Boy? Girl? Letting the child decide.

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Ran across an interesting story about how 2 parents are trying to raise 'genderless' children. It's interesting reading and gives me hope that someday our race will mature.
WARNING, don't read the comments following the story. The usual bigots and a@@holes posted their venom...

http://www.parentcentral.ca/parent/babiespregnancy/babies/ar...

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Angharad's picture

what they'e trying to do, but I have concerns that they're misguided. We learn who we are partly by our interactions with others and their family seems to be becoming isolated with home schooling and so on. I think they could be building a whole load of problems for the baby because they're not providing sufficient boundaries to hold it safe.

What they've done with their other boys seems better to enable them to explore roles and I'm sure if the boys decided they wanted to be girls, the parents would support them. Experiments with real children can be tragic as John Money found out.

Angharad

Angharad

It is very difficult to know

It is very difficult to know if you are making the right decision about going for gender free choice in the early years. Norms are so judgemental, and yes, the expectations of behavior and development start so early. I recall hearing wise old grannys telling one of my cousins that her first child was going to be a girl because of the way she carried in the womb (they were wrong).

Based on the misguided attempt of Money, it would appear that gender is in the brain, and if you follow the behavior modification schemes of Ken Zucker in creating gays from trans kids, gender is made, not born. His is an inconsistent theory, since he maintains that most gender confused kids will be gay whether he "treats" them or not, and then treats them anyway. He also maintains that there is a cutoff point in the early teens where they can be made more accepting of their gender, though gay.

Interactive PET scans and other brain imaging techniques seem to suggest that portions of the amygdala are the cradle of ones sense of gender, as does the patterning and numbers of neurons seen in thin sections of the Basal Striae Terminae (BSTc) part of the Amygdala). If the latter is true, and birth or nature is the determiner of gender, then Storm will determine, at about the age of 3, 4 or 5, if (s)he is a male, female, or other.

It is interesting that Jazz, the elder child, is very fluid in gender symbol preferences (colors, hair, toys), but knows himself to be a boy. That fluidity, hopefully, is a reflection of a strong personality that believes in self expression and to heck with society. He is already facing the often devastating pressures to conform, and those pressures are demonstrated in the comments of the two little girls that rejected playing with him. He is likely beginning to bow to those pressures a bit, demonstrated by the fact that he wanted the person at the nature program to know he was a boy.

Ah, we will see.

CaroL

CaroL

Boy? Girl? Letting the child decide.

My concern are those who will want to form a lynch mob to teach the parents a lesson.

    Stanman
May Your Light Forever Shine
    Stanman
May Your Light Forever Shine

Family secrets

All families have secrets, this family chose to not let people know if Storm is a boy or a girl. there are people close to the family who do know and the two siblings also know.
I don't see any harm in what they are doing.
Pronouns to describe who one is can often be cruel.
I think it is great Storm is not going through gender mania and that mom and dad are standing by their convictions.
The rants and raves by others I believe is because it goes against their grain.
Maybe there is a lesson to be learned and learn it very well. We often look at a baby and if their genitalia represents on of the two sexes then people feel safe addressing the child appropriately.
The babies name is Storm, and the parents are keeping Storms gender quite. so just tell them Storm is so adorable or bet Storm becomes a fine looking person when older.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

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Edeyn There is a quote from this story,

"I think it probably makes people feel played with to have that information withheld from them."

That is the crux of the matter, I think.

Why do people assume that they have the right to that information? Why does it being withheld make them irate and frustrated? I approach this differently than some, and I caused friends for years to be baffled by me. It stems from an incident in 1997 (Ten years before I became part of the BCTS readership)...
    Edeyn: Hello, nice to meet you.
    Friend: Um, hi... So, are you a girl or a guy?
    Edeyn: No.

... and it sort of became a tradition for me to introduce myself in such a way. The group eventually came to accept it and several decided that gender wasn't important to any aspect of their lives. It was kind of a nice environment for my early 20s.


Edeyn Hannah Blackeney
The Infamous Intersex Transgender Asian Lesbian Atheist Chick of the Ozarks
Wasn't it Jim Henson who said, "Without faith, I am nothing," after all? No, wait, that was God... Sorry, common mistake to make...