but let's face it honestly, what works for you wont always work for others . Its best to leave well enough alone as we all have screwed our own lives up enough... People all make mistakes, that's why they put erasers on pencils....We all screw up so let others make their own error, don't force ours on them
'nuff said

If you didn't question

If you didn't question whether surgery is right I'd be more concerned. Questioning is only natural when considering if you should go through such an invasive and dangerous surgery.

Only you can know for sure if it is a step you need to take and only if you are completely honest with yourself. Psychiatrists can approve, surgeons can approve but your own heart and soul have to agree too.

I applaud you for taking the time to consider what course to take, a lot of those who detransition didn't do that and pay for it later.

I know you'll make to right choice for your own well being.

Big hugs

Lizzie :)

Yule

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I'm not reading the blog for comfort reasons, but...

And this might not even apply to the person within the blog, either, but my experience with the stories I've heard of individuals who detransitioned -- several of them as horror stories from my mom -- concerned individuals who initiated their transitions not because they felt they truly were girls/women, but because they felt they were supposed to be them, which are two completely different things; the former, an internalized directive, while the latter is an externalized directive based on stimuli from the world around them.

Just because it looks like a goose, walks like a goose, and acts like a goose, don't mean it ain't a gander.

Basing one's decision concerning one's gender and sex on external stimuli is a dangerous and faulty choice to make. There are plenty of feminine men, and masculine women, out in the world who are completely comfortable both with their external presentation and their internal feelings concerning who they are. Too often the stories I've heard of people who were unhappy with themselves after transition concerned those who made the choice NOT based on how they felt about their person, but on how others told them they were or should be.

"Well, I'm no good at sports, I like to cook and enjoy taking care of children. Everyone else says I'm a woman, not a man. Maybe they're right?"

"I'm taller and broader-shouldered than all the women around me. My breasts never grew large, I have a deeper voice than they do, and I just don't like dresses. Everyone says I'm more of a man than a woman, I guess they're right."

These lines of reasoning, as often as they are used in TG fiction to serve as indicators of a character's realization of who they are, in real life are nothing more than indicators of a non-binary gender scale that offers much more flexibility in presentation and personal experience than people seem to think.

Similar ideas likely do go through the heads of those who are gender-variant to the degree that transitioning is a viable choice, but there will be a distinct difference in how the thoughts will likely present themselves.

"I love children. There is nothing in the world I can imagine being more wonderful than the feeling of holding my baby in my arms after birth. I would so love being a mother. Too bad I can't, since I'm a man."

"I'm so tired of everyone expecting me to be this person I'm not. I can't stand all this girly stuff they want to force down my throat, and shaving my legs is a pain. I wish I could just be like the other guys and be comfortable."

While there are similarities between these lines of thought to the ones presented earlier, there is also one major difference, and that is the emphasis on gender incongruity being internalized as opposed to externalized.

Being internalized emphasizes the desire for change being a part of the person's personality and mental makeup itself, rather than simply a response to stressors and input from the world around them. As such, it is less prone to being malleable based on a change of stimuli. While the external stimuli are important, and play a major role in the mental health of those who face an internal gender incongruity, they can also lead to unhealthy fixations in those whose internal gender is better aligned with their physical body than their gender presentation might lead others to believe.

People being generally malleable and fickle at the same time, this leads to a lot of problems, especially with the massive amounts of gender bias still present in our modern society.

"Women have things so easy. No having to do X, Y, and Z, and being allowed to do Q, R, and S."

"Men have it all. They can T, U, and V, while as a woman I'm only allowed W. That is totally unfair."

These attitudes, when combined with external stimuli, can lead to externalized gender-incongruity issues taking the form of a more pronounced fixation in an individual that can potentially override their base gender, at least for a short time, and is in my opinion part of what causes such issues as the "de-transitioning" of certain individuals, essentially making transsexuals of those who otherwise could have found other routes to alleviating their gender issues given the time and effort to more fully understand the basis of those gender issues they present.

Of course, this argument falls in the face of the fact that a fixation often leads to a deeper understanding of that which is needed to carry it through to its conclusion, and as such those who would need such looking-into are likely the best suited to bypassing said standards of research and monitoring to convince others of their own sincerity.

It is a difficult situation, and one I am not entirely comfortable having to contend with.

Melanie E.

I agree wholeheartedly.......

D. Eden's picture

About the time I hit seventh grade, it dawned on me that I needed to conform to the mold I was being forced into. I needed to "be a man" as my father and the rest of my extended family kept telling me. As the only male in my generation, it was expected that I would uphold all of the family traditions - that I would take the bull by the horns and fulfill the commitments that my family expected of me under the Cavalier traditions that had been such an ingrained part of our family for generations.

A member of my family has served our country since before it became the United States. Service is expected - either through the military, the church, or the community/government - or preferably, a combination of two of these. We have fought in every war going back to the French and Indian War, and numerous so-called police actions or incursions. This was the life I was slated to fill.

Yes, I did in fact fill it, and fill it very well. Oh sure, I rebelled in my own way. I joined the US Navy, much to the displeasure of the collected male populace of my family - after all, "It's the army son! Don't you get it!"

My little rebellion was eventually forgiven as I volunteered for ANGLICO and served with distinction alongside multiple US Marine Corps units. It's amazing how combat, a few commendations, and three wounds will shut up the complainers.

The point behind this little walk through my past is that even though I filled the spot expected of me, I checked all the masculine boxes, I never fit. I knew down inside that this wasn't me. I knew who I was, who I should have been, who I should have grown up as - even if I wasn't allowed to be that person. Even if I spent four decades repressing those feelings, submerging my real self under a masculine facade to fit what was expected of me. I buried my feelings and lived an emotionless life in order to be someone I wasn't.

And yes - it caused me issues. I suffered bouts of depression without being able to admit the true cause; without even admitting to others that I was in fact depressed. Until last year. That is when I faced the truth that was inside of me.

So, this was wholly internal. There was no external input or drive to transition. Yes, when I look back on my childhood there were definite indications. Things that should have made it obvious who and what I really was - as far back as I can remember. But, I repressed those things and conformed. I internalized everything, leaving no outward indications.

So, my reasons for transitioning are entirely due to what I feel - no, rather to what I know to be true. Yes, I have been working for years with a therapist, but not once did she ever make any suggestions to me. When I finally faced up to who I really am and talked to her, her response was basically that she had been waiting for me to come to her. It appears that she had suspected, if not known, for years - yet she allowed me to come to the conclusion on my own.

Yes, I wish that I had not wasted 40 years of my life - but at least I know that who I am comes from me, and not from what other people believe.

Dallas

D. Eden

Dum Vivimus, Vivamus

Yes, I still second-guess my reasons for transitioning...

Ragtime Rachel's picture

...because I was one of those who felt like a weak male, and I have the sinking feeling I equated "weak male" with "woman". But then I remind myself that I tried being a man, only to have the desire to transition return again and again. Honestly, I don't know if that makes me a legitimate transsexual or not, but I know that I would NOT want to go back.

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Rachel

Not a good choice

Jemima Tychonaut's picture

Honestly Dorothy, don't read this stuff (and I was thinking of a stronger word starting with 's' there). It's between you and your psych as to whether you are ready or not ready for surgery. All that article has to offer is the opinion of one person. Don't let other peoples fears and failures become yours.

*hugs*



"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it."

This person had more than just gender issues

And he feels that he was "mutilated". He then concludes that you are the gender that you were born with, PERIOD. That all the docs and hospitals and psychologists are just part of a multibillion dollar scheme to maim people and separate them from their money. Without outright saying it, he implies he was "fooled" into believing that his life would be fixed if he transitioned to a female. Absent from this rant is any hint of self-accountability.

We all have issues. A morbidly obese person cannot be "fixed" just by a stomach stapling surgery. Yet, for many, recovery from the obesity will be impossible without the surgery, IN ADDITION to therapy to help heal the reasons why they overeat.

I would venture to say that all trans people - especially adults who grew up in even less accepting times - have emotional and sometimes physical issues that can't be "fixed" by simple SRS, breast implants, etc. etc. (How could we NOT have issues, with the stigma we've had to live with?? But I digress…). These issues, which may include depression, past sexual abuse, etc. will need to be dealt with as much as possible before any permanent physical change occurs, in my opinion. But it does not invalidate the fact - FACT - that many, many people feel they are in the wrong body, and they won't feel whole or normal until that is corrected.

What a blessing it is to live in a time when surgical correction is available and possible. How did the TG people of centuries past deal with it? (I've read various accounts of how they did; it was just a LOT harder and less satisfactory.)

This person makes the mistake of "since my experience was so horrible, it means it's wrong for everyone". Kind of like the girl who swears off any future relationships with men because of how the last few treated her - "they're all creeps" - or the person who had a bad experience with brussels sprouts and so eats no green veggies at all.

It's unrealistic to think that everyone with an urge to feel female needs SRS. That's why there are so many hoops to jump through, and so much time that needs to be taken, before it happens. Even then, I suspect that there will be some who make it through all the screenings, and then regret it. Those are tragedies. But not tragedies that they had no part in achieving.

Whew! Well, there's my 97 cents. I love you, fellow closeteers. **Sigh**

Words may be false and full of art;
Sighs are the natural language of the heart.
-Thomas Shadwell

Thank you.

Hypatia Littlewings's picture

You have expressed what I was trying to find the words for but could not when I read this earlier in the day.

Avoiding responsibility

A favorite pass time of the human condition. One of the greatest power people gain becoming adult is to take responsibility for our actions and decisions. Then work diligently with both the correctness and difficulties of those. That is the only way to learn whats best for our self. Our gender decisions take time and that gives us the ability to figure out if it is correct for us or not.

I have had my share of ginormous self doubt's about what I was doing this and my life has given me test before the education arrived. But I took the bull by its #$&%% and accepted this was my problem and in the end only I could be held accountable by the creator for my actions. With that in mind I suffered many years before I stepped up and did what I needed to do. No body twisted my arm, or held a gun to my head to become my self but thanks to my determination and being responsibility for my self I have made it to be who I am suppose to be.

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With those with open eyes the world reads like a book

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De or Re Transitioning

I would have gone back to impersonating a man, but there is no path back for me. I would only do so to please my family and they don't want me no matter what I do.

I have counsel from a Professor at Oregon Health Sciences University that the psych drugs I was taking after 911 interfere with cognition and break down the controls the mind has against that sort of thing. So, had it not been for the drugs, perhaps none of this would have happened.

If the above is true then I was nothing more than a booger head sex addict, and my marriage would have ended any how.

Back to the present. I no longer take any drugs and live a happy life as a woman. Everyone is like totally accepting to me. So, why in the hell would I go back to being a shy, depressed man?

Had all this been caught back in 1985, and had some real therapy, perhaps I would still be married, and living as a man. Or not.

Gwendolyn

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It's a topic that needs regular airing

Angharad's picture

because people need to be as sure as they can before taking irrevocable steps; surgery and hormones can change things forever and that is a long time to live with regret. What the level of reverting is, I have no idea but if the professionals are doing their job, it should be minuscule; though each one is a tragedy and those of us who have succeeded in living and working as we wish, should bear it in mind.

I'm grateful for small mercies, I'll never be a beautiful woman but I'm content with most of my lot and believe I lead a moderately useful existence. (Two cats think so anyway.)

Angharad