After seeing and hearing so much hate and gloating on the TV and radio (mostly from women), I'm wondering how they think they will enforce this ruling.
I understand they think it is unfair to female athletes,. I understand that it will stop fully intact perverts going into open female changing rooms exposing themselves and claiming to be trans. Or sick rapist claiming to be trans trying to get into female prisons. Some idiots were using trans as a shield to their disgusting behavior. It was probably things like this that created such a backlash.
BUT what about "real" trans women and trans men. Especially when they have had "full" surgery? Does that now mean a trans man with a constructed penis will have to go into a female changing room? A trans woman with breasts and a vagina will now have to use male changing rooms?
Even a simple question on toilets (bathrooms for those in the USA) . Will women be happy a trans man with a beard following them into the "ladies"? But honestly how would you know if a person is trans in so many cases? Will there be a DNA test on the door? This will lead to so many tall and masculine women getting called out. It is going to need a genius to sort the details out.
I'm a guy 99.5% of the time, and I feel so sorry for you trans women in the UK Your already hard lives will probably get harder. .
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Yup
Doesn't help that the Head of the Equality Quango is so much of a Transphobe.
She has already said that they will pursue NHS Trusts who allow Trans women into "female" wards. Other people on here have suggested that we should be asked to wear a Yellow Star of David, or possibly a Pink Triangle, so that people can tell who we are.
I believe that the popular term is "Untermensch". Obviously the Labour Party is leaping to our defense. Oh no, that didn't happen did it.
The so called Supreme Court said that to take notice of those overpaid idiots of psychiatrists who have spent literally months determining which of us deserve a Gender Recognition Certificate, that would create a two tier system. That wouldn't be fair. So instead, level us all down to the bottom of the pile.
Perhaps one of Their Honours might have considered the differences between a pre and post surgery trans lady, but thought that that was unfair too. After all, we are all a lower form of life.
Do we have friends? Do we have people who will speak up for us? A few Green MPs? Oh no, they can't make their mind up. The Liberal Democrats? Nah, not enough votes in it.
No Ladies, it is just us.
Nobody loves us
Everybody hates us
I think I'll go and eat worms
One day, long long in the future, all of this stupidity will be looked at and people will sigh. People will say, how could they? What possessed them? Wasn't that the same time that Convict Trump led the USA?
Until that time, ladies and gentlemen, I say, here we are, here we stand. We are who we are. We stand together, with any brave soul who is fool enough to stand in support. We shall lose, but in the end we shall overcome.
Lucy xx
"Lately it occurs to me..
what a long strange trip its been."
Not out of the realm
of possibility:
Other people on here have suggested that we should be asked to wear a Yellow Star of David, or possibly a Pink Triangle, so that people can tell who we are.
In the 1990's, Pat Robertson, Telelevangelist and founder of CBN and Regent University, suggested that the above recommendation should be a mandatory requirement in the USA.
Love, Andrea Lena
Pink triangle
The pink triangle was used by the Nazis to identify their prisoners as homosexual men. And the black triangle was used to identify the so-called asocial or people unfit for society. The yellow triangle was for any mixed race person, or for people married to a non-arian. And the dual yellow triangles was the infamous identification for Jews.
I have heard almost no
I have heard almost no support for trans women in the media. It is mainly about trans women. I saw the interview with the Head of the Equality. She was hinting that a Gender Recognition Certificate would be virtually worthless. What I don't understand is that so many women complain how hard it is to be a woman, seem to want to defend what it is to be perceived as one.
All the arguments against have used the extreme examples of people using being trans as an excuse for bad behavior. Not the 99% that just want to get on with their lives and blend in.
Leeanna
Shaky Situation
Even being post op and living as a woman 100% of the time... AND even being XXY genetically, it is still an uncertain situation. I do my best to never use a bathroom outside my apartment. Wearing "Depends" when out helps somewhat. The odds are against us.
Gwen Brown
And yet...
I have yet to see a single definiton of "Biological sex". I have no idea what this is or even what other people think it is.
I suppose it must be "What the doctor/midwife told your parents when you were born", and most of the time that would be fairly accurate - so far as physical appearance is concerned. But we all know there are plenty of cases where what is physically apparent is not the whole reality for that baby.
They have all got themselves confused by words like "sex" and "gender" and rent-a-mob have come out of the woodwork hoping to make it all even more confusing. I bet a large percentage of the "trans lobby" are actually enemies acting under false pretences, stirring the pot.
What the powers-that-be should be thinking is in terms of current physicality. Basically, what matters is what is between your legs. If you have a vagina, no matter how you came by it, you are at exactly the same risk of sexual assualt by someone with a penis as any other person with a vagina. If you have a penis, however you came by it, you present the same risk to someone with a vagina as any other person with a penis.
Doing things that way would sort out the current confusion about who searches who, what prison anyone should go to and which hospital ward they should be admitted to.
Penny
Privy Council
I'm no longer sure whether the Privy Council outranks the Supreme Court but it was always the instrument of Final Appeal throughout the Commonwealth.
Can this decision regarding the status (or lack thereof) of transwomen be appealed to the Privy Council? I know this has limited chance of success as the SC judges make up part of the Council, but surely it's worth a try.
In Australia our Commissioner for Sex Discrimination has already come out opposing the Supreme Court decision, saying it is not Law in Australia and that human rights are for everybody.
It's interesting that they refused evidence
From any transgender person or scientist, one of the tg people is a judge and several others are barristers and no medical experts either. It looks very much like a stitch-up which is supported by the rightwing press. I have written several letters to newspapers but they have published none We can only hope the Human rights court overturns it, because human rights have been affected as well as the Gender certificate. It is a coup but we're so insignificant no looks to be coming forward to state how badly biased the court was and none of the scientific evidence is being looked at. The Equalities Commission head sounds like a TERF and the NHS head is gay evangelical Christian who is pretending he's not, so he's a fuck up and of course the radical feminists are supported by a very wealthy author, who writes rubbish.
I shall never vote Labour again, they have sold us down the river. They seem to be trying to eradicate us like in the States. We live in very dark times and I would back some sort of revolution, a peaceful one but one that sacked those judges and appointed those with functioning brain cells.
Angharad
There are quite a few letters ...
... in this morning's 'paper' Guardian pointing out the potential problems for TG people of any sex/gender. I think the sport problem is what spurred the SC decision quite a lot. But, in reality it affects a trivial number of cases.
I usually vote Labour but they seem to be quite ineffective this time but they did have a serious (Truss initiated) mess to sort out (it cost us £600 in winter fuel subsidies as we're both the wrong side of 80 :) ). Actually with the first past the post system we have I actually vote against the Tories but I suspect the Reform far right lot will be the main threat in the local elections coming shortly. If we had proportional representation I'd vote Green along with my wife, who's been a member since it was the Ecological Party back when Big Ben was a wrist watch :)
Competitive sports
Disclosure: I have never been athletic, but rather a brainiac. I have also suffered a lot of abuse, bullying and mobbing from the sports jocks. Though I was an avid cyclist in my younger years, I still preferred intellectual exercise to physical exercise. I am also unable to understand or grasp the [almost religious] fanaticism attached to professional and amateur competitive sports.
Ever since I learned in the early 2000s how Renée Richards bulled into professional competitive sports with the help of lawsuits, I had a very bad gut feeling that such insistence on gender recognition could seriously backfire on the trans-community as a whole. This gut feeling was reinforced by several very public transitions of professional athletes and the resulting controversies.
I also remember remember several reports and studies back in secondary school in the 1980s about the female olympic athletes specifically from East Germany and the Soviet Union that looked more like males than females. And apparently communist athletes used various male hormones to boost the performance of their female athletes. These discoveries resulted in much stricter doping controls.
If you are a transitioning athlete, then stay to hell out of competitive sports!!! I have absolutely no problem if you want to compete against yourself. But stay away from public competitions, be they professional or amateur. There is just too much religious fanaticism involved with competitive sports.
And I firmly believe that a huge part of the current backlash against transgender rights originates from the competitive sports scene.
But as they say in backing: It just takes a little bit of yeast to ferment the whole batch of flour. In the same way, just a few overly ambitious athletes will spoil the acceptance of the whole community.
You are so right
Competitive sports was always the wrong battle. I stopped competing when I started to transition and never tried to go back as I had no doubt about the reaction - and I agreed with it. The minute we start taking anything away from women - like trophies and team places - that's just wrong. Both strategically and morally. It is also the prime stick Trump has used to beat our american friends with, and it's a self inflicted problem created by those athletes.
Self Certification is also a problem. Transitioning needs to be at least a bit difficult so that we have to demonstrate some commitment so that we can't be accused of taking it lightly "Oh, I'm a woman now and I demand all the rights that go with it".
I have just written to my MP
Asking him to call for an investigation into the Supreme Court's ruling and the effect it will have on 9000 bearers of the GRP certificate. At least it has been received whether he will see it will depend upon his staff.
Angharad
A Small Ray of Hope
- Lord Sumption, former Master of the Rolls*
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/apr/18/ruling-on-woma...
So it is now harder to stop bigots, but the law still does not require any organisation to be bigotted.
*ie he used to be the next-to-top judge in England and Wales.
Unfortunately..
Baroness Faulkner, head of the Equality Commission, has publicly said that she will "pursue" any NHS Trust which does not change its policy to one which excludes trans women from female wards.
I think it fair to describe her as the "bigot in chief".
Lucy x
"Lately it occurs to me..
what a long strange trip its been."
Equality for who?
Or is it whom? Certainly not equality for us. How can the "Equality and Human Rights Commission" be so selective and exclude us?
I think we must assume
that she doesn't regard us as "human".
Sadly, by the looks of it, a view shared by a significant number of people.
It was encouraging to see that several Labour MPs , including at least one minister, described those comments as "appalling" (three cheers for Steve Race MP for Exeter) and are planning to do something to offer us some support.
Lucy xx
"Lately it occurs to me..
what a long strange trip its been."