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I found out today that I have low testosterone. Yeah, so my thought was to have them switch it to estrogen, but the Doc said that my condition could lead to many possible and nasty complications, so they want to do injections to bring me back to "normal". Hah! Too late!
Anyway, I've heard several bad things about these injections, I'm just wondering, are they really needed? Is there a real risk if I do nothing? Can I see about switching? Who do I talk to about this?
My biggest worry is that this could effect my writing. Some of the research I've done says that getting the injections can lead to serious medical problems. Can't I just ignore this stuff? It's not like I'm all that "manly", nor do I really want to be. I'm very confused. I have heard that this can mess with the way I see things. I kinda like the way I see things. I don't need to get more aggresive. I don't find that at all desirable. Anybody got any thoughts?

Wren

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Find a doctor you can trust and tell them everything

erin's picture

That's about all the advice I can give.

Good luck.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Thanks Erin!

I thought at first, well, I have a Doctor. But then I realized how scary the thought of talking to her about the real me is. My therapist is out for a while having surgery. I think I'll wait until he's back before I jump...
I knew asking questions here would be a good idea!

Wren

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an endochrinologist may have the best info for you

Mostly true...

My endocrinologist is aware of my HRT, but that's being monitored by another doctor (The endocrinologist is watching too - but not prescribing). She's not really comfortable managing HRT for transgendered patients because she doesn't know enough about it... (We talked about it - when I told her about being on it - last year...).

So - yeah, the endocrinologist can explain what the medical issues with low testosterone are - no question there. If you're lucky, your endo can explain whether or not HRT can help. Generally though, (according to both my endo & shrink) the endocrinologists won't prescribe HRT without a shrink's letter recommending it.

For what it's worth - Before HRT, I had VERY LOW testosterone levels. (I didn't know about it until my doc did the checks prior to the HRT...) Neither my endo or HRT doc were that concerned - at that point... Perhaps for different reasons. I suspect had my Endo discovered the low testosterone first, she might have suggested supplementing. I dunno - and luckily - I don't have to deal with it...

To the best of my knowledge, I'll not be getting testosterone after GCS (assuming I get that far). So, the body will have even less then, and that's not a big issue - for my docs.

Any way - it's worth talking to specialists - and it's worth them knowing where you are...

Good Luck.
Anne

Got one!

Yeah, my endo is the one that discovered the problem. She seems to have her own feelings on what I should do, and I wanted to get some "non-medical" opinions from people who might have experience with this. I know, a Doctor will have the best info, but I wanted an opinion or two from "our" viewpoint. It's still hard to bring up my difference with most people. I confess, I'm a chicken!

Wren

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Hey, dear.

Among the FtMs, the first shot of "mister T" is known as the "werewolf shot". (well, among the ones that I know)

Hormones are *hella* effective. A shot of testosterone (even more: one shot with regular follow-ups) *may* provide enough hormonal drive to allow you to present as male.

Do you want to present as male?

If so, this is probably a place for you to avoid. Get the shots, let them run their course.

If not, then it's no different than the torture (resulting in suicide) of Alan Turing. He was *gay*. He liked boys, but that didn't make him a girl. They gave him shots of estrogen. He killed himself.

Don't do that.

Amy!

Good points!

I really can't help but present as a male. I'm just too dang big and hairy. Do I want to present myself that way? No, not really.
My biggest concern is that I'm told that the shots make you feel more aggressive, more...male. I like who I am. Yeah, I'm a "fluffy bunny", I care about others, and I'm worried about changing that. When I get angry, I'm really not a good person. I worry the shots would put me in that mode for an extended period, and I DON'T want to go there. I think I need to finish my story I'm working on, before I take the shots.

Wren

Low Testosterone, a few questions

Find a good doc.

Do you consider yourself to be TG? Are you intersexed? How old are you? I'd think really hard about letting them give you testosterone shots. There are people here that have experienced this. Please keep us informed.

Much peace

Gwendolyn

I am thinking about this...a lot!

I do consider myself to be Transgender. I'm a girl, trapped in this big ugly body. I'm 51, with a great many medical issues, so to be honest, I'm not a good candidate for a long retirement. You brought up the thought I had, that there are people here with experience, which is why I brought it up. Thank you for caring so much!

Wren

OK, this is long but here goes.

Ok, this is long but here goes. Low testosterone causes all sorts of things rangeing from lack of energy, loss of muscle mass, loss of bone density, and loss of the ability to get hard. The worst of these is the loss of bone density. It is natural for men of a certain age to have lowered testosterone, but it can also indicate health problems: Diabetes, high blood pressure, drug addiction, alcohol addiction, heart trouble, and other things your endocrinologist could fill you in on. So, without other supplements, like shots of T or E, you can have problems with brittle bones. You don't want that (just think of the boneless chicken ranch for inspiration ).

I was shot up with T in my teens, and for me it was cross sex hormone, and I had very negative reactions (mentally) to it as it wrecked my mental image of my self with a "male" puberty and threw me into a deep depression with suicidal ideation, and my grades went from As and Bs to Cs and Ds in short order. If you have never had estrogen, but have dealt with T during a male puberty, you could handle it better than I could have at that age. There were lots of complicated things going on at the time.

I have known F2Ms who changed markedly with the shots, lowering voice, beards, male pattern baldness, and increased muscle mass, and it is often thought of as a growth hormone, though used as an adult it mainly helps develop muscle mass with excercise and can improve sexual function, if it is a problem. You need to see an endocrinologist who might be able to help you monitor the testosterone levels through bloodwork until you get stabilized. Be frank with them, as they have heard it all before, and they will work with you to keep you healthy and meet your other objectives. Usually a woman is more understanding. They will likely check for diabetes and other risks factors as well. That is a good thing.

I am on estrogen prepatory to surgery (RLT), and my testosterone (usually female normal without supplementary estrogen) got too low, so now I use a T cream 4 times a week. It has made a difference in my energy, and to some degree in sexual interest. The amount is low, and the effects are mild, much more than the whopping big shots I got in my teens to "correct" my birth defect. I was worried about using the cream due to my earlier experience, but with the low amount and positive results, it's not so bad. I now have female normal levels, which with the estrogen I can tolerate.

CaroL

CaroL

Wow! Good info, CaroL!

I am a diabetic (which explains why I have an endo). I have no sexual function anymore, and I haven't for years (The spirit is willing, but...). I think if I could use the cream, I would feel better about this, but they tell me my only option (due to insurance) is the shots. Shots don't bother me, but the side affects I read about do. One site I was on said that there are potential health hazards. Hey, I don't want this stuff in my body in the first place! Scary!
Thank you for the information. I knew people here would be able to help with my questions!

Wren

T cream

How much does the stuff cost? Is it cheaper in Canada? Can you get it (the real stuff, not some uncertified substitute) over the web? If you can find an affordable and safe source, I'm sure your doctor would have no problem writing the prescription if that's the stuff that would be best for you.

Please note that I'm not recommending that you get the stuff over the web and dose yourself. I'm recommending that you use whatever safe source you can to get what you need to follow the doctor's prescription.

Ray Drouillard

T* doesnt work alone

I too was diagnosed with low T.

My GP refererred me to an endo and he found i also had other stuff that was lower than normal

I was not given hormones of either type in spite of both drs knowing that i was ts.

Nobody.

And how are you doing?

See, there's my thought. Do I really need the shots? I worry most about the brittle bones problem. Is that a serious problem without the hormones, or just a "Well, it could happen..." kind of thing?
Thanks for posting!

Wren

Just another point of view

There has, for long time, been discussed if there is a need for post-op transsexual persons (MtF) to continue the estrogene treatment for ever. As far as I can see there has not been any articles published that had showed any difference, as it has not been tested. Therefore we all are supposed to use estrogenes for the time beeing. It has been voiced that the immune system would not work well unless there is some ciculating sexual hormones, but I have not sen that in print, so I cannot put any scietific research behind this idea. From my own transition I can just tell you that I had a total testosterone blocker that actually stoped the brain to send out signals to produce testosterone. After about two weeks I got symptomes of very low /nonexistant/ levels of testosterone asnd not until I mentioned that to my endochrinologist was I allowed to start the estrogen intake. I think this was because there should be no testosterone left in my body, at least the T that came from the testis.
I am not sure if this will make it clearer for you, but it might be taken in when planning a combination of low production of T and giving the body estrogenes as well
Best greetings
Ginnie

GinnieG

I actually talked about this...

I actually talked about this with my hormone doctor. She said that we just pick when we're going to have "menopause" by stopping (or mostly stopping) our HRT.

Our Estrogen dose normally drops significantly following GCS.

Anne

Low testosterone

In 1997 I was diagnosed with abnormally low testosterone. My DR.wanted to give me hormone shots to bring my level up. I changed doctors immediately. I spoke to my new doctor and she was very understanding. I saw an endocrinologist shortly after that and they prescribed estrogen for me. No one ever told me there was a medical condition that would make me get worse.

I'd doing fine and the first doctor has left the building on a permanent basis

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Sex Hormones

I think to prevent osteoporosis and other problems mentioned here, one should have some sex hormones in ones body, rather than no sex hormones. Wimyn do fine with a mix of a little T and a lot of estrogen. If you are TG, even if not passable, I think you should be on estrogen. Possibly you should be on a mix, like Carol. A little T will probably stop you from getting too weak and having too little drive. GG's do take T, but not in the amounts that F2M's do.

Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee

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Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee