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So... found this link after I got a email from Bn, Since I own a nook color.
https://ebooksagsettlements.com/Home.aspx
I understand how the pricing of a book equates to the authors paycheck. But to me it should be cheaper than a paper book jmho. Just take out all the costs of printing it, The authors paycheck won't suffer because it is the same profit thing No clue how much it costs to print a book. Then again I can kinda see a Publisher wanting the price just as high if not higher because they have all these books sitting around.
As a side note I think the whole ebook thing is pretty scary if you are a publisher.
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Most of the ebooks I've
Most of the ebooks I've bought were from Baen, they charge $6 an ebook, including new releases.
Wanted to charge higher prices
And conspiring with Apple and other publishes to push the prices artificially higher aren't quite the same thing. There is a reason they settled rather than fought it in court.
{{Hugs}}
Publishing Costs
Most of the costs involved in publishing a book come up front, before the publisher makes a dime.
For a successful author, the publisher has to pay an "advance on royalties," which is essentially a futures contract. If the book bombs, the publisher loses money. If it's a New York Times Best Seller. the publisher makes money, if the advance wasn't too big. After publication, the typical royalty is about fifteen percent of the price, and the costs vary only on delivery. For a physical book, the cost to print, store, and ship a hardcover book are around three to three and a half or four bucks, depending on how fat the book is. Paperbacks are slightly cheaper, but only slightly, and one has to take into account "returns," a deal the seller makes with a retailer (a bookstore) which guarantees that the publisher will buy back any unsold copies. In practice, most "returns" are simply destroyed and the bookseller sends back the cover only (to save on shipping costs, since it couldn't be sold as a new book) although other options exist, such as taking back physical stock and sending them off to "remainder" outlets, who offer discount pricing. Electronic books, of course, don't incur the physical costs, but everything else is exactly the same, so in a perfect world, an eBook would be worth exactly that small difference less than the paper version.
Unfortunately, many people exaggerate the "savings" to the publisher, "reasoning" from the fact that "printing" an eBook costs very little to the conclusion that eBooks "ought" to be very nearly free.
But then you have to consider the costs for the acquisitions editor, who decides whether a book looks promising enough to take a flyer on, the development editor, who works with the author to bring the project to fruition, proofreaders, coders and/or editorial staff who develop the book for final publication, arranging an artist for the cover, arranging for the blurb on the back cover, a forward, chasing down errors, potential legal liabilities (mustn't forget a lawyer or two), publicity staff, who arrange for reviews, author appearances, advertising buys, product placement on talk shows, free copies for talk radio hosts, cable tv hosts, and so on. At that point, it doesn't really matter whether the book is destined for the paper print market of electronic publication, because almost every book these days is created as an electronic file, and then converted into whatever makes the most sense.
The people to whom it makes the most difference are the people who sell physical books, and bookshops are going out of business with great regularity, because of eBooks, as well as competition with huge discount operations like Amazon and Barnes and Noble.
I'm fond of bookshops. One can wander the aisles and find little treasures, talk to knowledgeable professionals who can advise one on similar books to those you particularly like, be attracted to creative covers, talk to authors during signings, and engage in a vast range of social activities and interactions that are simply impossible if one "navigates" to a web site.
I'm not fond of eBooks, as a general rule, especially self-published eBooks, because:
On the other hand:
The publishers have a very real beef with eBooks, and many authors do as well, because eBooks are cannibalising the cooperative relationship between readers and the traditional publishers and booksellers who supply the trade. Publishers and booksellers are fighting for their lives, when one thinks clearly about the issue, and so are desperate. If the bookshops go out of business, eventually the publishers will follow, and the beautiful edifice of true literacy will start to wither away.
I'll miss it.
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Cheers,
Puddin'
A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style
Flawed reasons
Your reasons for not liking ebooks have a few flaws...
1. My ereader and tablet certainly have weight, no they don't feel like a book, but I actually got over that.
2. Not sure what you mean by all the same, but I wouldn't buy a coffee table book for an ereader, I might buy an atlas, the zooming ability on my tablet would be nice. A friend of mine reads his comics on his reader exclusively.
3. Funny since I can borrow ebooks from my local library, and it is both possible to "lend" or give copies to your friends.
4. That depends upon whom you buy from, Amazon certainly has had problems, but I buy most of mine from Baen Books. I can download any and all formats they have, which covers most readers and includes .rtf and a zipped .html. Six different ebook formats, including Kindle. I have downloaded multiple formats, and used Calibre to reformat them into other formats.
5. Odd that Baen and several other publishers are selling ebooks, these are digital copies of the hard and softcover books you can find in bookstores and libraries. These are not published on a shoestring, the self published are what you would expect from self publishing.
6. True enough, then again, you can't include moving pictures in your paper book.
Sometime in the past ten years one of Baen Books authors convinced the publisher to include in a copy of his new book a CDROM with electronic copies of his past books and those of other authors that agreed. Needless to say the publisher was wary of the idea, but agreed. The publisher found that their sales increased as people read either all or part of the story and then went and bought the book, and other books by the author. They now have on their website the Baen Free Library, a collection of books, many bestsellers that are available to either read online or for download. Their ebook prices, directly from their site are $4 to $6 with various bundles costing more. Other publishers charge more, some at or near full hardback cost (that means the publisher is collecting the printers, transporters, and bookstores profits into their own).
The biggest drawback of ereaders are dead batteries. :(
Additional information
Baen free library (100+ free non-drm ebooks).
Eric Flint, the author who started the idea up gives an excellent explanation of the business logic for this - he "expects this Baen Free Library to make us money by selling books". Read his posting! (Eric then, in a series or articles, elaborated on the issues involved) I know three of the authors who have put their books on the Free Library, and I'm a friend of one. They all have told me that they agree with Eric Flint's analysis, and have seen an increase in sales after putting their books on the free library.
Baen ebook site, for ebooks without drm! YOU own the book, NOT the ebook vendor! (Also, they're usually cheaper than the price through Amazon, Kobo or Barnes and Noble)
The CDs were bound into a number of Baen hardbacks. The CDs contained free copies of a number of Baen books, and came with a license which allowed *free* distribution of copies of the CDs. If you want to download copies of the CDs, go here. Please take the time to click on the link "More information about our eBook benefactors...", which summaries Baen's objectives.
Weight...
By that I mean heft in the hand, the distinctive difference between a cheap mass market paperback and a hardback. Some books are worth the weight, and I speak as one who owns roughly sixteen thousand pounds of books, the best part of an ISO container the last time I moved.
By 'all the same' I mean that every eBook is displayed on exactly the same gadget, with almost zero attention paid to either book or page design. There's a reason that book designers get paid, because a properly-laid out book, on the proper size and shape of paper, with appropriate margins, is a joy for the eye to see and the hand to hold, like a fine sculpture stuffed full of words.
I'm by no means a Luddite, and actually own roughly thirteen thousand eBooks as well, many of which duplicate books I already own in hardback because, as I pointed out, when packing for Mars, or a trip on an aeroplane, eBooks are far more convenient and portable.
Baen supplies a niche market, and is better suited to cater to that specific market, so I'm both aware of their policies and understand the difference between their market and the marketplace for poetry or "literary fiction." Discovering Set for Life by Judith Freeman, or Mortal Thoughts by Elizabeth Hand, almost requires a bookshop, and an owner, since "scrolling through" the titles on an eBook is singularly less satisfying than scanning the organised shelves of a bookshop, much less having the opportunity to actually talk to the bookseller.
It's true that book publishers are trying to protect their hardback prices, because that's where they make most of their money, and that's the marketplace that supports bookshops as well. As I said, they're in desperate straits, since a truism of the marketplace is that the bad drives out the good on cost alone.
I created and maintained a registry of specialized bookshops for many years, but I had to stop, because every year the lists grew shorter, and I began to feel depressed. I gave the operation to another, and she's not doing very well either.
Thus passes the glory of the world.
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Cheers,
Puddin'
A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style
I also agree with Puddintane
on this issue since I myself prefer physical books to ebooks. When "All heck" breaks loose across the globe, electricity may be a problem. Physical books you can read during the daytime without electricity. And that also includes disasters. For those without physical copies, and society has fallen to the wayside and you get bored - good luck. Having a paperback or hardback book with you can provide some form of comfort in the dark times ahead.
Until then, I do support an author doing ebooks and epub formats alongside physical published formats. I can't imagine a world where physical printed formats are gone.
When a civilization abandons printed written words in physical format, there is nothing to leave behind for future generations ahead.
Nothing to say ..."That we were here.."
Sephrena
Well a lot of stuff on BC is hardly great lit
... but it would be a shame for a lot of it to just disappear into the night. It need not be in print form but is there any form of preservation available other than say the internet time machine thingy. A lot of the stuff here could only be here as there is no way other than vanity publishing to make it economically practical to share.
I use to make booklets of some stories so I can read them away from the computer but space is a premium for a lot of folks. That is the real issue for book lovers, that of storage. An extensive library in a 900 sq foot apartment (fair sized) is not practical. Similar issues for houses, where bigger houses cost more and are you willing to spend money just to cool space for a large library. Preserving paper books, other than acid free ones, involve some recurring expenses. I have some comics where I had stored incorrectly in the 80s for a scant year or so and it can have an impact.
I just made an offer on a house I just submitted and it was accepted and I had to think long and hard how large I wanted it to be and a library of hardcover books is pretty daunting!
Kim
I have 4 large bookcases
holding a variety of language books, writing, school textbooks, Fantasy, Manga and all else. I prefer hardbacks whenever I purchase and paperback if hardback isn't an option. Yes space is tight for me so my purchases are very well thought out and I am at the point where I may need to spill out space elsewhere so It doesn't become a hoarder situation ^^
I pray you get the house you want ^^ *you deserve the best* ^^
Books are a treasure - Worlds of imagination at your fingertips.
Sephrena
Know your pain and joy
.... of having so many paper items. I will have to vet my collection, never doubt, as I have six - 6' high by 32 inches wide book cases in my apartment plus I have other collectibles as well. This move to a new house will give me literally the opportunity to clear away a lot of stuff I did not have time to vet at the time I put all my stuff into storage (long story involving bedbugs *shudder*)
Luckily I do have a fully detached garage/storage shed and an attic that is already floored so that will help a lot. The house I bought is not big by any means but is suitable for up to 2 people really, plus the occasional guest, pretty much a good sized starter home. Sooooo, unless I keep a lot of junk around, I should be okay.
Kim
Your news...
...about the house is exciting. Congratulations!
Love, Andrea Lena
Thank you :)
Yes, this is my first one I will own outright.
It is a bit daunting as as usual it involves a whole lot of debt. Sadly if it is so daunting now money thing now, at the bottom of the market, how daunting it will be for people who will miss this window of opportunity?
*Hug*
Thank you 'drea :)
Kim
One thing you are wrong on, Puddin'- ebook proofreading
It is my experience that ebooks are not very well proofread.
As one who proofs a lot of stories for others, I catch a lot of missed errors in ebooks that, in the cases where I also own the dead tree version, were caught in the paper publication.
What I cannot understand is when printing a paper book, they already had an electronic file. Why can't they convert that file into the ebook formats?
This happens a bit with Baen Books, but is much more prevalent with books from Amazon.
So if they are paying for proofreading, they are not getting their money's worth.
Surprisingly, stuff from Gutenburg, which was scanned from old out of copyright publications,often not with the best fonts and on poor paper, OCR'd and proofed by volunteers, and available for free, is usually more accurate.
It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.
Holly
Actually...
I think I said, roughly, that most are neatly packaged crap. You also have to understand that for many older books, what the publisher actually owns are the printing plates and more or less paper stock in their "back catalogue." To turn many of these 'ancient' titles into eBooks, they've had to scan them and then use OCR to produce said crap, not to mention that which comes fresh from the source.
You're right that Gutenberg texts are usually very accurate, but then they can easily afford the labour costs, and they don't produce all that many titles a year that people actually want to "buy."
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Cheers,
Puddin'
A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style
ebooks versus paper based
Although I have over 5000 paper based books (ppb's), compared to over 700 kindle versions, I am buying, almost exclusively, kindle versions (even to the point of replacing some of my ppb's. This is due, in part, to increasing age making it harder to read the ppb's, particularly in bed. I don't wear my contacts to bed, and two torn rotator cuffs make it difficult to read a Tom Clancy or a Michener in bed (they're too heavy). I can easily hold the kindle fire in bed, and I can change font size if my eyes require help. Yes, improvements can be made, but my vote goes strongly for the ebooks. I have been able to loan an ebook to my son (both of us using Kindle Fire's)without much trouble. I get rather irritated when a book I want to read is only available as a ppb...multiple choices are wonderful!
Also, I have written four (and a half) books, one and a half being cookbooks. Since I keep making minor improvements in the recipes, the electronic version is considerably easier to update and republish (and the ebook form is always current).
Ebook anti trust thing
I myself prefer a dead tree book in paperback form so that no emp pulse or loss of power will cost me my book.
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