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If you are the praying type, I could use one right now. I'm doing okay except one tiny detail - I'm struggling with my faith in God. This little high-wire dance of being both Christian and transgender is taking a toll on me, and I really dont want to fall off ....

Ah, well.

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Sorry Dot. Not wanting to

Sorry Dot. Not wanting to start any arguments here!! But I can't help you much. I abandoned all pretense of believing in any religon long ago, when I was 12 and was told I was evil for even asking questions of a preacher who "encouraged kids to open up to him" with questions. Everything except sex changes and God's attitude toward same, that is.

Following that incident, I was present when a "deacon" of the church propositioned a recently divorced woman for sex in exchange for rent money, and then he went home and lied to his wife saying she propositioned Him, and my friends and their mother were forcibly moved out by his wife and some of her crony bitches and dumped (literally) in a town 12 miles away with their clothes and some furniture, on the sidewalk, in the dark and cold. She had no transportation, and they spent the night in the local jail. The next day they were moved on to a town 40 miles away from there after "da bitch" talked to her pals in that town.

A few months later, I was waiting for my parents to arrive in another town, and watched another deacon walk into a liquor store and come out with a large sack of selected booze, and that just a week after he had lectured our entire highschool on the evils of drink!!! "Do as I say not as I do", eh?

And then I later had the opportunity to overhear private conversations on selecting a new minister. It was all politics, small town variety, by small minded people. God did not pertain. I have no respect for any religious practicioner. Snake oil salesmen, each and every one, IMO.

I am sorry you are struggling with your faith at this time in your life, as for some people the belief in something greater than themselves is comforting. I would suggest that if you are having a hard time with doctrine, then maybe you should just fall back on a personal relationship with God, and be guided by how you feel in uncertain situations. Even the most jaded of preachers have to say that "God speaks to each of us, if only we would listen".

For what it is worth my dear, I do wish you the best and send you my most positive vibes.

CaroL

CaroL

Well....

Andrea Lena's picture

...if you ever do fall off that wire, you'll end up in God's hands. Your faith is in whom you believe, and you already know that he loves you. No matter how things play out, nothing can separate you from the love of God. And you know also that he made you, so he knows you and has a plan for you. From before you were born. Remember your name...Dorothy doro theo gift of god! Blessings, dear heart!!!!

  

To be alive is to be vulnerable. Madeleine L'Engle
Love, Andrea Lena

Don't Equate Religion with Faith

Read the Book of Tobias.

Like other very Christian books this one doesn't make it into every Bible. It's interesting how many Bible versions there are. The Book of Tobias is all about compassion.

Sweetheart . . . do you believe in a compassionate God? If you do, you know how bogus most religions have become.

Jill

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

Struggle

I have no faith myself, so my advice might not be very useful. But I just think you should make sure that you're not mixing up faith and dogma. It may be that your particular sect might have trouble with transgender persons, even though the loving nurturing God you believe in doesn't. Look around your town and you might find a more welcoming congregation, and probably an understanding clergyperson who can better help you through this crisis of faith.

struggling with my faith

Dorothy, read A Summer's Odyssey by Jennifer Sue. Her main character is a Christian who found her true nature as well as loving support where she continues to mature into a young woman. It has many Bible verses showing God's acceptance of us. http://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/book/10770/summers-odyssey Please read and tap into the Faith that she has.

    Stanman
May Your Light Forever Shine

I don't get...

I don't get your problem.

As a Christian, we're supposed to follow the teachings of Jesus. What did he say the most important commandments were? (From what you've said so far, I suspect you can quote them quite easily.) Yes, they are about LOVE - unconditional.

I don't know where you try to practice your faith, but I've had nothing but support from my pastor and congregation (and, yes, it's a mainstream denomination). Yes, there are MANY groups that claim to be christian who do not accept that a person can be transgender. I don't happen to agree with them. There are some that claim that being transgender is just one more "trial" the lord places on some people and to be Christian they must "resist" the temptation. I don't agree with that either. Neither of those fit the descriptions of a "loving lord" - at least as I understand the word "love".

Then, to take things a step further. What defines YOU? Does your physical body contour (genitalia, etc.) or is it your brain? Which one is the one that makes you be who you are? I know some folks joke about guys having an upper brain and a lower one, and the lower one's in control most of the time, but that's not really true (well about it being a brain anyway). But, to take this further, how can we be true to the lord, if we are not true to ourselves?

You seem to want to follow the spiritual adviser/congregation you've been associating with. But, you need to look where it is taking you and who you are. I don't believe someone who really has YOUR best interest at heart (rather than their own interest) would encourage you in a direction that was counter to who you really are.

All that said... this IS something nobody can work out for you (okay, some will probably try). YOU need to work out who you are and what (if any) relationship you will have with the lord. We ARE given free will, and it is up to us to exercise it. Some chose to go very different ways... That you question your faith (I think that's what you're questioning - not whether you're trangender - but either is valid) is healthy (in my opinion). We are enjoined to question. (Just look at Thomas, for an example.) And, we are asked to think. In the tradition of my denomination, questioning and thought is encouraged (well, by most - and by the discipline - if not by all members).

Best wishes to you as you wrestle with your doubts.

Annette

Dump religion IMO

Up until I was 5 I was religious and believed in god and what not. Unfortunately I had some issue w. my junk and one of those lay on hands preachers basically ripped me apart to where they had to put me in the ER and run a tube in my stomach to do drain my urine and I had emergency surgery. When I got out all my friends had turned against me (went to the church school) saying I was an abomination of god, the devil etc... My best friend (we were raised together) actually threw rocks at me because she was told talking to me or being around me would send her to hell. Her cousin who i was friends with before and his friends ran me down w. his moped (he was in 4th grade) and proceeded to break my arm, some ribs and did wheelie burns on my stomach, legs and shoulders. Luckily this happened in a park and some college students saw what was going on and took me to the hospital after running them off.

Fast forward to when I was in 3-4th grade. Step-father molested me for about a year continuously. It was found out someone was molesting me and I got drilled by DHR on who was doing it while my step father was in the room. I lie and say it was someone else, a few months later my mom walks in and sees him in the act. TBH the DHR, doctors and court hurt me way more than the actual molestation. Anyways my mother looked at it more on me stealing her husband and through her religious "friends" sent me to a mental place where they would flash various porn images at me and shock the piss out of me (literally). I have no clue how long i was in there it could have been a week it could have been months as they kept me drugged up all the time. Meanwhile they kept going on an on about how good god was and all.

6th grade my mother thinks i'm the antichrist (seriously) and has her church friends exorcise me. AKA beat the shit out of me and half drown me with holy water. Oh and they burn all my clothes, books, cassettes(music). This happens 2 more times up until i was 15.

Oh and I'm not even going to get started on the hyper religious dr's and nurses.

This leads me to truly hate and despise christianity. Look at the history of it and see where it truly comes from. The torture and/or murder of anyone that do not share the same beliefs. Yet people say "oh that was in the past, christianity is nothing like that now", true but it is based on that. I can't help but smirk when christians talk about muslims cause IMO they are the same.

Now I have met good christians and I am friends with a few. I'm even on good terms with a catholic priest of which he and i have had many good discussions. Baptists are crazy, but then my history is with the baptist church. I do believe in the golden rule though, and try to treat others with respect. I will not shove my beliefs on anyone and I do lie and say I'm agnostic at work but when you live in the south you kind of have to.

If you really need religion try to find a Unitarian church, they are generally more excepting of people.

/endrant

Dear Dottie,

I think you need more self-confidence and self-esteem, of course, I don't have much and I can only mention cliches about their improvement.

I think Drea is suffering all the time from her abuse/PTSD, her physical pain and her gender dysphoria, but she's got the best faith around, IMHO.

I, on the other hand, think that most of Jesus' teachings are excellent and it would be so nice if all Christians would act that way. Jesus was a man of his time, however; I don't accept his views on slavery and a few other things common in the Roman world.

There are a number of theories on tragedy and suffering in the world. There was a popular book by a rabbi called 'Why Bad Things Happen to Good People' that discussed some theories; I might be remembering this wrong, but I think he thought it most likely that God wasn't really all powerful and/or all knowing. Some say the fall in the garden of eden gave humyns free will, so God doesn't interfere, but that contradicts both old and new testament stories. I just believe stories in genesis are myths with only allegorical value. Mosaic laws were somewhat myth driven, very tribal us vs them, very patriarchal, somewhat health and ecological based, and some about competition with exiting religions 5K+ years ago, like with crossdress priests. Anyway, Jesus told his disciples that they and other followers of his way weren't bound by the old laws.

As to the nature of a god/goddess/godhead/intelligence of the universe or galaxy or solar system or planet, I think there probably is one and it is hubris for humyns to think that they know enough to rule out er existence. Since I was small, I disliked the contradiction of an all loving god who could "separate the wheat from the chaff and the sheep from the goats" and "send souls to hell". I thought a Buddhist idea of karma and multiple cyclic lives was more reasonable. I also think that the 'godhead' might be able to do all kinds of things, and can be prayed to and possibly get an intervention, but I don't think this god figure generally cares about individual humyns. E probably cares about continuing life on Earth and the intelligence of Earth, etc. may cause life to tend toward intelligence.

But it's humyn vanity that says we are in God's image. There is probably other intelligent life in the cosmos and besides looking and being structurally different, their intelligence/mind is probably different. Like, it seems a silly idea that God is beyond our understanding, comprehension. etc., but that our intelligence is similar, like in er image. Our brains have evolved to move our body, sense the world in various ways, find food, escape or fight threats of predation, compete with other humyns for food, status, reproductive issues, shelter, etc. and yet live in family or larger groups, cooperate and practice altruism. Some immortal being has no need to reproduce, might not have other such beings to interact with, has no need for flight or fight or jealousy, sloth, etc. - 7 deadly sins, might live in some other universe or in higher level dimensions so time is just another dimension to see or move back and forth on. This being could not be the product of (planet life) evolution (can't happen without reproduction and death of individuals) so wouldn't have any features/organs/senses/tissues similar to planetary, mortal life. Therefor E would not have a brain like ours or anything that could be thought of as a brain. Why would it's thinking be anything like ours or understandable to our animal evolved brains?

Anyway......

Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee

Struggling

Hello Dorothy,

You raise an interesting point, and I’m pleased to see all the cogent and thoughtful responses you have received. I thought I’d put my oar in these waters.

If we were to ask the question, did a god, super-being or whatever create the universe in which we find ourselves, the answer is a resounding, ‘No.’ That is, after five or six centuries of investigations unlimited by religions, governments, politics or other human activities, we are on the verge of beginning to understand what this universe is, how it formed, and its ultimate fate. We have slowly and carefully amassed sufficient information that we can begin to consider a single explanation for the universe and everything within it. This explanation fulfills the requirements of scientific fact, that which we in the sciences call a Theory.

Before you equate the scientific term Theory with your word theory, let me explain what is meant by the technical term. In the sciences, a Theory performs four functions simultaneously. It must perform them all at the same time, or it is not a Theory. First, it must explain the phenomena within the scope of the Theory. Second, it must accurately predict phenomena within the scope of the Theory. Third, it must provide an environment in which exploration, analysis and experimentation can occur within the phenomenological scope of the Theory. And finally, it must be useful in creating modifications of phenomena within the scope of the Theory in a real and predictable manner. So, the term Theory as used in the sciences is equivalent to your word Fact.

Now, let’s turn to humans. Humans are built to believe. This phenomenon has been well studied. Humans create belief systems in their childhood, from the ages of roughly 4 to 6 years of age until they are pre-teens. These belief systems are based on best guesses, things parents tell them, things people of authority tell them, things they read about or hear about in school, at religious gatherings, events, or at play.

These early childhood beliefs are strongly held. Even if a child is taught that these beliefs are incorrect, the child will retain them into adulthood. As adults, the beliefs learned in childhood will continue to affect adult’s thoughts and emotions. Since humans are built to react with their emotions, rather than with their intellect, then their actions and activities are directed by the beliefs developed in early childhood.

Another strong emotion is that of belonging. As a small child we are handed from mother to father to sisters and brothers and aunts and uncles and friends and persons close to the family. It is in this stage of our lives when we learn ‘Us’ and ‘Them.’ Throughout childhood and into adulthood, we retain a strong sense of the greater family unit. If this sense of family is threatened, we humans will respond emotionally, often either fighting to retain it or withdrawing emotionally from the threatening situation. This is why shunning is such a strong punishment. The separation from family and friends causes extreme emotional trauma.

So, if you come from a family that is even moderately close, and that family is religiously oriented, then you will treat a threat to your family’s religion as an attack on your family. You will either defend your family, or withdrawing emotionally from the situation. Either way, this is not a situation that is supportive of you, the individual, or your extended family. You will attempt to resolve this situation, using whatever tools area available to you.

Unfortunately gender dysphoria, or whatever else you wish to call it, is strongly proscribed by most religions. By ‘coming out’ you place yourself at odds with whatever belief system espoused by your family’s religion. They are now caught in the same dilemma as you are. They must choose between you and the extended family including their commonly shared belief system, which you are confronting. Unfortunately, in too many instances, the extended family and their shared belief system wins ... even though it can be demonstrated that the religious tenets that have been violated are invalid.

Thus, you are caught between the reality of the universe and the very foundations of you as a person. You are your belief systems. The universe exists. Perhaps, for the first time in your life, you have an opportunity to consider the beliefs, understandings, and attitudes that are you. You have the chance to hold your entire being up to the cold hard light of the stars, and reconsider who and what you are.

This is a most dangerous time for you. Everything you’ve ever known, or felt, or believed is falling down all around you. You don’t know where to turn, who to trust, or how to proceed. Obviously, you need professional assistance to help guide you through this trying time in your life. Your goal is to find the real you, which has been hidden within the shell you have presented to the world throughout your life. You are breaking out of that shell, entering the next phase of your life. Some of what is you is wrong, but most of you is just fine. You’ve just got to take the time to sort it all out.

It’s so easily said ...”Sort it all out.” Yet, it is difficult to do. However, if you have the strength and the courage to persevere, you will find who you were meant to be. Then, perhaps you can begin to rebuild other aspects of your life.

Best of all things, Dorothy. Our thoughts and our love go with you.

Red MacDonald

I wish you well

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and hope that you find some resolution that works for you.

In my case that only happened when I stopped believing in sky fairies and decided what I could control in my life was my responsibility. Instead of overwhelming me I found it empowering. I might not be able to control what happened outside of me, but I could how I responded to it. Sometimes that is difficult because of all the previous conditioners we've had, but it gets easier with practice. It might all be existentialism, but it works for me. I accept that others have the right to believe what they want but just wish they'd stop trying to 'bring me back into the fold' of their delusions.

Angharad

Uuuhm correction Dot.

You ARE Transgendered, not from choice or conviction but from birth. This you cannot change for it is what you ARE.

You were not born a christian or any other faith, you were taught to become religious by exposure to others and their ideas. Then you were probably subjected to any number of assorted cult inductions to reinforce your conditioning. Baptism or christening or circumcision or just about anything else.

You know you cannot change what you are but you can certainly change what you believe. Take control of your own life by making what you believe congruent with what you are. If any faith refuses to be congruent with your reality it will only damage you if you strive to embrace it.

Be brave, be firm and don't be bullied by any external agencies. The longest journey is the journey inwards.

Bev.

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