Anybody have any questions or topics they want to be sure we cover in chat tomorrow? Even if you're not goingto be there, you can leave a query on this thread or in my PM.

One thing we're going to be discussing is the future of BigCloset and Stardust and how to be sure that everybody's efforts are continued and supported. But we could talk about other stuff, too.

- Erin

What are you doing with that candlestick? Are they supposed to go there?

Here's Bob's chatlog up until the time he left, about 11 pm EST. I stayed another two hours but forgot to save the chatlog. :( Some good things came out of the chats; among other things, I turned the author lists back on as default so unlogged in readers will see them in the left column. Logged in readers can control the appearance using the |my account| tab in the left column. Another thing I did is make the printer friendly link appear at the top of stories as well as at the bottom. Side effect of that was the comment links on the main page also appear top and bottom of stories. Here's the log: Session Start: Tue Nov 07 19:34:23 2006 Session Ident: #Main_Room * Topic is 'Welcome to the BigCloset TopShelf/Stardust Main Chat Room' * Set by Bob_A on Sun Nov 05 16:13:25 /chrisl/ lol meant to be a Hi Erin there /@Bob_A/ sorry. back now. hit a wrong button. /Randalynn/ Hi, Erin! /HopeEternalReigns/ Silly fingers Bob??? /@Bob_A/ yup /ErinHalfelven/ hi all, i've got to run an errand and i'll be back (also need to get some food) :) /chrisl/ bye Erin /HopeEternalReigns/ My fingers are ALWAYS doing things my brain doesn't want /Randalynn/ lol /Randalynn/ going to go cuddle hubby for a bit. back soon! /HopeEternalReigns/ Well they do SOME fun things too - but that is another story altogether /HopeEternalReigns/ By Randalynn /chrisl/ read any good stories lately ? /HopeEternalReigns/ Ok so here is the deal as I see it - I have barely enough finances to eat most days - so I can't send money - I can and have offered to proofread and/or edit for people and I have been almost nuts about commenting on stories I' ve read recently too /HopeEternalReigns/ I have rerally enjoyed Raised in Salt Lake City /HopeEternalReigns/ And ---- oh the jack to Jill story --- what's the name /adam/ changing keys /HopeEternalReigns/ That's the one - Thanks Adam /chrisl/ I kinda liked it, found the keeping secrets bit hard to comprehend in SLC and ANSoE between pupils anyway /adam/ your welcome /HopeEternalReigns/ And everything by Karen Page /chrisl/ yep changing keys is one I am watching for /HopeEternalReigns/ Prue's latest was very good too /chrisl/ Sapphire has an update sundaynight so belle was nice to see /HopeEternalReigns/ Araya's Hope /@Bob_A/ I'll be back in a few minutes. Gotta make a bathroom trip before things really get started. /chrisl/ K bob /HopeEternalReigns/ Not quite as emotional as Raised in SLC or New style of Ed /HopeEternalReigns/ But very good /chrisl/ my favourite stories recently are by Renae /Randalynn/ back! /chrisl/ First among fools is amazing /Randalynn/ hi, people who weren't here the last time i WAS /HopeEternalReigns/ Chris - I KNOW I read something of yours recently too but can't remember the names - (Dementia is setting in with a vengance) /chrisl/ wb Randalynn /Randalynn/ thanks, chrisl /Randalynn/ Husband is deeply engrossed in VA election returns /chrisl/ nope not me HER i am not an author merely a reader /Randalynn/ so, limited cuddling potential there at the moment /HopeEternalReigns/ So Randalynn did you saticfy "hubby" /Randalynn/ actually, i was hoping Mike would make ME feel better. *grin* /HopeEternalReigns/ Are you sure you have never posted a story Chris /chrisl/ I would have remembered it :) /Randalynn/ *smiles* /HopeEternalReigns/ Well when you scratch and itch it usually works both ways hee hee hee /HopeEternalReigns/ I guess so Chris - sorry /chrisl/ please don't be sorry dear it is of no imort /HopeEternalReigns/ It must just have been your comments on stories I was commenting on /chrisl/ import /HopeEternalReigns/ Imr are you still with us /chrisl/ well that i do although Erin tends to delete some of them * Itinerant ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /lmr/ Yep Had to go feed my dog /chrisl/ Hi Itinerant /HopeEternalReigns/ Oh dear - I haven't checked maybe all my comments have been deleted too /Itinerant/ Evening y'all! /Randalynn/ hi, Itinerant /Itinerant/ Hi Randalynn /Itinerant/ Hi chrisl /adam/ hello Itinerant /HopeEternalReigns/ Hi It * Beverly ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Itinerant/ hi adam, evening HER /Beverly/ [Joins the Chat Room] /HopeEternalReigns/ Hi Beverly /Itinerant/ welcome Beverly /chrisl/ Hi beverly /Randalynn/ hi, Beverly! /Beverly/ Hiyas /adam/ hello beverly /Beverly/ Thought I'd throw my hat in for this little chat since it seems my site may also be an issue too. /Randalynn/ oh? /Itinerant/ How so, Bev? /HopeEternalReigns/ Never an issue dear a concern in these financially difficult time surely though * Randalynn wonders which site is Beverly's * Ave ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /HopeEternalReigns/ The one with the balcony - right? * Bob_A-afk is now known as Bob_A /Ave/ Hio all /Beverly/ hmm. really not so much financially, but more of a personal issue with lack of support over the last couple of years /Itinerant/ Hi Ave /HopeEternalReigns/ Ave Ave /Beverly/ yeppers. That's me /Randalynn/ HI, Ave! /Itinerant/ WB Bob /Randalynn/ welcome back, Bob /Beverly/ Beverly's Balcony for those who aren't familiar with it /chrisl/ Hi Ave /Beverly/ hiya Bob /Itinerant/ LOTS of goodies at Bev's place! /lmr/ Pretty Site Bev /Randalynn/ i will definitely check it out soonest /@Bob_A/ I'm pleased to see so many people here tonight! /chrisl/ Bev the most beutiful to these eyes /Randalynn/ ooooooo, pretty! /Beverly/ oh thanks ya all! * Shelley ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Shelley/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Itinerant/ Hi Shelley /@Bob_A/ welcome Shelly /chrisl/ hi shelley /Beverly/ I have tried but i can commiserate with the time needed to keep any site going /Beverly/ hi shell /HopeEternalReigns/ Shelly bo belly fie fi bo melly --- Shelly /@Bob_A/ Things will get under way in a few more minutes. /@Bob_A/ feel free to chat! /Itinerant/ HER is into the name game, I see.... /HopeEternalReigns/ I thought we WERE chatting /HopeEternalReigns/ Ah an oldie but a goodie /Shelley/ Hi all.... /Beverly/ uhm me have a tendency to babble soooo..... /Randalynn/ ummmm ... last time I checked, I think this qualifies as a chat /Itinerant/ Heh /Beverly/ chat chat chat yak yak yak mumble bumble mumble /chrisl/ this is chat foreplay ? /Itinerant/ yammer yammer /Beverly/ bla bla bla /Randalynn/ oooh, baby ... talk to me! /Shelley/ personally I think you sysop's and author's are doing a great job /Shelley/ brb /HopeEternalReigns/ Ok - on topic - I'm very happy to see so many different sites devoted to TG stories - diversity is a GOOD thing /Beverly/ hey i try but RL keeps me very busy /Beverly/ as anyone who has been by the balcony can see by my lack of updates, but that may just be being lazy....hmmm. /Randalynn/ currently, i haunt three sites almost exclusively -- BigCloset, Sapphire's Place, and Fictionmania ... although FM has more stories I'm NOT interested in than the ones I am /Itinerant/ I've appreciated sites like Bev's and Stardust. /Itinerant/ They tend to be more selective, so there's less dreck to wade through. /Beverly/ Hence one of the main reasons I started the Balcony years ago /lmr/ Stardust is/was classy site! /Itinerant/ Generally it's the same on BC/TS /@Bob_A/ Well, guess that its time. The topis is/was/will be the future of TG story sites. At least that what Erin posted we were talking about. * Itinerant pokes ErinHalfelven /Shelley/ back /HopeEternalReigns/ I understand Erin's point though - That there is a LOT of work to keeping a site current and though I love to read the stories I don't have nearly enough knowledge to even think of offering to do some of the work /Beverly/ i WAS thinking on the lines of FM and Sapphires at the time but it seems Erin and Bob have done a fantastic job taking over the quality reins /@Bob_A/ Please forgive my sloppy typ[ing. I'll try my bestt o make sense but I can't promise I'll achieve that completely. * bob ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /bob/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Itinerant/ hi bob * bob ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /Beverly/ bye bob /Randalynn/ Sooooo .... part of the reason this chat was organized was the announcement that Bob would be closing Stardust /Beverly/ okies future of TG sites * Shelley would like to offer help to Bob, Erin or Bev /@Bob_A/ First, an update on Stardust. I've been talking with Erin about keeping it open. Nothing has been decided yet however. * bob_L ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /bob_L/ [Joins the Chat Room] /lmr/ Stardust closing would be a LOSS! /HopeEternalReigns/ Hi Bob_L /Itinerant/ Welcome bob_L /bob_L/ hi /@Bob_A/ I hope Erin will be back very soon since I don't know how much of the plane we've discudssed over the past week or more she wants to make public yet. /Randalynn/ Bob? /@Bob_A/ Me or Bob_L? /Beverly/ I KNOW how hard it is to keep a quality site going, so i am saddened but understanding in the option of closing Stardust /Randalynn/ Bob A. Is keeping up with keeping Stardust online difficult? /@Bob_A/ no, not really, Randalynn. It's just the daily stuff that I'm having a problem with. /@Bob_A/ There are options though. /Shelley/ on the serface it seems that there is alot of duplication of stories etc, but I think with the direction that Bob wants to go It could be VERY GOOD to keep open /HopeEternalReigns/ Is one of the options an amalgamation with BC' /Beverly/ However one of the main lessons I have learned over the last 5 years of my site is that feedback is never plentiful for site owners /@Bob_A/ As some background, Stardust was first started when Crystal and Sapphire had problems doing timely postings. /HopeEternalReigns/ Ok /@Bob_A/ That hasn't changed much however. /Shelley/ a lot of times it would be nice to dirrect a "learning" person to a site that is not full of "porn" /HopeEternalReigns/ I can see that /@Bob_A/ Since the start of Stardust I /chrisl/ FM has a taskforce is that impractical for multiple small sites ? /Beverly/ There should be a duplication of quality stories. It is a mainstay of an authors livelyhood /@Bob_A/ ve tried to make it into something more than the sites that seem to have an abundance of "raunch" type stories. /@Bob_A/ While I have nothing against that type of stopry it just isn' /Shelley/ so that people can see quality stories that give an insite in to a tg persons stuggles etc /@Bob_A/ isn't something I wanted on Stardust. /Beverly/ You have done well Bob as you do have a stable of quality authors /Beverly/ And a decent site in the type of format you are working with /@Bob_A/ So far I've been able to get stories to post, I just haven't been able to tend to the site as much as I want to. /HopeEternalReigns/ Does that mean you have only certain authors on your site or that you check every storu /lmr/ The quality of Stardust both in writers and BobA intent makes it a big loos if it closes /Itinerant/ I appreciate having control as an author over posting new stories. /Beverly/ I assume that authors summit their stories to Erin and Bob to post /@Bob_A/ Well, I do have it open for anyone to post so I have to check out each story. /Randalynn/ actually, on BC/TS, you post directly /Itinerant/ Beverly: At BC and Stardust you can post directly. /HopeEternalReigns/ That would seem a shitload of work /@Bob_A/ There are a few authors that I trust. Folks like Itinerant and Erin and a few others to keep to the goals for Stardust. /Itinerant/ Or at least *I* haven't seen any approval cycle. /Itinerant/ *gulp* /Beverly/ My site however has authors that i personally invite to let me post or host their stories /Beverly/ So the type of quality control is different between sites /@Bob_A/ I've also tried to invite other authors whose work I like to post there. A few have accepted the invitation but not cinsistantly. /lmr/ That's obvious /HopeEternalReigns/ That means a lot of work for one person - the owner of the site /Itinerant/ Bev raised an interesting point. Is the lack of feedback to the site owners an issue? /Beverly/ hmmm. except for a couple of exclusive authors on other sites I haven't had any rejections /@Bob_A/ It's something of an issue for me in that I feel that the authors that post there really don't get the feedback they deserve from the readers. /Beverly/ non feedback can affect a site owner, at least in my case, personally especially if you are putting forth a huge amount of effort /HopeEternalReigns/ I assume what is being proposed is a combined site that would then have a commity to see to the dayly grind instead of just one person /Itinerant/ Bob_A: The story feedback, to me, isn't a huge issue as long as the read counters are rolling. /Randalynn/ well, to keep to the Stardust mission, you'd need a way to filter the combined site to meet those editorial restrictions /HopeEternalReigns/ Wow my spelling is getting worse by the minute /@Bob_A/ I'm not certain exactly where things will go, HER/ /Shelley/ I offten done comment until the story is finished as that is when I will read a serial story /Randalynn/ perhaps, if you enter through the Stardust domain name, a filter is in place so that only those stories that meet those standard can be seen /Beverly/ RL keeps everyone busy so what time and effort is put forth would like to be appreciated by everyone who contributes to asny site whether author artist or site owner /@Bob_A/ My costs to run the site are fixed and won't change for the forseeable futur so I'm not looking to do any ads or donation type stuff. /Beverly/ ditto for mine /@Bob_A/ The only problem I have is a lack of a lot of bandwidth to the Internet. There are some options available to me though. /Beverly/ I really wonder where we stand as a community and what we want our community to represent /Shelley/ but still a T1 or O3 line are expensive to pay for /@Bob_A/ Right now the site doesn't get enough traffic to be a problem. /@Bob_A/ I tried for a T1 recently, Shelly. I couldn't afford it. I have an ISDN line (128,000 bits per second max) /Beverly/ Bob what would YOU like to get out of this chat? Erin? /@Bob_A/ Well, one positive thing I already got is that there a bunch or people concerned enough to take the time to be here tonight. I'm very thankful for that. * Randalynn smiles /Itinerant/ Some of us feel as if we owe you, Bob. /Beverly/ your welcome /@Bob_A/ I'm more optimistic about working out something to keep Stardust going now. /lmr/ If Stardust was not presenting to be closed I would not be here /@Bob_A/ Nobody "owes" me anything, Itinerant. /Itinerant/ *shrug* /Beverly/ I wish sometimes I had your skills with websites Bob /@Bob_A/ I just try to give something back to the community for tll the sttories I've enjoyed over the years. /HopeEternalReigns/ I'll state it again incase this is being recorded now - I can not help financially - I can and would help in proofreading/editting - and I could possibly also help in censorship if the guidelines were drawn up for all to follow /Itinerant/ And the work is appreciate. /Randalynn/ how about his skill with words, Bev? /Itinerant/ +d /Beverly/ though i like things simple and not too cluttered whether it is stories or sites /Beverly/ so that is why mine is as it is. /Beverly/ Thanks for the offer HER * Dru ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Dru/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Randalynn/ welcome, Dru! /@Bob_A/ Yes, the offer is appreciated, HER. I'll keep it in mind. /Beverly/ hiyas Dru /@Bob_A/ Welcome, Dru /chrisl/ Hi Dru /Itinerant/ Welcome Dru /adam/ hi dru /Dru/ Thanks, I'm here to listen and learn /HopeEternalReigns/ I'm emailable at gmail.com (handle all lowercase) /@Bob_A/ thanks, HER /Beverly/ Actually Bob and Erin I am humbled in my efforts when i look at either TS or SD /Shelley/ I would also be willing to help on the tech side. I an not that good at prooffing but I can get just about any computer to behave.... :) /Beverly/ You both do a phenominal job in maintain quality sites /Itinerant/ I'd be willing to help with posting reviews as well. /@Bob_A/ Well, thanks to a content manager called Drupal running the sites is fairly easy, Beverly. /@Bob_A/ I spenf more time with the servers than I do with the site itself. /Itinerant/ or reviewing postings -- or something like that. *sigh* /HopeEternalReigns/ Anyone who wants a story proofed or edited may send it to me - I reserve the right to erase any stories that ofend my sensibilities though /Dru/ I would also be willing to proof stories /Beverly/ I cringe to use much in the way of tools beyond basic HTML due to the amount of what i consider garbage that is filtered into templates /@Bob_A/ Thanks, Dru. I appreciate the offer. /Itinerant/ That might be a useful feature: a list of volunteer proofers/editors. /lmr/ I am also available for editing and proofing but I did one for a BC author and got blasted for rejecting it due to content /Beverly/ Though some authors are very particular about their "babies" /@Bob_A/ I'm sure that would be of great interestr for the folks at BC TopShelf too. I know there an on-goign discussion abotu it there. /lmr/ and can be nasty if you do not liek the work regardless /chrisl/ I would also commit time, preferably scheduled and with a clear understanding of policy to help with site maintenance etc /Beverly/ I would hate to see any site close since we have so few as it is, especially if it was due to lack of feedback or support /@Bob_A/ thanks, Chris. Depending on how things go I may take you up on your offer. /Itinerant/ Pairing authors and editors is an art. /Beverly/ some of the same issues that plague authors can apply to sites also /HopeEternalReigns/ Well I've said my piece - I'll leave you to it - Good night all - be well and care for each-other /@Bob_A/ Setting aside the Stardust situation temporarily, what does everyone look for in teh stories they read and/or write? /Itinerant/ G'Night HER /chrisl/ nighty night HER /@Bob_A/ niet, HER! /Shelley/ nite HER /Dru/ nite NER /Randalynn/ g'night, HER /adam/ night her * HopeEternalReigns ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /Itinerant/ I tend to write what I like to read. /Randalynn/ I look for well-plotted stories with original and engaging concepts, and characters you can care about. /Dru/ I'm not big into forced fem. I think like many I like a story which makes you feel good and provides hope for everyone /Beverly/ I tend to lean more toward stories that involve TG characters rather than a TG story /@Bob_A/ For me, a sex scene disguised as the main body of the story is an instantt no-read. Gotta have some good plot around it to make it of any interest to me. /Itinerant/ Stories about characters, not just events. /Beverly/ ditto to Randalynn /Beverly/ I think the stories on my site tend to reflect my own tastes of course /lmr/ My life can be dark enough so dark stories do nothing for me. I also have a big problem with work that involves an underaged child. /@Bob_A/ Same here lmr. That's one of the big no-nos in posting on Stardust. /lmr/ and the stories on your site Bev do you credit also /Shelley/ I like stories that "tell" a story... personaly I like well discribed transformation sequences if it is part of the plot /lmr/ I know and it is a main reason why I hate to see SD go down /Beverly/ My tastes have changed over the years along with my own life as anyone would /@Bob_A/ I can say right now that the chance of SD going away is much less right now than before this chat session started, folks. /Beverly/ that is glad to hear bob /Dru/ I also like to be able to read the entire story. It is very disappointing to follow a story for months and never have it concluded /lmr/ Me TOO!!!! /Dru/ Glad to hear that, it is a great site /@Bob_A/ Ther are things that need to be worked out though and I promise to try to get them taken care of as quickly as I can. /Beverly/ As I have had happen in the past, sometimes it only takes even one encouraging voice to change my mind * Scott ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Scott/ [Joins the Chat Room] /@Bob_A/ hi Scott /Itinerant/ Hi Scott! /Dru/ hi Scott /lmr/ Hi Scott /Randalynn/ hi, Scott! /Beverly/ BTW thanx lmr /Beverly/ hiyas scott /adam/ hi scott /Scott/ Hello everyone * Gwen ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Gwen/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Beverly/ hi gwen /Randalynn/ hi, Gwen! /@Bob_A/ hi Gwen /Itinerant/ Hi Gwen * Penny ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Penny/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Gwen/ Evening all /@Bob_A/ hi Penny /Randalynn/ hey, Penny! /Dru/ Hi Gwen & Penny /Itinerant/ Welcome Penny /adam/ hello Gwen and /ErinHalfelven/ hi all, i'm back and bob, i've got speakeasy on the line /Beverly/ WOW! Hi everyone /adam/ penny /Penny/ Hello everyone /@Bob_A/ we've got a great group tonight! /Itinerant/ Hi Erin /Beverly/ WB Erin /Dru/ Hi Erin /chrisl/ Hi Svcott, Gwen and Penny /@Bob_A/ landline is okay when you're done with them, Erin. /Randalynn/ hey, Erin. welcome back! /chrisl/ wb Erin /Penny/ Good to see everyone here /Shelley/ wb erin /Gwen/ Erin, I suppose that you asked us here for a reason? :) /Beverly/ What I would like to see in the future with TG sites and the online community... /ErinHalfelven/ good to be here, i took a bit to read the prev posts so i'm almost up to speed /@Bob_A/ I guess that I'mm drop the news that Erin is going to put her own server on-line. We've spent quite a bit of time getting her an Internet connectio nand configuring her server. /Itinerant/ Cool! /Beverly/ Is a more personal interaction that comes about through the internet not necessarily only online /ErinHalfelven/ should be up by the next few days /Beverly/ good to hear Erin /Gwen/ Well, once you configure Erin... that nevermind. /Randalynn/ excellent! /Scott/ That's great Erin /@Bob_A/ That's the phone call she mentioned. The ISP screwed up the DSL line installation today. /Beverly/ of course they did /ErinHalfelven/ bev, i've met a fe people in RL but many don't wish to get involved personally /Penny/ Is that going to be more chalenges or less? hee /Beverly/ that is sad to hear erin /ErinHalfelven/ well, penny, i probably couldnt do it at all if not for bob /ErinHalfelven/ :) /@Bob_A/ I'm just the gnome working away behind the scenes. /Dru/ Fat chance - you do more than the rest of us /Beverly/ I've struggled without the support available today and I would like to see more personal interaction between people even if it is through a phone line instead of the internet /Gwen/ Well, you are a good gnome Bob, we all love you! /Scott/ Gnomes are vital to the internet Bob /Itinerant/ And he has a gnome office, too. /Penny/ gnomes are good, it's the gremlins that I worry about /ErinHalfelven/ a closet gnome :) with a radio aerial instead of a fishin pole /lmr/ They keep Santa in business so THKX Bob /Beverly/ Definitely a BIG Closet gnome :D /@Bob_A/ sheesh! and I thought Prue Walker was bad with the puns! /Scott/ Um, those are Elves I think .... /ErinHalfelven/ i'm on hold again bob while a new tech reads the file :) /@Bob_A/ the old hurry up and wait game... /Beverly/ yes tech support....Hurry up and wait /Randalynn/ yup. elves. *grins* /ErinHalfelven/ well, anyone who walks prues /lmr/ Elves Gnomes who cares if it works! /Beverly/ do they both have those cool slippers? /Randalynn/ i think gnomes are more the boots and beards set /@Bob_A/ The problem was that the DSL installation guy was a troll. /Randalynn/ like dwarves, but not quite as grumpy? /Beverly/ oooh! Gnomes and Trolls don't mix /lmr/ Gnomes feet are too big for slippers /Gwen/ Randalynn what is your latest take on Deception of Choice? /Randalynn/ well, when in Gnome ... /Scott/ Groan /Beverly/ OUCH! /Randalynn/ sorry /lmr/ It is getting silly here /Beverly/ that one had a pointed wit * @Bob_A stuff the last Twinkie in mouth. /Shelley/ so a DSL line with 512K upload is fast enought for a website? /Randalynn/ I think David's already lost /Beverly/ hmmm. works for mine /@Bob_A/ It should be closer to a T1, Shelly, 1.1 megabits per second. /Gwen/ Kinda figured that, what else? /Randalynn/ but I trust fleurie to take us home and give us SOMETHING when the last card is played /Beverly/ OH! A bit off topic, but does anyone here who has visited my site have any technical issues with it? /Shelley/ around here dsl is 1.5M d/l and 512k u/l /@Bob_A/ I'm running Stardust and several other sites on my ISDN line and they all work okay, not fat but okay anyway. /Beverly/ Beyond the missing pages of course that will be up again one of these days /ErinHalfelven/ this dsl line is 1.1 up and down /Gwen/ Is David lost because he might become a woman? /Randalynn/ that's his fear /Gwen/ Why should he fear that? /lmr/ Your site is soo pretty Bev but even with my DSL it takes a long time to load with all the graphics /Randalynn/ and it's justified, in that it's such a radical change from who he truly wanted to be from teh start /Itinerant/ I gotta run, all. 5AM comes early. /Itinerant/ G'Night! /@Bob_A/ bye Itinerant /Randalynn/ he fears it because it was NEVER his choice /Shelley/ We just installed a T1 line for an local oil company.... I would like to get my hands on some of their unused bw /Randalynn/ and he's fought it as best he could * Itinerant ([email protected]) has left #Main_Room (So Long, and Thanks for All the Fish!) /adam/ night /Randalynn/ even though he never truly had a chance /@Bob_A/ bye adam and thanks for visiting * wolf-pup ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /@Bob_A/ hi wolf-pup /Randalynn/ hi, wolf-pup /ErinHalfelven/ i tried to get a t1 but they couldnt do it at their special price in my area * adam ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /ErinHalfelven/ puppy! /wolf-pup/ Hello All :) /chrisl/ Gwen dydphoria kills some people if they can't get treatment so why should forced dysphoria be easy ? /Randalynn/ nods /Gwen/ Wow, all sorts fun... Hiya Wolfie! /Gwen/ Who is Dysphoric? David? /Randalynn/ i'm sure David's life as Sophie won't be horrific -- but it was forced upon him. And the freedom to choose who we are and what we want is a vital part of what makes us who we are /chrisl/ if david is a man forced to live as a woman that would be dysphoric for him /Randalynn/ if David becomes Sophie, it won't be by choice /Gwen/ David is just gay. Amounts to the same thing of course. /ErinHalfelven/ so, my idea is we aim to get BC and SD on the same server and acheive some integration, so anyone registered at bc is registered at SD and G or M stories, or whatever bob decides posted to bc show up on SD automatically -- SD becomes the clean Closet :) * Randalynn sighs /Randalynn/ i didn't think we'd get anywhere with this discussion. moving on /chrisl/ gwen do you think women born transsexual such as myself are gay men ? /Scott/ That sounds like a nice idea Erin /Beverly/ huh? did i miss something? /Beverly/ Sounds good Erin /Dru/ To support Bob, Erin, Beverly and others can we create a support base for them - if so how do we do it? /@Bob_A/ I'm not certain how integrated we can make the two sites but it is a possibility we've been talking about. /Penny/ A great Idea /ErinHalfelven/ we may not be able to do it like i want in drupal tho /Gwen/ Look at the pronouns Randalynn. It is not about TG and no I don't think that TG women are gay. Geeze give me a brake, ok. /Randalynn/ which pronouns, Gwen? /@Bob_A/ Gwen and Randalynn, can we please hold that topic for later? /Randalynn/ sure, Bob_A /Gwen/ They are all male to the end, "his breasts"...yadda, and he goes to his OGTA..see anything od there? /Scott/ If you can't do it the way you want Erin, maybe you could have a group of volunteers who could take the appropriate types of stories from BC and post them on SD? * bob_L ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /@Bob_A/ THe biggest problem is to get the new server up if the DSL folks can get their act together. /lmr/ I would volunteer to take part in any committee as suggested by Scott /Penny/ I would also volunteer my time /@Bob_A/ I'm certain that any problems after that can be worked out. We've got a good gaoup of folks that care abotu the sites. /Beverly/ what did you have in mind Dru? /ErinHalfelven/ bob, they are very annoyed about screw up with tech that came here, they are going to send a new tech, they'll call me back to tell me when /ErinHalfelven/ and scott, yeah, that would work :) /Randalynn/ Bob_A,Erin? will a log of this chat be posted on BC after it's completed? /@Bob_A/ that's good, Erin. I hope they roast the first tech. /Gwen/ We are invited here to listen to you talk "shop"? Where is the "content" part of this? /ErinHalfelven/ um? hadn't thought about it, do you want to do that? /@Bob_A/ I'm logging this. I'll leave where to put it up to Erin is she wants to make it available. /wolf-pup/ Are you talking about a PG SD and an NC17 BC? * Amelia ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Amelia/ [Joins the Chat Room] /@Bob_A/ hi Amelia /ErinHalfelven/ gwen, i just got here with news for bob and i've been on the phone since i got here /Randalynn/ my daughter just came home from a college tour trip /Scott/ Hi Amelia! /Randalynn/ need to go! /Amelia/ Hi all! /ErinHalfelven/ bye randalyn :) /Randalynn/ Bye, all -- and thanks for the entertaining conversation!! /Beverly/ bye Randalynn /@Bob_A/ bye Randalynn /wolf-pup/ Hi Amelia /@Bob_A/ Gwen, oart of this was to talk shop to some degree. Sorry if it got out of hand though. * Sephrena ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room * Randalynn ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Quitting!) /Amelia/ Any special topic being discussed? /@Bob_A/ hi Sephrena /ErinHalfelven/ what i want to know is what other sorts of changes in BC and or SD would people like to see? /Penny/ Hi sephrena /Dru/ We should be able to identify skill sets of various individuals, the time they are willing to commit and help take some of the burden from Bob, Erin and Beverly /Sephrena/ hi . back from hospital just now /Sephrena/ poo mom just left /Dru/ Hi Sephrena /Scott/ Hi Sephrena /Beverly/ Don't forget Sapphire also Dru! /Beverly/ Hi Seph! /@Bob_A/ just TopShelf, Stardust and TG sites in general, Amelia. /Sephrena/ hi :) /me hugs everyone /ErinHalfelven/ i should have Bev's place in the top menu. i did at one time but the link went sour /Dru/ Definately Saffphire and Crystal if she wants /Amelia/ Erin, I'd really like to see WYSIWYG story entry back at Big Closet. /Gwen/ Bob, I can't contribute to the techcno so I got Randalynn going.. sorry. /@Bob_A/ no problem, Gwen. /Beverly/ OOPS! Sorry Erin! It changed to a .ORG when someone grabbed my Com when i wasn't looking /@Bob_A/ I'm just glad we've got such a good turn-out of interested people tonight. /Gwen/ The room works pretty cool though..if that helps? /Beverly/ True. Dru /Shelley/ I can help with the tech side and do know some php programming /ErinHalfelven/ okay Amelia, i can do that by turning it on for people who ask for it, my problem with it was people were posting from msword into the wysiwyg and i had to spend hours cleaning posts up /Shelley/ word is not a good html editor /ErinHalfelven/ nope /Sephrena/ Hi beverly Hi Dru /ErinHalfelven/ oh, so that was the problem, bev :) /Beverly/ Yep. *blushes* /Shelley/ personnly I like Quanta plus but it is only for linux systems /Sephrena/ please. may i ask question? /Beverly/ I use HTML kit but only as a very basic tool /Amelia/ OK, thanks, Erin. I've figured out a pretty good way of using it at Stardust. /@Bob_A/ go ahead Sephrena /Dru/ could I suggest for the uninitiated that a posting be done as to what you need for posting, editing and proofing. Many of the stories could use a good proof /ErinHalfelven/ my servers all run on linux /Sephrena/ any archive maybe shut down? /ErinHalfelven/ dru, what should something like that say? /@Bob_A/ Well, I was planning on cloing Stardust but that seems a lot less likely now. /Beverly/ Non proofed stories have sometimes turned me off reading /@Bob_A/ I can't speak for the other sites, Sephrena. /ErinHalfelven/ sephrena, bob was talking about shutting stardust down but hes wavering :) /Scott/ Ooh let's push him some so he falls over! /Dru/ I thought he had already changed his mind and was keeping it up /Sephrena/ :( /ErinHalfelven/ yeah /chrisl/ A complaint about FM posters is that sometimes they change stories against authors wishes /Beverly/ NO! Don't push him! We have got him propped up now! /Amelia/ I don't think either Crystal or Sapphire are thinking of closing down, but you have to admit they are both far less active than before. * pule ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /pule/ [Joins the Chat Room] /ErinHalfelven/ bev, i've posted seversl times that stories should be proofed with lines between paras but you cant make people read instructions :) /@Bob_A/ hi pule /Gwen/ Ah the beauty of Pdf! /Shelley/ hi pule /Dru/ I'm not suggesting editing, just suggested typo and grammar changes /ErinHalfelven/ that's one reason i put the pdf loader in /pule/ hello all /Dru/ Hi pule /ErinHalfelven/ dru, i used to proof every story and fix major problems and even discuss with authors other changes, can't do it anymore, there are sometimes 20 or more stories a week going up /Sephrena/ erin. one problem BC not like is author list need made default for guest reader. when not log in no one select author list :(. /Amelia/ Unfortunately, I'm already proofing for about as many authors as I can handle. /Gwen/ I love it Erin...whatever makes the Pdf possible on your site...sweet! /ErinHalfelven/ okay, sphrena, i hear you /Sephrena/ author list not show if not log in i mean. /Sephrena/ i am sorry /ErinHalfelven/ yeah, i prever it to show up to, we were havin speed problems whih is why i turned thst off /chrisl/ Dru perhaps if volunteer proofers suggested changes to authors for approval before making them it would work in the self posting sites ? /ErinHalfelven/ i can give people editing priveleges (dome have them already) /Dru/ That's probably up to Erin and Bob /Beverly/ You still trust issues with some authors and just anyone proofing their stories /Dru/ I'm happy to help with it. Could probably do several a week. /Beverly/ oops i meant you have trust issues with some authors /ErinHalfelven/ bev, yes, and i dont want anyone making changes without approval /ErinHalfelven/ should i make a checkbox for authors "BC editors, please proof this" /chrisl/ well as gwen pointed out people who pst pdf can make them tamper proof very easily /@Bob_A/ I don't even make changes without talking to Erin first unless it's an emergency situation, Bev. /pule/ i would like to help proof but with disgrapha written english and i don't get along /ErinHalfelven/ most people with editing priveleges have a small list of authors they proof for /ErinHalfelven/ they also serve who only read and enjoy, pule :) /pule/ but i like most stories on your sites /@Bob_A/ just make comments to the authors on stories you've enjoyed. /ErinHalfelven/ gwen, mostly i thought you needed the pdfs :) you and jezzi /@Bob_A/ That helps a LOT. /Scott/ The checkbox idea sounds good Erin, I personally would not like having someone go in to edit my work like that but I always have my stuff edited before posting /ErinHalfelven/ yeah, i kind of like it myself :) /ErinHalfelven/ i think i could do it so only editors would see it /Amelia/ That would work for me -- on the rare occasion I have a chance to proof something online. /ErinHalfelven/ i could also turn on revisioning so authors could ask me to revert a story they didn't like the edit of /Gwen/ Well Erin, I am a "needy" person. Whatever your motivation I am going to use that little gift. All you need is Acrobet Exchange and then let your mind run free. Well in my case quasi free. :) /chrisl/ Erin thats good - kinda like wikipedia :) /ErinHalfelven/ yeah /Dru/ free enough /ErinHalfelven/ free, or at least cheap :) /Sephrena/ Erin. please about blog to. not like how blog entry so far bottom page when start :( /Gwen/ Hey, it costa a lot to be as cheap as I am! (Paraphrase of Dolly PArton) /ErinHalfelven/ um, well? on the blogs, stories are what the site is about /Beverly/ One thing that i think needs to be kept in mind are the younger TG persons that are looking for support on the web /Sephrena/ default page maybe have blog list on side show level left side page? /Penny/ Crazy Idea - can you do a seperate page for blogs /ErinHalfelven/ bev, that's true, but the best i can really do is offer links to other sites /Sephrena/ erin maybe libel if post factual stuff and someone get hurt /Beverly/ I think we also have an obligation to sites that are in line with what is more contemporary looking and accesable /ErinHalfelven/ sephrena, again, that kind of thing slows sstuff down, the side list /chrisl/ Bev there are a few really good support groups on the web a resource to point to them might be enough /Beverly/ Yes i have tried also Erin /Sephrena/ i m sorry erin. /ErinHalfelven/ it's okay sephrena, i may turn the blog and forum listings on the side back on, but they will still be down the page because of the comment listings /ErinHalfelven/ author lists are now back on by default /Shelley/ I thought that BoB's idea for SD was such that parents could let their young ones go to read TG Fiction as it would be filtered /Dru/ It's still a great site - don't make it too cluttered /Sephrena/ Bc most author friendly site /@Bob_A/ There are still things on Sd that probably aren't good for kids to read, Shelley. /ErinHalfelven/ i try sephrena :) * ChrisW ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Gwen/ What is the future of this technology? Damn it! /ChrisW/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Sephrena/ :) /Sephrena/ hi chris /ErinHalfelven/ chris! hi! /Dru/ Hi ChrisW /ChrisW/ Hi Sephrena /@Bob_A/ hi ChrisW /ChrisW/ Hi Bob /Penny/ Hi Chris /ErinHalfelven/ someone told me you were in the hospital? /Sephrena/ chris get back from hospital day ago /ChrisW/ Dru /ChrisW/ Penny /Sephrena/ i go hospital today /ErinHalfelven/ ow /ChrisW/ yuppers I was /Penny/ As for as my kids, I read to them what I think is appro. /ErinHalfelven/ you both okay? /ChrisW/ had a heart attack Saturday night /Gwen/ Hi ChrisW... /ChrisW/ I /Beverly/ Personally Erin some of the content on BC is making it seem cluttered /ChrisW/ 'm /Dru/ From personal experience that's not good /ChrisW/ alive /Beverly/ hiyas chris /@Bob_A/ Gwen, I'm certain that BCTS and Sd will survive. Erin and I are exploring the options to make things better. It just takes some time. /ChrisW/ how do we make it load faster? /ErinHalfelven/ bev, I try to keep it from getting TOO cluttered... a little clutter is good, you should see my room :) /Beverly/ Like a fine whine and a good cheez, it takes time /@Bob_A/ we're still working on that, Chris. /Dru/ Can't be worse than my desk :) /Shelley/ hey it is a closet and all closets are cluttered :) /ErinHalfelven/ chris, the main problem is the database thrashing /ChrisW/ a less cluttered front page ? /ErinHalfelven/ maybe if i can upgrade drupal some of that will go away /Gwen/ I was wondering a bit wider than that Bob, but I am pleased to know and recognize what you and Erin do here, every day. /ChrisW/ set up as a link page /Shelley/ Erin is drupal that hard on the database? /Beverly/ My personal request for BC is to make the Print Friendly option more accessable at the top of the story pages /Sephrena/ maybe someone know way in like do on BC classic. hack in and clutter spam comment /ErinHalfelven/ wider than what, gwen? /ChrisW/ Ditto Beverly /ErinHalfelven/ sephrena, i removed 7000 pieces of spam on BCC the other day :) /Amelia/ I agree, Beverly. /wolf-pup/ I really like the Live Bookmarks as a quick way to see what's new. /Beverly/ I always save any stories into TXT format for easier reading on my PDA and such /Sephrena/ that slow server if lot build up /Gwen/ The whole internet "authoring" venue..for this genre. /ErinHalfelven/ no one has spammed BCTS since bob and i got the spam filters working /ErinHalfelven/ pup, live bookmarks? /ChrisW/ the only thing I like about Crystals site is the fron page .... why can't it be done here? /ErinHalfelven/ ah * Scotty ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Scotty/ [Joins the Chat Room] /ChrisW/ Hi Scotty /Shelley/ erin,bob do you run a seperate server for MySql? that would speed things up a bit /Scotty/ Hi Chris /wolf-pup/ Yeah, I set them up a long time ago from links on the site.. /ErinHalfelven/ well if sapphire, crystal et all showed up we could discuss more, but bev is here :) /@Bob_A/ That's one of the things we've been exploring, Shelly. No not yet however. /ErinHalfelven/ ah, okay. pup, you know there is an rss feed on the site? /Gwen/ I don't know Erin, reason for question. What can one do with "passion" but without a mainstream audience? /ErinHalfelven/ gwen i'm not sure i undeer stand that last comment /Beverly/ Huh? Me? /ErinHalfelven/ hi scotty /wolf-pup/ Yep, it's http://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/node/feed and works great with Firefox Erin. *Shelley* hi /Scotty/ Hi Erin /ErinHalfelven/ chris w, i hate crystals front page, maybe that's why mine doesnt look like that :) /Beverly/ OOOH! I agree Erin /Dru/ cat claws are coming out /wolf-pup/ I call RSS Livebookmarks because that's what Firefox calls them. * Sephrena ducks /ChrisW/ I'm talking about the way it loads easy * rachel ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /ErinHalfelven/ i want to see what the new stories and comments aare, first /Gwen/ Well, TG types write incessantly, often badly but they write. How does one harness that energy and maybe BC is the answer to that question but something is missing. * Sephrena hugs Rachel /Penny/ Erin - you don't want your picture up for all to see? /ChrisW/ :)) /ErinHalfelven/ chrisw, it loads easy cause it has nothing on it, it's static /ChrisW/ ?Oh? OK /Scotty/ I have never had a problem with any of the sites other than FM loading /ErinHalfelven/ i can put up a static home page, i guess, actually, if you go to just bigclosetr.us, i have one /Penny/ I've only tried to get into FM a few times. It was confusing and I gave up. /Beverly/ FM is heavily bogged down by it's own weight /ChrisW/ FM is home of the reload key /Scotty/ lol /Dru/ FM is impossible to search and is consumed with forced fem /Beverly/ As BC is starting to be, sorry Erin :kiss: /ChrisW/ too many one handed stories yuck! /ErinHalfelven/ BC gets about 2700 visitors a day, about 11-13000 page loads /wolf-pup/ Erin/Bob what if you shut the site down to defrag the databases a certain time each week? /Penny/ I guess that a good reason to stay away from FM /Scotty/ I hit BC about once a day, and Stardust the same /Scotty/ I have almost given up on Sapphires /Beverly/ yes and it is great so far it is just that it is now more recently getting longer and longer to load /Sephrena/ i responsible 21 -27 bc page hit daily /ChrisW/ I'm sad about bob closing his site /Beverly/ Sapphire just updated today /Gwen/ What should a site be "consumed" with? /ErinHalfelven/ um? pup, that might work but i'm not sure how to set it up /@Bob_A/ Chris, it may stay open. More to come as the details get worked out. /wolf-pup/ I'm a Windoze geek, not sure about Linux :( /ErinHalfelven/ i get complaints that all of BC is stories about underage children :) /Scotty/ I like Bevs Balcony, but have ran into too many dead ends while there /rachel/ where is the system bottleneck? /Beverly/ Sorry Scotty! /ErinHalfelven/ actual count is less than 1/4 of stories are about kids /Dru/ We all think we're underage so we can still change /Beverly/ time and RL has taken it's toll on the Balcony /Scotty/ I love the graphics on your site Beverly /Beverly/ Thanx to the artists /ChrisW/ yupper I miss 8 Dragons /ErinHalfelven/ rchel, the sys bottleneck is now the database /rachel/ mysql? /ErinHalfelven/ it used to be processor speed but we got that licked /ErinHalfelven/ yes, rachel /Beverly/ She hasn't gotten back to 8 dragons for some time due to RL last i spoke to Rebekkah /Sephrena/ :( /ChrisW/ what happened to the one you had there? /rachel/ ok, so what symptoms? do you see high load averages or iowait figures, or high cpu usage numbers for mysql? /ErinHalfelven/ pup, i can look it up, its a good idea /Scotty/ there are alot of stories I would love to see continued /wolf-pup/ Actually if BC and SD were mirror sites, you could have one up while the other is defragging..? /ErinHalfelven/ rachel, mostly i see people complaining that it loads slow :) /rachel/ which isn't terribly informative /Scotty/ neither one loads slow for me /rachel/ there's about a hundred things that could be /wolf-pup/ I'm really Computer/PC Savvy, but in the Windows realm, Operating systems and hardware. /ErinHalfelven/ i could do the defrag at 2 am pacific, we reboot the machine each night at that time now /rachel/ personally i wonder if there aren't too many widgets and gizmos running alongside the actual content /Scott/ I have never had a problem with BC loading slow either /Beverly/ While this chat has been mostly concerning SD closing and BC issues, I have felt some encouragement to keep my site going /wolf-pup/ Beveryly, which is your site? /Beverly/ Beverly's Balcony /Sephrena/ please beverly keep site /Dru/ There is a little delay but normally nothing to be concerned about /ErinHalfelven/ rachel, yeah but when i leave some off i get complaints about that :) i've actually tweakedd the code for speed in places /Shelley/ yes please do Beverly /Sephrena/ important have different site /ChrisW/ What close Big Closet I might as well shoot myself /rachel/ so you have a heavily hacked old drupal you can't upgrade from? :-P /wolf-pup/ Can you give me the url? I'm not familiar with it.. /ErinHalfelven/ no chris :) /Dru/ Beverly - keep the site /Scotty/ BC and Stardust are the only places I have a story posted /Beverly/ www.bevsbalcony.org /Scotty/ I hope both stay open /Sephrena/ tanya have post there to /Scotty/ I actually have more to post too /ErinHalfelven/ rachel, well, no the problem is when we upgrade, it stops working -- havent had time to figure out why /rachel/ i wonder if it's not just your upstream bandwidth from your hosting provider being throttled /ErinHalfelven/ nope, rachel, we got tons of bw /wolf-pup/ Got it, thanks! /ErinHalfelven/ 3000 gig per month /Sephrena/ beverly link at top of BC page /Beverly/ huh? /rachel/ ErinHalfelven: yeah, but how much per *second*? :-) /Sephrena/ i make mistake not there /Sephrena/ need be there /Scotty/ She means a link to your site is up top /Scotty/ ahh /Sephrena/ i thought was there /@Bob_A/ i think the max is 10 MBits per second, rachel /ErinHalfelven/ i forget the number, but its fast and i never peg it as is /rachel/ yeah /@Bob_A/ we barely use a tenth of that. /Sephrena/ erin can beverly have link top bc page to her site? /rachel/ sounds reasonable /ErinHalfelven/ yes sephrena, i used to have one but it broke, so i'll put it back now :) /@Bob_A/ The problem is the size of teh database and the processing needed to generate the pages. /Beverly/ Oh dear you all are going to make me cry. /Sephrena/ :) * Sephrena hugs Beverly /rachel/ hm /rachel/ theoretically drupal can run on postgresql /Beverly/ Now I HAVE to try to get the site updated. * ChrisW Huggels Beverly /rachel/ which is the more powerful dbms for bigger systems /rachel/ maybe not on that old version though /rachel/ and it wasn't obvious how to do it for the newer one, when i was setting up /rachel/ so i didn't, as i just wanted it up :-} * Melanie ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Melanie/ [Joins the Chat Room] /ErinHalfelven/ yeah, i had that problem too, rachel /@Bob_A/ hi Melanie /Sephrena/ hi melanie /Scotty/ Hello malanie /Shelley/ do you run the site on a raid disk? if you use the right setup it can speed things up too /Dru/ Hi Melanie /Melanie/ hello /pule/ hello melanie /rachel/ it's a problem, loads of sites use mysql because it's so easy, then they start having problems because it doesn't scale. it's a bit clown-shoes /ErinHalfelven/ but postgrsql is faster than mysql at some things, slower at others /Melanie/ hi all /@Bob_A/ wow! 19 people in the room. A great turn-out tonight! /ErinHalfelven/ umm, scaling is a problem /rachel/ unfortunately don't know enough mysql to know what to do about it /Gwen/ Only three know what the "F" you are talking about though. /Shelley/ :P /Scotty/ lol /rachel/ except optimise indexes - maybe some have gone missing /Penny/ well, maybe 3 and 1/2 /ChrisW/ if Scalling is a rpoblem use a good anti foulling paint :) /Gwen/ Sorry, I was expecting Prince charming you know! /Dru/ wrong chat room /Gwen/ Exactly /Shelley/ prince charmming =/ princess charmming /rachel/ certainly i don't think the answer should be to do drastic things like fork the site or whatever you were considering. /ErinHalfelven/ lol /ChrisW/ Geeks got to love them (hug) /ChrisW/ they make the WWW the WWW /ErinHalfelven/ well i just added bev's balcony to top menu, someone go try it :) /Gwen/ Still, my answer to my earlier question is "Readers" ! /Dru/ They do keep the site running /Shelley/ yes Gwen? /Penny/ Yes Chris W, without the geeks we would still be living in caves. /Scotty/ http://bigclosetr.us/topshelf/weblink/goto/199 /Scotty/ no workey /rachel/ 16 seconds with a blank window saying "waiting for bigclosetr.us. yeah, that's a problem /ErinHalfelven/ what question was that, gwen? * Shelley fan of all authors * tosa ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /tosa/ [Joins the Chat Room] /@Bob_A/ hi tosa /Scotty/ hello Tosa /pule/ no go erin /ErinHalfelven/ hi tosa /Dru/ I got page can /Scotty/ I got the link I posted above /ErinHalfelven/ dru ??? /ChrisW/ bad link Erin /Dru/ sorry, page can't be displayed when I tried to go to Bev's /ChrisW/ ditto /chrisl/ link above is ok /pule/ same /rachel/ and the weblink didn't work. just a blank window with the above url /Scotty/ yep /Dru/ Just and interested reader who decided to get involved. /tosa/ Thought I'd pop in, re-editing is a pain. If I made less errors in the first plce, but oh well /ErinHalfelven/ okay, i fix /Gwen/ It was the obsevation that your site was "Consumed by" what, oh, forced femme Erin. /Sephrena/ hi tosa /Gwen/ What should it be consummed by? was my question. /ErinHalfelven/ oh that :) /ErinHalfelven/ not my site, but fm, was the comment /Gwen/ Well, the answer to my question was "readers".. :) /ChrisW/ Erin link is up and works /ErinHalfelven/ good cris, thanks /Scotty/ yep /Scott/ I was gonna say that Gwen ... really ... /Scotty/ I had a time finding the proper chat window to tell you it works though /ErinHalfelven/ i think randalyn may have thought your question was um sarcasm /Scotty/ hey! /Scotty/ Good name Scott, and hello /Gwen/ Your sites should be consummed by readers...don't bait me Erin... LOL! /Sephrena/ i think was to /Scott/ Hi Scotty /ChrisW/ you spred you self intoi to many chat rooms Scoty /tosa/ FM has some nice stuff but TOO much forced fem for my taste but them I don't like a steady diet of negativity. /tosa/ sorry, I type S L O W /ErinHalfelven/ scott, scotty, scotty scott, if ye can say tis a braw bricht moonlicht nicht then ye're all richt /ChrisW/ I wish Tanya would add to Tango-Golf Cop /ErinHalfelven/ gwen :) /tosa/ Hear hear!! /tosa/ on Tango Golf the is /Gwen/ Of course that takes technology... /ErinHalfelven/ "she hit me with technology" /tosa/ I think they meant the story not the character /ChrisW/ tech noodle gee? /Dru/ She's just jealous :) /Gwen/ Oh great, comedian nerds... how low can I sink? /tosa/ tech noodle gee, that sounds like one of my typos /ChrisW/ a new form of Ramon /ErinHalfelven/ as in eating Ramon? /Gwen/ Can't you people focus? /ChrisW/ yuppers /tosa/ can you get it in beef flavor /Dru/ focus on what? /ErinHalfelven/ sure its not Eating Raoul? /ErinHalfelven/ or perhaps gilbert grape? /Amelia/ I prefer to eat ragout. ;-) /ErinHalfelven/ hey, i've got add, so i've got an excuse for being unfocussed :) /Dru/ So, Bob do you want to summarize where we are in our discussion /@Bob_A/ When you're as old as I am it's hard to focus on anything either with my e3yes or my brain. Sorry, Gwen. /wolf-pup/ We better wrap this up the second chat is going to be starting in 5 minutes... /wolf-pup/ :) /ChrisW/ look up Add and you see a picture of me /tosa/ what ARE we talking about, This is as off the wall as some of the Timeout stuff I'm working Please NO canibal jokes; we're tring to live down Ed Gein and Jeff Dalhmer here.on /Gwen/ Dru... Surely you realize that the world is waiting for this forum on TG ....oh ...what is it ...oh no no name for it! /ErinHalfelven/ second chat, same as the first, "I'm hennery the 8th, i am..." /rachel/ to venture bravely on-topic, don't change the basic format of the site. Change the look as much as you like. In particular i think it could do with *looking* sparser, there's a lot of distraction. But the way the site works, policies of submission etc., they're working. Don't mess with them /@Bob_A/ Well, the news is that Stardust will likely sirvive, Just how is to be determined.. /tosa/ That was sooo sixties Erin * rachel referring to BC not SD /ChrisW/ yuppie /ErinHalfelven/ I've added white space around the story posts /Gwen/ You need professional help Erin. /@Bob_A/ Erin's in teh process of doing her own server to try to improve BCTS and her other sites. /ErinHalfelven/ that's why i have bob, gwen /ErinHalfelven/ :) /Gwen/ Good choice Erin! /Gwen/ Poor Bob! /ErinHalfelven/ i'm too sixties for my shirt! /ChrisW/ Rest in paece! /tosa/ Yeah Bob! Oh, I agree, too much bells-and-whistles is distracting Think TV weather, burrr! /@Bob_A/ and I'm just headed for sixty. Never mind any shirts. /Gwen/ Is this when they bring in all the handsome princes? /Amelia/ Young sprouts! /tosa/ Degrees or years? /rachel/ in your dreams :-P /ErinHalfelven/ or the princely hansoms? /Scotty/ I'm half fo 60 /wolf-pup/ I do think the interface to a novice can be confusing at first. /ChrisW/ I'm getting closer to 60 then I want to /Gwen/ Damn, where did I kick that glass slipper? /@Bob_A/ I'm 53 and damned surprised I made it that far. /ChrisW/ t minus 12 years and counting * Shelley stole Gwen's slipper /tosa/ I'm 49, that's not old, there were TWO satalites in orbit the night I was born. /ChrisW/ how depressing! /ErinHalfelven/ pup, i think BC is easier to navigate than FM or SS or SP but what do i know :) /Amelia/ I'm probably the old maid here. ;) /wolf-pup/ I'll be 42 in 15 days... /Sephrena/ i 40 most probably not live make 50 /Amelia/ I just turned 66. /Gwen/ It has to fit Shelley better.. wear it in good health! /rachel/ good god, am i the youngest here? /ErinHalfelven/ amelia, you win :) /tosa/ Sephrena, that sounded very Yoda /Scotty/ how old are you rachel? /chrisl/ i am 50 as of the 1st nov /rachel/ under 40 /Scotty/ you are older than my mom Chris /Dru/ Rachel - don't feel bad as you can see we all have matured well - 55 /Scotty/ me too /pule/ i am 32 /Sephrena/ tosa. everyone know i have speak handicap /Scotty/ I turend 30 this year /Shelley/ /= 42 /rachel/ ah, i'm not the youngest then /rachel/ /-- 38 /Beverly/ gotta go everyone! 4am comes early here. * Randalynn ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /@Bob_A/ Just a goofy question. Is there any value in trying to do something like this chat on a weekly basis? /Sephrena/ if type very slow can make look proper. /Shelley/ nite beverly /ErinHalfelven/ bye bev, thanks for coming by /Sephrena/ hi mom /ChrisW/ nighty nitr Beverly /tosa/ 49 chronologocally, mentally I tink I'm stuck in my teens /Dru/ By Bev * Sephrena hugs randalynn /Randalynn/ hi, Sephy! /Scotty/ Bye Bev /Scott/ 4 am comes early everywhere doesn't it? Bye Bev. /rachel/ tbh i'm only up this late because a friend is also up in another server/channel fretting about her interview with the us consulate to...day /@Bob_A/ nite Bev * ChrisW Huggels Beverly /wolf-pup/ Bye Bev * Randalynn hugs Sephy /Beverly/ a huge thanx to everyone who came to chat /ErinHalfelven/ lol, bob /Sephrena/ mom you right about gwen /Shelley/ wb Randalynn /ErinHalfelven/ nite bev /Sephrena/ he did same thing when you leave /Randalynn/ thanks, Shelley /Dru/ Bob - it would be entertaining and we might accomplish something' /Beverly/ oh Erin double check the link you put for the Balcony i keep getting a page not found on it /Scotty/ I would come by for them /Amelia/ At least once a month would be good, I think. /Dru/ it worked for me - you may need to refresh your page /Scotty/ try refreshing Bev /ErinHalfelven/ bev, i fixed it, maybe you need to relaod page? /ChrisW/ Bob are you ever going to updat your Zapped site? /tosa/ OOOh Randalynn, hows Stark? /@Bob_A/ maybe, Chris. All the chapters are on Stardust though. /wolf-pup/ When I asked about it, I was generally wondering if the chat rooms were used any old time aside from regularly sched chats /ChrisW/ and in my hard drive /ErinHalfelven/ love the art bev, wish i could draw like that /ChrisW/ and on CD's /Scotty/ are you going to keep Stardust up? /ChrisW/ I love the art work in 8 dragons that was in here site ... I don't know why she pulled it! /@Bob_A/ The chances are pretty good for that, Scotty. There are some things that need to be resolved though. /ChrisW/ here = her /Scotty/ cool /tosa/ Bev's site is nice but it makes me have lustful dreams of broadband /Scotty/ lol /Randalynn/ Starks' fine, toas. *grins* thanks for asking! /Randalynn/ tosa /tosa/ V92 and slow as glue /Beverly/ teehee! YES! Another one caught in the net of broadband /ChrisW/ some times when you are trying to find a story the links run off the page /Scotty/ last test for me was 3400/900 roughly /tosa/ Need more Stark, villans need bashing, I need better grammar /Beverly/ yeah a work in progress sorry folks /Beverly/ i just have to be different /ChrisW/ i luv's my highspeed cable /rachel/ talking of which, is anyone else here doing nanowrimo this year? /Scotty/ I really like your site Beverly, I mean it /Dru/ Bev, That makes you special - go to bed /ChrisW/ ditto Bev /ErinHalfelven/ rachel, i am doing nanowrimo /tosa/ My siste got a 'choke" cell phone, I guess I could pony-up for DSL or cable /rachel/ coo /Shelley/ rachel... nano..?? what? /rachel/ i actually now know someone else who's doing it /rachel/ how many words? /Beverly/ give me a bit Chris to go back and check all of the older links and bring everything up to current design specs /rachel/ i'm lagging but only a bit: 10315 /ChrisW/ cable is better then dsl /ErinHalfelven/ the story is called "Pinkie's Ring" it's magic/scifi/supers /tosa/ Even weiner, I maen Warner /Shelley/ depends were you are Chris /ChrisW/ K bev thank you (huggs) /Scotty/ here dsl is better /rachel/ "Game Theory" - also some magic :-) /Beverly/ again thanx everyone you made a huge difference for me and the Balcony. nite i promise this time /Scotty/ faster upload, and faster download too /ErinHalfelven/ i'm only at 4000 :) three false starts /ErinHalfelven/ nine nite bev /tosa/ Here DSL is THE NEW AT&T gack! /Scotty/ goodnight Bev /Scotty/ pleasant dreams /Randalynn/ niters, Bev * Beverly ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /Shelley/ nite bev /Gwen/ Night Bev /chrisl/ nighty night bev /chrisl/ tfs /Scotty/ 7 chat windows....... /Amelia/ Go for the cable, Tosa. /ErinHalfelven/ okay so i've got votes for putting more stuff on the main page and making it less cluttered :) /rachel/ no! don't put *more* stuff on the front page! /tosa/ But is it compatable with my turntable? /ErinHalfelven/ lol /Scotty/ I dont mind your format at all /Scott/ there you have it Erin - democracy at its best :) /Randalynn/ i like the format, too /Scotty/ its really easy to see what is newest /rachel/ i like the format, but i think it could use the attention of a Real Designer :-) /tosa/ More andd less clttered, sounds like a pre-election pole /wolf-pup/ Make it understandable to someone who's never seen it before. I vote less... /Scotty/ and the newer ones get their fair share of reads /ErinHalfelven/ um rachel, does three years of design class in college count? /ChrisW/ I wish I could move some stuff from the left collum to the right /Gwen/ Erin, it is time for an "Executive" decision ! We obviously have no clue so do something that suits you! /Shelley/ The catagories side bar is not easy to navigate /Dru/ Erin, can it be set up so that we automatically sign in when we log on to the site? /ChrisW/ this way the page is even /ErinHalfelven/ dru, that is a browser problem, the site is set up for that to work /rachel/ Dru: should already work, if you have cookies enabled /Scott/ It depends Erin, 3 years of Interior Design probably is not very useful in this case /tosa/ I have two dregrees in Economics, which means I can;t do anything /tosa/ or typ well /ErinHalfelven/ grapic design :) /ErinHalfelven/ graphic /Dru/ graphic design- cool :0 /ChrisW/ hey I'm a disabled Truck Driver ! /Sephrena/ please not use java or flash graphic /ErinHalfelven/ i didn't do a heavy design layout because that would leave less room and load slower * Cindy ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Cindy/ hi all /ErinHalfelven/ hi cindy /Shelley/ hi cindy /Sephrena/ hi cindy :) /Dru/ Hi Cindy /Scott/ Hi Cindy /Cindy/ hi Erin /Cindy/ hi Shelly /Cindy/ Hi Sephrena /Cindy/ hi Dru /wolf-pup/ Hello Cindy * Aardvark ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Aardvark/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Cindy/ hi Scott /Scotty/ I am working on a degree in computer technology through Purdue university /Amelia/ Hi Cindy! /Cindy/ hi Wolf /ErinHalfelven/ hi aardvark :) /wolf-pup/ Hello Aardvark /Cindy/ hi Amelia /Randalynn/ hi, CIndy /Shelley/ hi Aardvark /Scotty/ Hi Cindy and Aardvark /Sephrena/ Prudence_U ? /tosa/ You load okay on a V92 dial-up as of yet /Cindy/ hi scotty /Aardvark/ Hi all /Randalynn/ hey, Aardvark! /Dru/ Hi Aardvark * chrisl ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: 'Oh Bother!' said the Borg, as they assimilated Pooh.) /ChrisW/ Hi Aardvark /Amelia/ Hi Aardvark. /Scott/ Hi Aardvark /Melanie/ Hi Aardvark /Sephrena/ hi Aard /tosa/ Akk! An ant eater! /Gwen/ Oh Erin be really daring use phallic design! Doesne't even matter how you spell it ! LOL! /Scotty/ Purdue University, it's a pretty well known one in West Lafayette IN /pule/ hi aardvark /Cindy/ MsDayna is not here tonight? /ErinHalfelven/ she was earlier cindy /Gwen/ Scotty, I thought that was a chicken farm? /ErinHalfelven/ or maybe her ghost /Scotty/ nope /wolf-pup/ Anyone here used to use Feminet BBS? I always like the high-heeled shoe graphic /Scotty/ there is another one that Piper has up /Gwen/ Oh, sorry. /Scotty/ tgfiction.net /ErinHalfelven/ i think feminet was where mindy used to hang out :) /tosa/ Sorry termites. Any word on your Bot C Doctor Who? he asked Aardvark WAY off topic /wolf-pup/ Mindy...was the the Closet BBS Sis-op? /wolf-pup/ Hidden Closet I think.. /Aardvark/ On the back burner while I finish off Warrior, tosa. /ErinHalfelven/ mindy is founder of FM /Cindy/ Randalynn: PM ? /ChrisW/ out of the Closet? /wolf-pup/ I've been doing this too long... /Randalynn/ PM, CIndy? /Sephrena/ please. no more crudeness or joke about people here. stick to topic stuff no slander /Cindy/ giggles /wolf-pup/ Oh..ok...I don't know all the website owner names. /Cindy/ of course /ErinHalfelven/ bob asked earleir, would people like a chat scheduled once a week perhaps? /Cindy/ PM = private message /Sephrena/ yes /Shelley/ wolf... half the people here probable don't even know what a BBS is :) /ChrisW/ "OH MY" heck yes!! /Randalynn/ i'm not up on my abbreviations. *grins* /Dru/ weekly would be good /wolf-pup/ Shelley, there was some stories on the BBS' that I've never seen again../sigh/ /ChrisW/ Tuesday nights are great /Gwen/ Lets keep it that way.. who cares what a BBS is anyway? /ChrisW/ nothing on TV /ErinHalfelven/ need to schedule them different times because people can't all meet at the same time /Amelia/ Announced topics would be good. /ErinHalfelven/ so what would be a good topic for next time? /ChrisW/ Big Beautifull Sweethearts /Penny/ i can't plan more than a week ahead anyway :-) /tosa/ bullettin board service /Sephrena/ bbs = bulletin board system /Gwen/ That is a law of Physics Erin. :) /Scotty/ well, I gotta get to bed /ErinHalfelven/ "I canna change the laws of physics, laws of physics, laws of physics, gwen" /Scotty/ see you all next week at this time * Sephrena hugs Scotty /Gwen/ Can't even agree on what BBS means can we? :) /wolf-pup/ BBS were when modems were slow and the internet was still a College thing. /ErinHalfelven/ night scotty * Scotty ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /ChrisW/ 22:20 your time Scotty /Sephrena/ please have good night Scotty! konban wa /wolf-pup/ Bye Scotty /tosa/ weekends are nice for chats here in The Frozen Tundra /@Bob_A/ How about a "Talk with an Author" night if we can find a few suckers.... ah... authors to participate? /Gwen/ Beam me up Scotty? :) /ErinHalfelven/ dung ban the /Shelley/ anytime for me... /Randalynn/ i for one would love to get together with some of the other authors for regular chats /rachel/ Bob_A: heh /ErinHalfelven/ you volunteering bob? :) /Penny/ Good Bob /Sephrena/ gwen . is possible for you resist make fun of other ? /@Bob_A/ not me, Erin. I'm out of the author business for a while. /rachel/ you mean "try to get the author to give spoilers' night? /Randalynn/ lol /ErinHalfelven/ sephrena, what are you talking about? /Scott/ I think that would be great Bob /Randalynn/ more like, how do you work? what writing strategies work for you? /Amelia/ I like the idea of author chats. /Randalynn/ nuts and bolts sort of things /Sephrena/ please pm me erin /Melanie/ is there a strategy to writing? /Amelia/ I *might* be able to get Julie O to do one. /tosa/ Um, do I --John in Wauwatosa --count as an author or a hack or not that high yet? /Randalynn/ well, writers have their own ways of doing what they do /Gwen/ No Sephrena that is my charm, I say things you cope an attitude, see, fun? /rachel/ "Start at the beginning, continue until you get stuck, and start again"? /Dru/ Julie O would be good /Randalynn/ lol rachel /Shelley/ puting pen to paper works too /Randalynn/ i think you qualify, JOhn /rachel/ "Make a great plan, but halfway through act 1 get a better idea"? /Amelia/ No two authors that I've worked with have the same startegies. /Melanie/ you use paper? I like the computer better * Ave ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: ) /tosa/ Steal, steal, steal, um oops? /ErinHalfelven/ i dont even have the same strategy as myself :) /@Bob_A/ Plan? WHAT PLAN? /ErinHalfelven/ night ave /Scott/ I usually work until I slump over the keyboard and then spend half the next day deleting the hhhhhhhhhhh /Aardvark/ John in W... You are an author. Julio O is a legend. /rachel/ Bob_A: ahem. i ain't seen no plans around here /Randalynn/ i've written both ways, and they each work well --although the handwritten version gets mauled on it's way to the computer /Shelley/ I was getting too much liquid paper on my screen so I switched to paper /Penny/ I do most of my writing on my PDA, /tosa/ Where as I am a ledgend in my own mind /wolf-pup/ I gotta get going..Nip/Tuck is on Tivo :) /tosa/ nite zzzzzzz /Cindy/ ni ni wolf /@Bob_A/ Must be hard with that screen so small. How do you get the letters you write so tiny, Penny? /Amelia/ You're not too shabby yourslef, Aardvark. /@Bob_A/ bye wolf-pup /Melanie/ I like to write from the seat of my pants...a little hard to read though /ErinHalfelven/ nite pup /rachel/ Melanie: but your bum gets good exercise? /Aardvark/ Quote I copied: "You have no idea what a poor opinion I have of myself and how little I deserve it." /Melanie/ true /Randalynn/ OMG!! It's my Mom's birthday ... i need to call her STAT /tosa/ Tell me about it, sometime Timeout is as it was on paper but usually it changes big time /Gwen/ Nite pup.. /wolf-pup/ /howing goodnight/ /Randalynn/ brb /ChrisW/ I forget what I was going to write before I do so :( /ErinHalfelven/ lol, randalyn /Penny/ zoom in small and use reading glasses. * wolf-pup ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: ) /tosa/ Call, I miss my mom /Scott/ Speaking of small, is there anyway to make th text in the chat window bigger? /Cindy/ this is quite a distinguished group of people here tonight /rachel/ Scott: use a real irc client? /Randalynn/ on the phone with her now /Melanie/ bye * Melanie ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /Scott/ um, dunno Rachel, I just clicked it and it started /@Bob_A/ I'll look into it before the next session, Scott. Nothing I know of at the moment, sorry. /ErinHalfelven/ bye melanie /ErinHalfelven/ scott, that depends on your chat client /Cindy/ missed her, by thatt.... much /tosa/ Maxwell Smart /rachel/ easy way: use firefox, add the Chatzilla extension, persuade Erin to put a secondary link on the page of the form irc://starstuff.ralabs.com/Main_Room and click on it :-) /Scott/ I just use the Java thingie that popped up - not real chat savvy here /Shelley/ I have said my tech bit...... I would like to compliment all the authors here are their hard work... keep it up /ChrisW/ I second ythe motion /Cindy/ amen Shelley /tosa/ Speak so cretin in tosa can understand, me Java tonight /Dru/ ditto /ChrisW/ all in favor say eye! /Dru/ aye /Shelley/ and a hearty good night to all /ChrisW/ opposed? /tosa/ Work, well the yping is, the writing is FUN! /Randalynn/ thank you, Shelley /ChrisW/ the aye's have it /Cindy/ ni ni Shelley /tosa/ typing, I think I am the World's wost typoist and I;m so wordy, Aaarrrg! /Penny/ I thought that the eyes were above the nose. /Scott/ Okay I worked around it by lowering my screen rez * Shelley ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /ErinHalfelven/ bob set up the chat /Aardvark/ You've got me be a mile, John. :) /ErinHalfelven/ night shelly /@Bob_A/ Scott, log out then refresh teh chat page then log back in. I made an adjustment. /Scott/ Okay * Dru ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) * Scott ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) /Gwen/ night Shelley and thanks to Bob, /Cindy/ thanks to Bob /tosa/ teh from are two of my favorite typos * barnold ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /barnold/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Gwen/ Rehi Bob? /Cindy/ twin Bobs * Dru ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room * Dru ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) * barnold ([email protected]) Quit (Leaving: Leaving the chat room.) * ScottRamsey ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /ScottRamsey/ [Joins the Chat Room] /Amelia/ wb Scott /Cindy/ wb scott /@Bob_A/ Don't know how much that helped. /Gwen/ Rehi Scott? /ScottRamsey/ Yes it's me - I fixed my name /@Bob_A/ Did that help any Scott? /tosa/ maybe a chat on tricks to better techincal writing. I'm lots better since Amelia and other suffers sent help and later Itinerant took the knife to the guts and proofed for me * Dru ([email protected]) has joined #Main_Room /Dru/ [Joins the Chat Room] /ScottRamsey/ It's still really small but I usually run at 1600x1200 rez so I bumoed it down /Cindy/ wb Dru /@Bob_A/ I'll work with it later and maybe post another link on the chat page for larger type. /Aardvark/ Tyrone Slothrop and I used to IRQ a lot about writing quite a bit. It was fun. /tosa/ small fonts are merely nature's way of saying your getting old /tosa/ Tyrone's good /Dru/ Another way of saying glasses are your friends /Aardvark/ just lean forward, tosa :) /Gwen/ I really like Ty, we don't see things the same but he is a sweetiee. /tosa/ Oh so that's what I keep putting off getting /Cindy/ small font is no problem for me /Gwen/ That is with two ee's too! :) /Cindy/ / lasik /ScottRamsey/ well there is that - I haven't gotten new glasses in over 2 years /tosa/ never /Amelia/ I'm about due for new specs, too. /Dru/ Walgreens or Walmart work /Cindy/ I love living without glasses /Aardvark/ Well, they say that intelligence and nearsightedness are linked to some extent. :) /ScottRamsey/ uhoh - I'm far sighted /tosa/ I hope I never get as bad as dad. He knew he needed the cataract surgury when highway V read as W to him /Amelia/ And I've been farsighted all my life! ;) /tosa/ Mom was, when her arm got short around fourty she got prescription readers /Aardvark/ It could be the study was done by nearsighted doctors. :) /tosa/ How could they tell, insert rimshot! /Randalynn/ lol /tosa/ A chat on wher your inspirations come from? /Dru/ It got awfully quiet all of a sudden /Cindy/ sorry chatting with Chris at GabyZone /Penny/ Shhh we're sleeping /tosa/ Mine are , everything. My life, the news, other fiction Tv, movies, my cars AKA the smilodons /Penny/ or is that thinking hee hee /ChrisW/ sleeping off what? /Amelia/ Can't talk with my mouth full. (Eating oatmeal-raisin cookies. /tosa/ sorry cats /Penny/ the first batch of eggnog /tosa/ you bi***, did you bring enought to share? /Aardvark/ So, where do your inspirations come from? Mine come from some deep interior where no man has gone before. * Amelia passes cookies around. /Cindy/ giggles at Aard /tosa/ Thamks, nee mulk /Penny/ ummm tasty /Dru/ um, good /Gwen/ Bob, Erin, thanks for the opportunity to chat. You are doing good work, you know that. :) /Aardvark/ Dang, y'all are makin' me hungry. /@Bob_A/ gotta go folks. I'll leave things in Erin's hands. Everyone have a good night! /ScottRamsey/ Oooh Amelia cookies! /tosa/ Um., are they supposed to move like that? /Randalynn/ bye, Bob! /Cindy/ ni ni Bob /Sephrena/ i apologize to you Gwen if I seem rude. I am not rude person. I not like people say bad things about others. I retract what say to you. i am sorry /Dru/ Bye - Bob /tosa/ Nite Bob, say hi ti Jennifer /Penny/ night Bob /Amelia/ G'night, Bob! Thanks for everything! /ScottRamsey/ Nite Bob /ChrisW/ Bob go nighty nite? /tosa/ Do we all have to drink now -- remembers old college Bob Newhart drimking game /@Bob_A/ All of a sudden I feel like John-boy on the Waltons..... Bye..... * ChrisW hugs Bob good night /rachel/ oh god it's quarter to four /tosa/ WE are not all getting in bed together * Disconnected Session Close: Tue Nov 07 22:44:05 2006

The nicks were in angle brackets, invisible in HTML. I fixed.

- Erin