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I'm not going to gloss over the reality that you really, really upset me. I don't expect everyone to agree with my human rights stance on issues and my "politics." Reasonable, and reasoned, debate is always interesting.

I don't ask that you agree with me, but I do ask that you communicate your differences in a civilized and comradely way, and that you try to color your appearance in the chatroom with some sympathy and sensitivity for what transgendered, gay, and other "sexually variant" people have to deal with in this society, including the intersexed, who easily are born into one of the rawest deals ever, and treated as "monsters" when they're just innocent babies with birth defects, and God's own creations.

Frankly, if you can't support things like laws to protect those like us, and those more vulnerable than us, and things like the boycott of the murder-gays-lyrics Jamaican Reggae artists (which you can google yourself -- artists who have not signed "the pledge" to stop inciting violence against gays and the transgendered are banned from giving concerts in a host of nations now), then I have no idea why you want to hang around the chatroom at all, unless you're there to be a "troll" and somehow get your jollies that way.

There. That's what I wanted to say. If you can accept that that's how I feel, and that it's heartfelt, then I'm prepared to accept your apology, and maybe we could become friends.

If you aren't, or can't find any sensitivity, sympathy or empathy in your soul, then never mind.

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Ummm what?

Pippa, what is this? Who is this directed at?. And should it have been a pm instead of a blog?
 

    Sephrena Lynn Miller
BigCloset TopShelf

What It Is...

...is a rant, in the style of "I, Anonymous," one of my favorite columns in the Seattle alternative weekly, The Stranger.

It doesn't matter who it's to. Or, even if it's to a real person. It's a way of expressing some feelings. Consider it art.

Pippa

kristina l s's picture

Are you ok? This blog and a comment elsewhere is unlike the you I don't really know. Yes, I don't know you but you generally come over as thoughtful and fairly sensitive. This and the comment sound brittle and that worries me. Been there and seen it. Talk... to someone, now.

Kristina

Not To Worry

Kristina, dear, I am fine. I am "talking" to someone. I'm talking to you, and the community that gathers around this website. This is called "venting." I'm not bottling anything up or holding it in, so don't worry.

This blog piece is intended to sound brittle. It's, after all, written as an ultimatum to one person. A demand for reciprocity. It's a diatribe that says, "Don't play in our playground if you don't like us or care about us, or can't at least behave as if you do, you self-loathing troll!"

I would admit it was originally written with one person in mind, but then I realized I knew someone else exactly like them, and two or three someone elses very, very similar. And, then I decided I just wanted to shout it from a rooftop, to take a stand.

How can you come into a TG chatroom to prance around and act all girly, and then start spouting the same repressive garbage that comes out of the mouths of the Hate Talk-radio trolls? I'd say something about the closeted Republican phenomenon (a la Larry Craig and many others), but it wouldn't mean anything to those outside the US.

No, I said exactly what I wanted to say, and I feel good about it. Excuse me while I bask in the wisdom of my own words and admire them some more... :-)

I would consider this sensitive

I don't see the blog as a rant or a rave. I see it as a statement to mankind from a person who is tired of the biased opinion from artist and composers just to see music. I also see it as a challenge to those of us who amble blindly through sites thinking it does not pertain to them.
I am intersexed and yes I am blasted by the religious zealots and the dumbfounded public who only see black and white. I am female hear me roar.
I can empathize with others due to my circumstances. so no, this is not a rant or rave its a public statement to the mentally blind.
Jill Micayla
May you have a wonderful today and a better tomorrow

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

outrage over complacency

laika's picture

Here, take some Prozac! Chill!
Read my cute story about how I got a boner
from putting on a nun's habit! It's really good...
Stop asking questions! Don't be angry! You're scaring us!
Render unto Caesar! Shrug as the transgendered are cut out
of the new anti-discrimination bill! You have had a rough time,
I can recommend a really good therapist. You can't fight City Hall.
Things are getting better, it takes time. I'm too femme for politics...
Well that's one way of looking at it, but in an innaresting op ed piece-
ERIN, SEPHY, MAKE HER STOP!!!!!!!!!!!!
~~~laika

.
"Government will only recognize 2 genders, male + female,
as assigned at birth-" (In his own words:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lugbpMKDU

Tolerance

One of the toughest things to do is to tolerate the intolerant.

Pippa, I Understand Where You Are Coming From

My best friend is gay, he is a Concert Pianist too. He devotes hours to practicing and composing music. He was fired from the church he was playing music for when they discovered he is gay. I was there when he went through the HELL they put him through. That same church has closed its doors because it could not accept people for what they are.
Since then, I have become even more open to the T.G. Community. I have made many friends here and value each and every one of them. Those intolerant of others lead a sad and lonely existence. I thank GOD that my eyes were open to the T.G. Community.
May Your Light Forever Shine

    Stanman
May Your Light Forever Shine

I'd like to be able to agree, Stan.

I'd really love to be able to agree, but from what
I've seen, lots of those ignorant and intollerant folks
are some of the happiest bastards on the planet.

There are plenty of them so that they always get to hang
out with each other, and then think up lots of other things
that they can choose not to tollerate.

In my opinion, the only satisfying thing about being
ignorant, is that it's its own reward. Lots of them never
realize.

I too have seen what's been described. I saw a group
of 'ladies' from a southern babtist church near my home
go after a kid my age my age. They wer viscious, and as
I've always said, visciousness is the last refuge of the
truely stupid.

I walked over, and took him by the arm, and began to pull
him away. No one else moved. The Queen Bee rounded on me.
All I could say to her was, "If you feel this angry, I don't
think that's God talking. I think you have somelthing really
wrong with you."

The kid, who said he was gay, he never went back to church
again. He used to dissappear, and about fifteen of us kids at
would jump into our cars and go to look for him, because he
attempted suicide at least three times, never real close, but he
was hurting. Later, he was ok, thanks to his big sister.

The Queen bee and her minions? Well, they all went to heaven.
Nothing to be sad or lonely about.

Sarah Lynn

Intolerance

Is a two way street.Being a member of the LGBT community wether one chooses or not can be a tough pill to swallow.Especially when your supposed allies don't just push you under the bus but offer to run you over.Like HRC's backing of a non transgender/transexual inclusive enda.There is a movement to rename Transexualism HBS after Harry Benjamin.Beating up crossdressers and transvestites with words is becoming good sport.I agree that transexuality should be out from under the umbrella but at the same time I still support gay rights.My dad is a Baptist Minister and we talk.He's obviously not overjoyed I'm TS but what parent is?He admits he wouldn't have handled it well when he was younger and call me cruel because I dropped the bomb on him just before he was ordained.I wanted to make sure he understood that there are many who feel differently then him but still believe and are worthy of being treated fairly and what better way than to make it hit close to home.I have noticed a change in both him and my stepmother towards alternative lifestyles and the people who live them.They understand there are feelings involved and are working towards being better.My father even told me my stepmother would go shopping with me(if only she had fashion sense).Sometimes the best way to change intolerance is to allow it close so those who practice it are allowed to really get to know us.Amy

Intolerance

Puddintane's picture

There's a fascinating article in this month's Scientific American, "Your Cells Are My Cells," which describes the phenomenon of microchimerism, the existence of genetically-different cells, and even organ systems, in human beings and other animals, descended from cells that pass through the placental barrier during pregnancy.

It seems that the whole idea of rigidly autonomous "individuals" who exist as a sort of archetype of their own unique genome is a convenient and self-aggrandising fiction, as seductive and misleading as ghostly Platonic universals floating about in the pristine Neverland of a Platonic hyperspace somehow set aside from the messy reality of quantum space-time.

And oddly enough, the transfer works both ways -- cells from the mother (which may include cells from *her* mother and previous foetus) pass to the foetus and vice versa, making a nice slippery mess of things which mostly passes beneath our notice but sometimes appears in strange ways, in autoimmune and other diseases, in compensation for genetic diseases that ought to do us harm, and possibly other things difficult to imagine.

SciAm.com February, 2008 issue

http://tinyurl.com/2hdt95

"I contain multitudes." --- Walt Whitman

This may help to explain the fact that mothers who give birth to male children have, on average, their lives shortened by several years (See, you really *were* killing your mother) and (this is pure speculation on my part) *may* have something to do with various otherwise unexplained mental conditions.

... (three dot journalism, an homage to Herb Caen)

When one looks at the so-called LBGT spectrum, one may be struck by the suspicious neatness of it, the cheery "categories" which offer safe havens for people who want to be "different," but not too terribly different.

The whole system reminds me of phrenology, or the clever racial theories of European "scientists" in the Nineteenth Century who discovered that Europeans, especially northern and western Europeans, were gratifyingly placed at the very pinnacle of the hierarchical evolutionary tree, somehow just a tiny bit less exalted than the angels.

It strikes me that we're all of us "queer," but that this "queerness" may take many forms, based on societal happenstance, situational experience, and personal interactions.

When viewed from the perspective of Anita Bryant heterosexuality, all those "disgusting homosexuals" are, in fact, "transgendered," if not in body image then in actions and/or inclinations. When one arranges the various "deviations" from the "norm" based on more-or-less objective criteria of actions and self-description, one finds not discrete buckets of pink, blue, and lavender, but a swirling mass of scumbled colours, a rainbow solid in multiple dimensions that changes over time, with today's gender-queer "boi" on a chopped Harley tomorrow's soccer mom in a white Chevy minivan, and today's brawny governator yesterday's soft-core gay heartthrob.

These things are fads, I think. When I grew up, butch/femme was where the action was, but then flannel dykes were hot and everyone had to wear jeans, workboots, and plaid logging shirts. Now, half the old butches have re-imaged themselves as f-t-m men and the other half are still playing out a stereotyped role as anachronistic as the hardboiled detective in a film noir three-reeler from the Forties. Some of the Femmes are now tops, some are bottoms, and most are in between, and the tres girly outfits of the Sixties are now dress-for-success corporate chic with lipstick. Go figure.

As far as I can see, there's no substantial difference between an imponderable "identity" and an equally imponderable "preference." They're both fluid and may change over time, one merging seamlessly into the other. I've *seen* angry radical Separatist stomping dykes turn into simpering wives and mothers, and I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover front-page pictures of Cheney shagging Bush in a White House closet on the pages of the National Inquirer some fine day, with Laura an avid voyeur in the background, outfitted with black leather bullwhip and nipple clamps. Things change. Things are quite often not what they seem to be. In the case of rabid anti-homosexuals, perhaps the unexpected really ought to be expected. Hitler (or was it Goebells) once observed that the best Nazis were often former Communists, and the outing of prominent public fag-baiters as closet queens is so commonplace as to tar the rest of the pack with the same 'tain't, if only they realised it.

We may all of us be disgusted or gratified on alternate days in alternate ways by various "alternative lifestyles."

I find contemptible the use of young children as sexual objects by older men but Socrates thought it was only natural, pederastic sexual tourism is a thriving industry, and Vladimir Nabokov made a pile of money from the mere idea. Type in the word "Lolita" in Google and you'll find 59,500,000 hits. Type in the word with "-sex" to exclude the most obvious pornography sites and the number goes down a a mere 2,240,000. Golly! It would seem, by elementary economic theory, that the number of potential customers must have something to do with the numbers on offer, which would seem to imply in turn that (assuming, let's say, a very frugal twenty customers per site, and factoring in the scanty penetration --- if you'll pardon the expression --- of the Internet) a very substantial proportion of the male (funny, that one "naturally" assumes that dirty old men are usually male, so let's include a few millions of women as well) population of this planet find the idea titillating. Fancy that.

But one never knows... perhaps, in some unhoped-for future, my brain riddled with the lesions of Alzheimer's syndrome, I'll learn to be more tolerant.

In the meantime...

Rachel, Rachel, I've been thinking
What a queer world this would be
If the men were all transported
Far beyond the Northern Sea!

Rachel, Rachel, I've been thinking
Life would be so easy then;
What a lovely world this would be
If there were no tiresome men!

Any woman can...

Cheers...

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

Brilliant!

What a wonderful essay/editorial, Pudintane! I'm ecstatic to have it associated with my mundane rant. Thank you for posting it here. It completely validates my original impulse that this was a pot worth stirring, that there was much thought on the subject worth evoking, and others with more and better things to say on the subject than me.

Actually, I'm loving everything in this thread so far. Thank you, one and all for taking the time to think and respond!

My Response

Thanks for responding, Pippa.

I accept how you feel, but I still tend to feel that you think I'm the enemy for some reason--which I'm not.

I hang out in the chat rooms for entirely different reasons than you, I'm guessing. For me, it's a place where I like to chat with other friends and authors (who seem to come on less and less these days). I do plenty in the real world to advocate for transgenered people (especially in divorce cases and employment cases)--and people who are not like me at all but are also discriminated against.

I had entirely different experiences with Reggae music and Jamaica--but I listened to Peter Tosh, Yellowman, Toots and the Maytals, Lee Scratch Perry, etc. Definitely sexist, but I don't ever remember them talking about killing gays. Admittedly, I don't listen to any new Reggae or dance hall--so I had know idea about the lyrics.

Honestly, I think I feel the same way about you on most issues that TG, gay, and lesbian people have to deal with.

In any case, thanks for responding and I'm happy you accepted my apology. I think you're an interesting person and are a huge asset to our community.

Jodie
xoxo

P.S. (this is for everyone else) I'm not a Republican--not that I think there is anything wrong with whoever happens to be one. This isn't about politics to me.

Reggae and Rap

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The two genres are related, in that Rap is descended from Toasting via Hip Hop out of the Jamaican Reggae culture. I think that characterising either as dominated by misogyny and/or queer-baiting is somewhat superficial and probably springs from a less-than-extensive acquaintance with Jamaican and modern Urban music.

Roots Reggae, for example, typically focuses on Jah, and other themes particular to the Rastafarian movement. Dancehall Reggae does have at least one notable homophobe, Shabba Ranks, who advocated crucifying homosexuals, but since he came out as a queer-basher (or at least an advocate) his popularity has greatly declined. Marky Mark, a once-popular white rapper who failed to instantly distance himself from Shabba, suffered considerable damage to his reputation and made profuse apologies somewhat later. One doesn't attack homosexuals within and around the entertainment business with impunity, as there are so very many homosexual men and lesbians associated with the trade, whether closeted or not, and some are quite influential. Make a few offensive or slurring remarks and pretty soon even Kathy Griffin, Doyenne of the D-List and outspoken exponent of political incorrectness, won't return your calls.

Reggae and Rap, along with many African-inspired musical genres, have a long tradition of being concerned with social justice and the plight of the poor, and often either celebrates or demonstrates the verbal skills and eloquence of the "Man-of-Words" in the West Indies Creole cultures, an unbroken tradition descended directly from African roots. To the extent that practitioners depart from this, and they often do, since people like to dance and have fun as well as recruit fellow revolutionaries, they still participate in that tradition, much as music in the choral style of religious Hymns participates in religion even though, like the a cappela group Sweet Honey in the Rock, they have utilised the genre to highlight their secular stance against domestic violence, racism, and other social issues. In this they harken also to Reggae and Rap.

Music is a continuum. Every artist listens to other artists. Very few musicians espouse hatred, in any genre. The Greek hymnos was a song of praise, springing from the first known hymns to the Egyptian God Aten, and the Vedic hymns of India. Likewise the African "Man-of-Words" was a traditional praise-chanter who accompanied a King, although a King might also be a "Man-of-Words." Such praise-chanters and singers were held in high regard in most ancient and traditional cultures, and all modern music participates to some degree in holiness.

Using religious tools to propagate hate eventually turns back to bite those who so pervert it, I think, and is always a mistake. Look what happened to the Catholics after their little pogroms against the infidels and heretics during the Middle Ages. First thing you know the church fell into disrepute and disfavour, fell apart, and it hasn't been put back together again since. Nowadays, one has to distinguish between several sorts of Catholics, not to mention Protestants, Latter Day Saints, and countless variations on the theme, some of which are more than slightly autre.

The Czars of Russia tried it in the early 1900'a, and look where they wound up, quicker than you could say "Rasputin." Hitler tried it again, with notable results to his longevity and reputation, but there are always fools lined up with the same general message. What can you say?

Cheers...

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

Jamaica, Homophobia, and Reggae

If you google on the words "Jamaica" and "Homophobia," you'll find many sources of news, analysis and opinion.

For starters, I'd recommend this article in Time Magazine, "The Most Homophobic Place on Earth?" (click here).

As the article points out, Jamaica shares some of its homophobia with a great deal of other Caribbean countries, too, but there does seem to be more of it than other places and a definite linkage to the music of a certain segment of artists.

Pippa -- Did You See Your Shadow?

Are we doomed to another four years of hate coming out of the White House?

Isn't twenty years of anti-gay bile flowing down Penn. Ave. long enough?

From the cheapseats I have to give the nod to Ron Paul. He seems to understand "tolerance." Or am I being hoodwinked once again?

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)