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I have been a member at Big Closet Topshelf for exactly four years today. I find it ironic that I just removed all my stories and want to cancel my account on this day and didn't even realize what it was. To all of you I want to say have a good life even those of you who identify as Transgender. Personally I'm just sick of the Whole Transgender thing and feeling like I'm being swallowed up by it against my will. I honestly could care less if someone chooses to call themselves Transgender but I have to say its a label I don't want hung on me so I've chosen to remove myself from anything or anyone that thinks its okay to label me Transgender. All of my life I've felt that I was female and now thankfully I can say that I'm living my life as I should I don't want or need another label or hurdle to have to overcome and that is what I see transgender as.
Again I wish all of you a good life,
Lisa
Erin I'd like to thank you and all the authors that have given me some great memories. While I am leaving here I do believe your site provides a valuable service to some people.
If you could please end my account it would be greatly appreciated.

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Okay, I agree with you

Angharad's picture

I'm not transgender, transsexual or whatever - I'm female and have documents to prove it. I don't like labels either and say so ad nauseum, but to remove my stories - what would that prove? I could say but I'd embarrass my cats.

This real life, people attach labels to others and to themselves, it's how we cope and remember female is another label, and my experience is it tends to come with a second class stamp, hence my feministic attitude.

I wish you well, some of us will still be here when you come back, providing a service to others, because we don't need it ourselves.

Angharad

Angharad

Agreed x 2

Like Angharad, I do not go trooping about with a scarlet 'T' tattooed to my forehead or even on my heart. When I meet people, the first words that pop out of my mouth are not, "Hi, I'm trans______, (fill in the blank).

I am female, one who had an odd background. I move through the world and associate with people I work with and come across as a female without anyone outside my primary care physician and immediate family knowing about that most interesting background. I have all the legally obtained documents in the world to include a concealed carry permit and a military physical I was ordered to take shortly after 9/11 when recalled verifying I am female. (Note: Since transgender is considered a mental disorder according to DSM IV, the Army medical board gave me a no go, so sleep safely tonight America).

Any who, back to the issue at hand. The time I spend here reading a few of the decent stories or contributing my own to the mix is purely entertainment on my part. It does not influence my personal self image or the way I conduct myself once I click off this site and get on with my life. When I started out, I was very active in the transgender community. I made many friends and did some good work for the community at a time when IFGE and other organizations like it had a purpose and focus. When I plunged head long into my own transition, I left the community in order to sort my life out. In doing so I turned my back on some really great friends. After 14 years I finally reached out to them and, in a small way became active in the community once more, not as an advocate or 'grunt' as before but as a writer.

Why, you may ask if things were going so swimmingly? Because being TG is part of me, just like my childhood, my college years and my time with the colors. To forsake that part of me that was so important to making me who I am today would be akin to lopping off my right arm. While I can understand the logic of 'Not Transgender's' arguement, I cannot accept the wisdom. As the old song says, "We are what we are."

To 'Not Transgender', I say Via con Dios. I do wish you the best in all you do.

Nancy Cole

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"You may be what you resolve to be."

T.J. Jackson

I am me and I've burned bridges

First and foremost I am me the woman I grew up to be. I've never liked labels and absolutely don't give them out.
In this life style we sometimes purge what we think is holdiong us back from being human. I am human and I like communicating with people who are like minded.
I pulled all of my stories and have regretted doing so.
Put your stories back, you are and author( oh oh a label) and a writer that at one time thought it necessary to share you thoughts with others.
Leave a legacy of who you are don't burn bridges.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

I too...

I too think the term "sucks" (to use a technical term). My reasons may, or may not be the same as anyone else's reasons. That's just it they're mine.

The term doesn't describe what I feel. It doesn't describe what I'm going through. And, it "feels" to me like some folks have intentionally made the term into something larger and less easy to define. (If you look at the GLAAD media guide, Transgender includes transsexual, transvestite/cross dresser, gender queer, (etc.)...) Sometimes I'm not too upset by the attempt to be "inclusive" here - but, most of the time, it feels more like the term is used to push us all into a "ghetto". One major effect, on those trying to get rights protections (here in the US) for us, is that the message becomes VERY confused. I believe most of us that fall in that "umbrella" use of Transgender would agree that our needs are different. (For example, the few cross dressers I've talked with - personally - have absolutely NO desire or need to medically alter their bodies. They're quite happy being Men or Women.)

But, back to what I said at first - that the term doesn't "feel" right. My gender doesn't feel - to me like it's beyond or across genders (or sexes). But, this is a semantics game. I've not been able to come up with a single word, or even two or three, that adequately describe what I am as a person. The word IS important... Because we, as humans, seem to have a need for labels. But, they seem to limit us as well.

Back to what I meant to write... I wish you well wherever you end up. I wish you'd take a less drastic move to sever your connections with this site. I agree that it provides a valuable service. Every time an author pulls material (and I've done this as well). I think it lessens the site. That material is no longer available for people to read.

I wish you well in your life. As you took so much time to write (yes, I know it takes time) I hope you find a way to continue and a way to share what you write with others.

Best wishes,
Anne

Horses for courses

(Just in case you're returning to read the comments a final time before leaving this site forever)

I'd imagine the vast majority of those here who were born with a different phenotype to their true gender would regard themselves as females (albeit with a plumbing problem, that some have been able to fix), so you're not alone in that regard.

On the one hand, I can understand your argument that now you've had your plumbing problem fixed, you wish to be regarded as female, pure and simple, without any of the 'baggage' of labels indicating you weren't always regarded by society as female.

On the other hand, there are many on this site, who, while identifying themselves purely as female, still feel they have something to offer to the community - both those who've completed their path, those en-route, and those who (for various reasons) can only let their 'inner self' express itself here.

It's all a case of 'horses for courses' - different people have different attitudes. However, considering many on this site are on a similar path to that you've taken, I personally think it would be a shame to leave this community entirely. Sure, you've got better things to do with your time than spend hours each evening here, but there's nothing wrong with popping by occasionally to see how everyone's doing, (if you hadn't deleted your stories) see if they were still attracting readers / comments, and provide occasional updates (even if only to say "Yes, there is life after 'the op'!").

Also bear in mind this community is wider than those who have direct experience of the "T" labels - we've also got friends / relatives of those, plus a handful that are relatively happy in their assigned gender, didn't know anyone associated with the "T" labels before arriving here, but nonetheless are open-minded enough to support and encourage human diversity, form friendships with the others in this community, read / comment on everyone's stories / blog posts, and maybe even contribute something of their own.

 

Bike Resources

There are 10 kinds of people in the world - those who understand binary and those who don't...

As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!

For me it is shared history

I mean it is like people who go to unit reunions after wars and stuff. Now everybody knows being a soldier does not define who you are but it is an experience you go through and no matter what the truth of the matter is you had a change of gender. That will be in all of our realities forever and ever. Amen. What you are expressing is the rationale to go stealth and pretend it has never happened; don't tell boyfriends, husbands if you try to start a relationship. Oh and what when you need to produce a history of pictures of when you where a child, would strange not being able to unless one fabricates it. Also, reality is if you don't have a boyfriend or husband or had a sigmoid colon based vagina or am lucky to have sufficient intersexing, you will be reminded of it when you have to dilate. It sure reminds me I tell you.

Mttfh has said it so well. To each their own. So I can only add that at the end of the day now as when I was a kid. One can just be one's self, certainly when I was a child, I focused more on friends and interests and being trans was background, it did not always dominate my thoughts.

I wish you luck in and I hope you find the peace you are searching for.

Kim

I am not Transgender either...

And in the last months, my interest in that scene has waned a lot. I now come here to read authors who I like, and support those I can.

Much peace and best wishes

Gwen

I detest the transgender

I detest the transgender label. It was made up initially by Virginia Prince to replace the transvestite label when she started the Society for The Second Self, or TriEss. It was meant to apply to heterosexual crossdressers, married, usually with kids, that liked to express their "feminine side". It is interesting that Ms. Prince lived the latter part of her life presenting as female full time, though she always denied she was TS (another label).

However, the term was coopted by the GLB movement, primarily by the HRC, to cover all gender variant people in a blatant attempt to obtain a larger membership for donations and political purposes. Sadly, even the professional psych. and social sciences community latched onto the term in an ill defined way, but often use it to mean primarily transsexuals. It has been accepted by the government, again primarily to define "sex change people", and it appears unlikely to be changed. It is an albatross around many people's neck, and affects medical care, social security, and passport applications, not to mention employment.

It is GID (Gender Identity Disorder) that is listed as a disorder in the DSM-4. Gender Dysphoria is not, nor is the term transgender used as anything other than a list of synonyms for gender variance, as of 1994. The soon to be publshed DSM-5 no longer lists GID, using instead Gender Incongruence (but still with the same medical insurance codes so WTF) and does have a "get out clause" saying that post ops are no longer considered disordered, thereby accepting the concept that a medical procedure can cure a "mental disorder", at least in principle. That there are so many people who still suffer in many ways from the social/self labeling is pretty much ignored.

Who you are is defined by you, the way you live your life, and present yourself. Or should be. There is no need to ever allow yourself to be defined in a way you do not want to be (unless you are still having to play the "Standards of Care" game to get surgery). If you let a word continue to define you after transition and surgery, then maybe you need to talk it out with someone who can help you see beyond it.

I am torn between wanting to try to help make the path easier for others and chucking it all and going elsewhere. Since I am torn, I therefore moderate or facilitate a support group for people who are just getting started, and they can continue into surgery and beyond if they wish. I also participate in an online forum for the same reason, and because some of the people on the forum have become on-line friends that I care about, I stay even as a post-op. I come here to read some of the stories by authors I have come to enjoy, and have recommended the site to others who kinda need to get the idea they can survive all the hurt that can come with being TS.

I do sometimes wonder if it wouldn't be easier on me to let that all go and just be, but as has been said, I also have a life history that involves many accepting people who are friends, and letting go completely of them is something I see as diminishing me. It has been harder to make new friends outside of the support group and my existing circle of old friends, and since I am not much of a "joiner" it is hard to meet new people at my age. And I have family that are more or less accepting and who need me, an aged (91) mother in a nursing home with dementia, blind, mostly deaf, confined to a wheelchair, who could be subject to some abuse or be ignored if I were not active in her advocacy. And a sister, dying slowly and agonizingly from cancer, to visit and do what I can to help her.

Still, I do not see myself as a trans- anything. I am me, a woman with an unusual but not unique medical history.

CaroL

CaroL

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CaroL,

I would like to respectfully disagree with your statement:

> the transgender label. It was made up initially by Virginia Prince to replace the transvestite label when she started the Society for The Second Self, or TriEss. It was meant to apply to heterosexual crossdressers, married, usually with kids, that liked to express their "feminine side". It is interesting that Ms. Prince lived the latter part of her life presenting as female full time, though she always denied she was TS.

I was around at the time this term came into use, and IIRC, Virginia didn't claim to have coined it, she adopted it from another person who used it to differentiate hirself - a person who cross-lived full time - from "ordinary" crossdressers (Virginia's preferred term for those who cross-dressed part-time). In the language of the time (early to mid 1970's) TG was one thing and TS was something else entirely - and CD's had more in common with the former.

The generalization of the word into an all-inclusive term is what happens when one group allows another group, with a totally different (and often hostile) agenda, to define them. Allowing an organization such as GLAAD to high-jack the term for their own purposes did no favors to the crossdressors or the cross-livers.

Deni
(a person who doesn't hate the term "transgendered", only its current misuse.)

Pulling away

Ole Ulfson's picture

Sounds like you're rejecting your past (and reality). You can't hide from yourself. But I wish you the best for the rest of your life.

Ole

We are each exactly as God made us. God does not make mistakes!

Gender rights are the new civil rights!

Labels

Labels are seldom self-assigned, rather they are put on you by others. I've been called a bitch, while I would prefer moody. I've been called a dumb blonde too often to count, yes I'm a blonde but many times it is a case of having different interests than the other person that results in the "dumb" label being applied to me.

The point is, whatever labels you choose to apply to yourself, other people are going to choose their own labels, and you ave no control over that. If you are going to waste a lot of time being upset by labels you will never be happy.

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"Girls are like pianos, when they're not upright they're grand!" Benny Hill

Karen J.


"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin

Not such a dumb blonde after all...

laika's picture

:)

I like that. Glad you're around, Karen.
(I babbled my views on the transgender label
at Lisa's previous blog & am too lazy to repeat them,
especially having so little interest in changing anyone's opinions
to have 'em correspond with my own these days. Think I'll watch cartoons...)
~~hugs, Veronica

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We now return to our regular programming:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qTl00248Z48
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Admirably summed up

I could say 'cancer survivor*' and it would be true, but it isn't who I am. That comment from Karen: people will pick their own labels for you regardless. I just refer to myself as 'female', but my history will be ever there.

*Testicular, at the age of 24. Oh the irony. I did ask if they did BOGOF....

Lumpers and Splitters, Gender and Trans

In anthropology, so the tale goes, there are 'lumpers' who put all the cultures that share even one or two traits all into one big 'lump.' Everyone in Europe is part of the 'European' culture. Everyone who ever lived anywhere near the western Pacific is/was/will be part of the 'Oceania' culture. The lumper anthropologists write papers about large groups and their similarities.

'Splitters' classify cultures by their different traits. People who live in *east* Manhattan consume 23% more bagels (on average) for breakfast than *west* Manhattanites. Therefore, they are culturally different. The splitters write papers about small groups and their differences.

Both lumpers and splitters know that the many, many peoples and cultures they describe are made of individuals. That all those people are part of larger and smaller groups, ones they create for themselves and that their families, friends and neighbours help create.
The lumpers just feel better if they have fewer filing folders to hold the same number of learned papers.

Transgender is just a term the lumpers among us use to group all the many variations and definitions of 'other than clearly, totally, unchangingly male or female in appearance, self-definition and presentation.'

Woman is also a term lumpers use.

Michelle

P.S.

I'm trans- meaning differently- gendered. I'm a woman. I was labeled and raised a boy who liked girls' clothing and things by loving parents. I was a boy and a young man by almost all the definitions of the words. I called myself those things.
I'm proud of many of the things I've done. I'm happy I'm a woman today. I'm not proud that I survived, that's silly. I'm happy I'm here.

But I'm not. Ever. going to deny that I was, am and will always be in part the boy and young man I was... at least a bit.

That's complicated, but it's also why I like the term transgendered. It's a great, big, loose, imprecise term that lumps a lot of lovely people together, both for the general public, and for us.

I like being in a big, fat file-folder with people who understand me. The 'Transgender' file.

P.P.S.
(Even if the bagel-eating and European and ocean-going - all the hundreds of real, different, wonderful - groups in there with me might not realize that *I* at least, see us as one, big, lumpy group. That I'm proud of.)

I Guess Those Terms Were Created

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PICT0013_1_0.jpg by the Psychiatric community to explain to other people(Family members and others) who don't really understand what it is to be this way because their Gender Identity and sex organs match. We have always known who we were and we shouldn't allow the labels others put on us to define who we are. I REALLY , REALLY REALLY hate the term "Sissy" to describe us too. It is equivalent to the "N" word to describe African Americans and I refuse to read any story that features this word.I do understand that bigots use this term to describe people, but I do not like it when an author openly uses that as a description for someone like it is acceptable to do so. It offends so many people who were called that in school. I won't allow anyone to define using that either. I do think that we should pass our knowledge and experience on to others. I don't agree that we should withdraw from the community just because we have achieved our goal. The younger generation is dealing with an environment that has gotten better for people who deal with this, but we all know there are plenty of places where bigotry still exists.We need to be an example to them that it does get better. Just be yourself and don't worry about what other people think you should be. People have forced us to be something we aren't for a long time. You have a lot of people who think you are pretty talented and it is sad that you no longer feel the need to share that with the world. There is a saying "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent" I really don't care what people may think, I am a woman and I am proud of it. Please reconsider that. I view my work as a way to help others by making them think about some things they might not have considered before. I think maybe just maybe someone might read something I have written and it might change their life for the better. I do wish you well in whatever you do, but I am really sad to see you go.

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No comment?

I can't comment upon labels or transgenderism because my sexuality is fluid, moving like very cold (almost frozen)syrup. I still haven't even given myself a gender label so there's no hope of anybody else doing so and I'm secretly glad of that, because it makes me feel less vulnerable to being labelled incorrectly and thus treated inappropriately.

I'm slightly saddened that you've chosen to remove your stories because that's a part of you that shall always serve to remind others of you even if you don't want to be reminded of them. Life is very much a two way street even without labels or street names. I feel that 'pulling your stories' is a mistake on your part but of course it's entirely your call.

I wonder if you'll one day find a reason or even a need to drop by and give us a metaphorical call.

It always saddens me when girls or boys or 'inbetweenies' finally get their plumbing right as they need it, then choose to drop all connections with the 'trans' communities. I feel they are in some small part trying to cleanse themselves of what ever stigma attached itself to their previous circumstances both in their own minds and in their perceptions of others who appeared to judge them; often harshly.
Something is lost both from the leavers and the left. Parting thus can be such sweet sorrow.

We'll miss you.

I can only wish you good luck and happiness in your future.

Cheerio and hugs.

Beverly.

Growing old disgracefully.

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I Agree Beverly

jengrl's picture

PICT0013_1_0.jpg To me it feels like that they are saying to the community that "Nah, Nah, Nah Nah Nah,I'm so much better than you are, because I have had my surgery and you are now less of a person since you don't" There are some of us on here that are good friends with each other, but we have never met face to face and most probably won't. It feels like these people who want to fade into the woodwork are afraid we will pass them on the street and point at them and shout to the world who they used to be. I guess they are ashamed in a lot of ways that they used to be caught in between and they are willing to abandon old friends to protect themselves. It's sad.

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Account deletion

erin's picture

If I delete your account, all the great commentary on this thread will disappear. I don't want to do that. You already deleted stories without communicating with me, I could have simply unpubbed them. I understand the desire to take irrevocable action.

You may be rejecting the community here but the community is not rejecting you. You may feel you have graduated or become naturalized in a new country but the members here have things they want to say about your leavetaking.

All the comments made on all your stories are gone, that is your right; you own the stories, you own the comments.

Curiously, and this is why I keep blogs separate from fiction, I own the rights to comments on blogs and forum posts. It's a legal nicety tied up in expectation of privacy and copyrights. I don't own your blog, that's yours, but I do own the right to display the comments made on the blog.

I will "denature" your account, removing its connection to you, change the name to Was Transgender and summarize your blog post above so that the comments have context. I will do those things in the next few days to give you time to communicate with me if this is not your desire.

Otherwise, goodbye, good luck and may your life be challenging and rewarding in the future you have chosen. And remember, please, that you still have friends in the "old country" that wish you well.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

I'm in the same place ...

I just don't feel a need to erase the past. There may yet be a few who will enjoy my stories and more power to them. I think the most gracious exit is the quiet one. Besides, I may have inspiration in the future.

Much peace

Gwendolyn

An interesting blog!!

Pamreed's picture

Thank you Erin for preserving this blog. Being one who is past the trans part of her life I found the statements
here interesting. That said I am still very active in the struggle for rights for people of our community.
I have a history of accomplishments and family that I wish to hold onto. So that precludes going stealth. Oh! I can
understand a persons desire to separate themselves from their history. It will make their life simpler. But I came
out of one closet and have no desire to go into another one. It was such a relief to remove the burden of hiding
who I was! To go back to living in fear of someone finding out my secret again would be unbearable for me. I don't
mean I go around telling everyone I am trans, but if someone becomes a friend or some other form of relationship I
share my history. This serves not only the purpose of relieving me of worrying about being discovered but also serves
to show others that hey being trans isn't something weird or strange. It helps to educate the public and make it easier
for those to come. Still I respect "Was Transgender"'s right to live their life as they wish and hope they find happiness!!

Pamela

"how many cares one loses when one decides not to be
something, but someone" Coco Chanel

I am transgender

I will probably never get to be fully female, that's just reality. And even if I could, I would still be a member of this community, because of the history and friends I have made here.

Dorothycolleen

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So sad you are leaving, Lisa but it is your choice to make

If leaving helps bring you peace, so be it and I am happy for you.

I will miss your writing, you have talent. I will miss your replies to my comments. You were always a jot to read, blogs, stories and replies to comments.

The loss of anyone in a group diminishes it. Almost a universal truth.

BC is less for your absence.

Please consider republishing your works, perhaps under a pseudonym if the memoires of your past it might bring up are not too painful.

John in Wauwatosa

John in Wauwatosa

What this is

It seems to me that this was, essentially, the social equivalent of a dramatic suicide note, intended not so much to engage in (or truly disengage from) a discussion or discourse about the topic of "Transgender" as a label, but rather as a way of making a bid to have, in this person's mind at least, the last word in one they felt had turned "unfairly" against them, and, especially, through the removal of stories and such a way of punishing those who had thwarted them.

As such, it seems rather an immature way of dealing with things. *shrug* Oh, well. *goes on with her life*

-Liz

Successor to the LToC

-Liz

Successor to the LToC
Formerly known as "momonoimoto"

I think you've missed the point.

She did engage in a discussion on transgender. A lot of people disagreed with her and many of them in a passive aggressive and offensive manner. I've seen many authors leave in a dramatic way, in some sort of bid for attention, and it just causes me to do a great big "eye roll". I don't really agree that this was the case here.

I think the idea here was to make a point, and in my opinion, a good one. She is of the opinion that the "community" doesn't represent her interests as a woman and therefore she sees little need to stay within the community. Rather than disappearing in a poof of smoke she bid her ado's publicly. Since she doesn't want the "transgender label hung on her" she's decided it best to delete all her association with that term. This included her stories and past interactions on this website.

Perhaps her wording wasn't the best. "I'm sick of the whole transgender thing" sounded a bit rude, to be honest I actually thought this was an internet troll at first. But essentially it came down to no longer agreeing to abide by a label she never wanted in the first place.

A lot of people would view her as a "traitor" perhaps. Similar in fashion to a lesbian who doesn't identify with the LGB community or a woman who doesn't identify with feminism. I've seen such comments before, on her previous post and on this one, and quite frankly I see no reason to view leaving in such a way. Let her do her own thing. Don't get offended. Don't get passive aggressive.

I think Erin handled this very well. She has a great policy and she responded very diplomatically. This post did provoke some great discussion and in the end I think that's all that matters.

We all dislike being labeled.

WebDeb's picture

It is a sad fact that society feels a need to keep everything in tidy little boxes in order to avoid confusion although it deprives them of understanding.

I dislike all terms that supposedly apply to me due to medical beliefs. I was a girl born with a birth defect which made them make a mistake and declared me to be a boy. They were rather presumptious in my opinion. They assumed too much but I know who and what I am.

I seem to recall a case in the US when an overweight patient tried to sue the clinician for advising said patient that he/she was obese. This was taken as an insult although it was the proper medical term.

Sometimes words originaly intended to mean well are often used out of context to demean people hence the need to find new words to describe the conditions. I find Gender Dysphoria quite acceptable as it allows scope for an individual to explain where they are within a broad spectrum.

Anyway back to this blog. Do I detect a bit of pre/post op snobbery here?