I feel awfully sorry for one of my roomates. I take my hormones through a Vivelle patch because my internal organs can not handle the pills. In the last several months, some of them have been coming up missing, not a lot but just a few. I don't really mind unless my provider starts accusing me of overdosing.
I shudder to think what he/she is getting started. Still, I understand the compulsion. I was stealing birth control pills years ago. And to think that I complain once in a while that my becoming a woman was a mistake. Someone tell the girl to shut up!
I don't plan to confront them. It is up to them to take charge of their own life. Sigh...
Gwendolyn
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Well Gwen, at least their the
Well Gwen, at least their the patches. Those have a low liklihood of causing blood clots and strokes. Be worse if they were sneaking the pills and using a lot without any testing or supervision. Then again maybe they know what they are doing, or think they are some kinda drug?
CaroL
CaroL
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I asked two doctors and a pharmacist about the patches vs pill form of estrogen. The effect on the system is the same for both. Both have an equal chance of causing a blood clot or stroke. It is not the delivery method it's that it is not "home grown" and the body will try to fight them off. The problem occurs in the liver of all places read the pamphlets that come with the medications of these they say the same thing more or less.
That said if someone is stealing, and yes it's stealing, someone else medication they are playing russian roulette. Not everyone reacts the same way to medications and it is why we all have medical history charts with medications we did not react well to years ago.
You should confront this person and try to make them understand this is in fact dangerous.
Nope, not confronting them.
I got my information about the patches from an endocrinologist. At my dosage, clots and stroke stuff is minimal. The danger with the pills is to my digestive system, liver, and kidneys. And, from personal experience the small dose I get in the patches is much more effective than the pills, by a lot! And, the dosage with the patch is actually about 1/100th of the strength of the pill. The patch is just that much better as a delivery method.
I've been doing moans' since about 96 and have been out and living as a woman since 2004.
And no, I am not confronting anyone. I just hope he can find some spiro too.
Gwendolyn
He's made comments before...
But until he gets more overt about his approaches, I am not going to say anything. I'd be inclined to help him. It is rough because my other roommate is his girlfriend and a friend of mine. He did one time say that, "women had it better and it was really hard being a man". He might have taken those same words out of my own mouth back in the 70's.
I'm just going to let him work this out a little better, and in his own time.
Gwendolyn
Non GI Track Absorbed Estrogen
Tels,
Just as you say, the problem is the liver's reaction to the estrogen.
This is what I understand; it goes against what your Drs, etc. say, but find out what they think about my take on the matter.
Things absorbed by the stomach and small intestines, I believe, are transported by the blood stream, directly to the liver, then to the rest of the body. Once in the body it has to go into the intercellular fluid, then to the target cells. This is not instantaneous; the estrogen in the blood gradually decreases. Circulating blood goes thru the liver as well as blood directly from the GI track so all blood estrogen is treated by the liver at least once more. For estrogen from a pill that dissolves in the stomach, this is at least 2 passes thru' the liver.
I understood that each time the liver interacts with the estrogen, maybe with some of its detoxifying enzymes, factors are released that can make blood clotting more likely. If this is all correct, getting the estrogen into the body, Not thru' the GI track, should lessen the production of the clotting factor, thereby making this method safer.
The estrogen/estrodiol/estrodione molecules in pills, patches, etc. are exactly the same as those produced in humyn bodies. The liver has to treat them all the same. If GG produced estrogens are somehow safer, there must be some other compound produced by their (endocrine ?) systems that modifies or blocks the above clotting factor. (Is it progesterone?) After all, some sex hormone has positive effects on bones, the brain, etc. that makes some post-menopausal GG's and hypogonadal (older) men wish to take replacement sex hormones. If one is taking replacement sex hormones, fem ones are much safer than androgens!
Hugs and Bright Blessings,
Renee