Starship 15

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Some more, slightly boring I'm afraid. And new, may have to correct some of it. Mostly mine ideas, but as far as I know, correct. And although there is a lot more to be said about the physics, behind physics, we won't, for now. And if you're one of those thinking of 'time' in terms of thermodynamics, I do expect a mail in where you ever so patiently explain where I go wrong questioning those ideas :)

Anyway, it's kind'a for the 'hardcore SF fan' probably.
Or those interested in 'time'.

Anyway.
Bear with me.

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Space, as we know it, is decided by distance, and distance, well, it is decided by clocks. When you measure a distance there is always a clock involved, somewhere. Because without that time measuring, how can there be a distance? So distance was a description of a space, measured by clocks. But all clocks are internal, or expressed otherwise, local. What that meant was just that if you thought of space as something getting its shape from gravity, its ‘ups and downs’ if you like, then what decided the measurement of distance was you, and your relation to that SpaceTime you existed in.

But if now your clock and so distance told you one thing but the others clock and so his measurement of a distance told him another? Which clock was the true one? The simple answer is that all clocks are true, and all distances measured. The only time one possibly could question them would be if one could be in the other mans shoes as well as ones own, simultaneously. Figuratively speaking here of course, knowing your ‘other definitions’ of time measured, as well as distances. And as there is no man, or woman, born that that can be in two places at the same time?

Then there was this idea of thermodynamics, and entropy, as some thing creating those ‘clocks’, but if that was true, why could gravity ‘redefine’ a clocks duration, measuring something? Gravity wasn’t a thermodynamical process, neither was it a entropic. Although you might want to define gravity as a matter belonging to matter, no pun intended here, gravity itself would still be a secondary effect. And if space got its ‘metric’, and so shape, from that gravity existing, didn’t that also imply that without this metric, there would be no ‘space’? Would it exist? Think about it, ‘space’ is a 'classical' nothing, but the nothing contains distance as well as ‘clocks’ and both get their definition from the gravity existing. Without a space existing for you, wherever would you find that 'clock' ticking? And without a clock, can the duration’s you need for measuring a distance exist?

Space is indeed a tricky business.
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They were falling.

But to Jeff, that now was back inside himself, and also in some miraculous way inside suit, it didn’t feel as if they were moving at all. There was light, but only as he turned back to look at the shell they were leaving, looking down, if that now was the right way to define it, there was nothing. No reflections and no light, somehow it reminded him of how he had heard people describing portals. They too were defined by the way light got lost inside them.

“A portal?” he mumbled.

“Where?” asked his suit.

“Sorry suit, it just reminded me of those stories, the light I mean.”

For the suits the last moments had been chaotic, neither of them had a clear memory of just how they had broken through that shell, nor of how they had came to be inside. But where a human would have broken down, doubting his sanity at this the suits was prepared to accept what their telemetry told them. They still didn’t have an explanation, but suit suspected that whatever it was it had to do with his young disciple, although how he couldn’t understand? But humans were his creators and so, in some way his teachers still, even as young as Jeff.

And Jeff found it just as hard to remember. It seemed to slip away, and he had to work keeping it in his mind. It was as if he unconsciously didn’t want to remember, trying to, becoming a fight? It didn’t make it any better that what he thought himself to have done involved concepts he couldn’t seem to find the words for? It was as if he had reached out with his mind, and somehow been able to manipulate things to small too exist. But he was making a effort to remember.

“Suit, I want to record.”

“Go ahead Jeff.”

As he told his story he could the shell dwindling away, it seemed as if their velocity was increasing. As he finished with what he could remember he asked.

“Is that us accelerating?”

Directly realizing how stupid that must sound. If it had been them he surely would have felt the gravity’s G-forces acting but there was no such sensation, only a weightlessness. Suit and Royal had already been in submode several minutes discussing it. Using the shells transparency, and the soils discoloration’s, they got a measure of distance, and triangulating they found themselves accelerating at a ever increasing velocity, although gravitationally. It made no sense, all answers they got triangulating was one in where the planet had to be immensely larger than anything ever measured before. And then there was the fact that all their pings back to that shell were becoming increasingly distorted. Royal had an idea, but even for a suit of his advanced composition it seemed too far fetched to be presented. In the end it was Jeff venting something similar, as they included him into their findings.

“A neutron star? Nah, it can’t be, can it?”

“No, we would have been crushed a long time ago Jeff if this planet would have been made out of neutrons. I have one computation though, that may be possible, but its probability is so low as to make it impossible.

“Worse?”

“A Black Hole.”

Inside the planets very center they hovered, not one, not two, but three of them. The crust added gravity but it were the black holes that made up for the part missing. Two of them were rotating around each other, with the third using those as its center, rotating around them both. That was also what made up for the gravity differing. They made for a stable configuration, one of the few possible in a three-body configuration.

But the most amazing fact about them wasn’t really that, but the fact that none of them had a spin. As is well known all Black Holes are expected to have a angular momentum, a spin. The fact of them spinning had been proven for all Black Holes known so far. And the explanation to them spinning, sometimes close to the speed of light, laid in the way their original rotations, before being compressed, translated into an ever increasing angular momentum as they shrunk in size.

But those Black Holes didn’t, presenting us all with a enigma. Not that the suits, or Jeff knew it yet.

And that was a added worry to the suits as with a spin there came tidal forces, ‘framedragging’ as it was called, where the very space was dragged around with the black holes spinning, well, the gravity was. A little like your water spins around as it disappear down the drain, just exchange the word ‘water’ for ‘space’. Those forces, as well as the way gravity itself acted inwards, would start to separate their molecules from each other at them as they closed in on the Event Horizon. tearing them apart. Although, there did exist some scenarios describing Black Holes free from those forces, as experienced past the Event Horizon, but as there were no way testing them?

I said that gravity decides the clock rate but a better way of describing it may be that gravity and motion defines what you will see. All clocks in the universe have one same intrinsic beat. That may sound slightly weird considering a time dilation, which clearly indicates that there must be different beats. But what a time dilation speaks about is the relation between frames of reference, your own frame observing all other. Instead of your intrinsic 'clock' warping, it will be those other frames that express it according to you, depending on gravity, motion and energy. And it is first when you take your observations, and compare it to what the other frame has measured that the inconsistency of a whole SpaceTime express itself. SpaceTime do not have only one truth, it has one truth for each observer.

It all falls back on one simple thing, the fact that the speed of light always will be measured at one indifferent ‘speed’ in a vacuum, namely 'c', becoming what is called a ‘constant’. In the end we seem to meet those ‘constants’ everywhere. They are the ultimate guardians of SpaceTime, and their values comes seemingly without explanation. All discussions giving 'c' different values either ignore gravity, or steps away from Einsteins definitions.

And as long as you can accept that gravity defines the space, then all points consisting of that gravity also must have ‘clocks’ embedded in them. Those clocks never differ from what you know to be the correct ‘duration’, as you easily can test just by going there to measure them yourself. They will always be the same to you. That doesn’t state that what you measure, observing someone else, will show you the same duration’s you find yourself to have, and that fact will be just as true for the one moving, measuring you. Space and Time inseparable into a moldable jello, changing depending on mass, motion and 'energy'. Unique for each observer or, if you like, for each point in SpaceTime.

So, ‘time’ has an arrow, and that arrow only delivers you one ‘speed’, as far as you can measure it locally. But everyone else’s time and distance will, according to you, change with their relative motion, gravity and 'energy'. And this will be true for all points in this universe, they all will have a unique description of how 'SpaceTime looks'. A Lorentz transformation is a mathematical tool for translating those different perspectives into one ‘whole’ description. A little like you translating your dollars into pounds. Nevertheless, all of them being true descriptions, from where they are measured and experienced.

And as all black Holes can be thought of as machines? Truly weird cosmic engines, becoming the givers, as well as destroyers, of life? And they all represent enormous energies, in fact infinite at their centers. Sending out gigantic jets of radiation that becomes our newest stars as they met the interstellar gas clouds permeating our universe.

This non spinning configuration inside the planet was silent, dormant, and waiting.
But, for what?

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Well for some stupid kids in

Well for some stupid kids in spacesuits tumbling into them?

I wonder how they plan to survive that. The blackholes should rip them appart.

Can't wait for the next chapter.

Thank you for writing this interesting story,
Beyogi

:)

Then we're two.

I love improbability theory.

Non-scientists seem to think that everything can eventually be figured out, and we seem to think that is what the scientists are doing. I think that scientists are just explorers like kids in a candy shop. I think that God created the trillions of galaxies we call the universe for us to explore. So, if we are gonna do that, we need to think a lot differently about things. Maybe we will have to even evolve into another, more advanced human.

In our present form we thirst for the blood of others; to create war where there is none and we do it so well that I often wonder if there is a place in creation for me. Hopefully there are more like this and eventually we will be the majority.

I have this persistent dream where a strange looking wooden ship floats down out of the air in front of me. I begin to get on the ship at the Captain's invitation. He looks like an American indian chief, with his leather clothing and long, feather head dress. I am saddened that I can not get on to travel the heavens because I have metal on me; tooth fillings, scraps of metal in my knees, flecks of it in my eyes. I watch in deep sadness as the Captain climbs back on his ship to leave me in my sadness, tears streaming down my face.

So, tales of improbability thrill me to my very core; knowing that to continue life as it is and as we are will rightfully lead to our extinction.

So, know that in spite of low vote counts and comments, you do have devoted followers of this story.

Ma Salaama

Khadijah

lol BEWARE(!!!):

You're starting to gain a cult following. (jk)

But in all seriousness, I haven't been challenged by a scientific idea like this sence my senior year science class where me and a buddy of mine worked out a "ceiling fan / sling" theory to accelerate to faster than light speeds (assuming that you could find a material that would remain rigid).

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Peace be with you and Blessed be

Peace be with you and Blessed be

Niice.

This story may be confusing at times with all the concepts you throw at us, but it is also one I really want to follow to the end. As I said at first... Niice.

Maggie

dummies

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The story is good, but dummies like me have totally been lost for the last chapter or two.

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~Your only Limitation is your Imagination~

~Your only Limitation is your Imagination~

I Think I Understand...

...what you're saying. But it seems to me that the logical conclusion that Suit and the Royal would have drawn when they found themselves through the barrier and into an impossibly large space relative to themselves ought to have been that they had shrunk to submicroscopic size.

Admittedly, that would require them to explain how their own components (and Jeff) are still managing to operate under macro conditions when they were down to quantum size. But it would at least try to account for their their inability to process what happened and the suspension of Jeff's memories while the change was taking place, and most importantly, their getting through the neutronium barrier -- which the black hole explanation doesn't seem to do. (It'd be extremely difficult to get through something that dense, but given the Uncertainty Principle and wave/particle duality, at that size they could indeed find themselves reconstituted on the other side.)

From what you've said in the rest of the chapter, that's not the right answer. But when it comes to "believing impossible things before breakfast", as Lewis Carroll put it, I'd guess that's where one would start.

Eric

heh

:)

Yeah, when only the impossible is left, then the impossible must be considered.
Wasn't that Sherlock Holmes?

It's a tricky story where I put in a lot of 'subjective views'. And it in some ways destroy the 'flow' of it, but the upside is that we all get our minds working, me as well as you. And I doubt that there is anyone born that hasn't at one time or another wondered what it all is about.

Physics is good for that. You may not see it when you meet them, but the best of those weird physicists/theorists/mathematicans are wondering exactly that.

What's it all about?

And thanks again.
Yor,

hi

Sorry, I'm having a time out, temporarily so. I'm in the middle of a buildup, and I expect to be so for four days more. I'm trying to write, just don't have the time to give it the attendance it deserves to be readable. But I will post a chapter soon.