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Story Discussion: You Have Been Warned, do not continue if you suffer from high pretension, ego intolerance or allergies to things you haven't thought of....MAY CONTAIN SPOILERS
Hmmm, I responded to a person in email and figured it was worth posting
In a discussion of Alternate Players, they wrote the following, which I am taking out of context for my own nefarious purposes. (Writing ain't fair...)
“Masculinity is about dominance, assumption of authority, aggressiveness, and protection of the weaker female” (Name Witheld), reportedly said to a cheering crowd of rednecks and feminists, 2006
Hmm, so small, physically weak, easy going , nurturing men are not masculine….Ok, I can buy that, meets the commonly accepted definition....
But then are aggressive, authoritative, self assured women not feminine? Hmmmm, no, that doesn’t work, so therefore the logic of the first one doesn’t work either….
Damn this is hard…..
Here’s what I was trying to draw….
Jenny is a lesbian but loves Robert (yes, I know that's an oxymoron...except maybe it isn't)
The MacGuffin (The Domron) needs Jenny to feel fulfilled and have a mate, so it tries to remake Robert into Jenny’s ideal, through environmental and persona changes.
Jenny’s ideal is full of contradictions (Hmm, like gender roles are full of contradictions) (Paging Doctor RD Laing, you're needed in skullduggery...)
Robert is exposed to being physically weaker than most (The Irish Wetback Maid), he is also exposed to a role where his looks and surface emotions are his worth in society ( The Pop Star).
He is then exposed to a role being Jenny’s complement (Reality Plus 3), not dominant, and using his looks AND his brains socially
Gender differences are minimized in these worlds, but not removed completely. (Try and imagine worlds where our current world is gender differentiation of 50, and say "Zhor" (TM) is 80 and the realities I described are more like 20 on a 0 to 100 scale of gender differences. Just play with sliding the dial, accepting you can never reach 0 or 100.)
Do we change ourselves for the one we love? (Rewriting our own code) Do people who love us change us to suit them? (Having Our Code Rewritten) Does Love as a construct , because it requires two people, change those two people? (Creating a Meta-Code)
That was what I wanted to explore with the story.
Comments welcome, especially if you actually have read the damn thing....
Comments
Argh! My eyes!
Could you close-off your bold and italic tags in your text? Everything after them on the page is in bold/italic.
If I do that, will you actual
If I do that, will you actually make a comment?
Probably not...
... as I haven't actually read the damn thing. :-P
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Complaining about fonts and h
Complaining about fonts and have not even read it? Wow!
Life would suck if it weren't so entertaining sometimes.
Life would suck if it weren't so entertaining sometimes.
There are no real constants in love and changes...
Do we change ourselves for the one we love? (Rewriting our own code) Do people who love us change us to suit them? (Having Our Code Rewritten) Does Love as a construct , because it requires two people, change those two people? (Creating a Meta-Code)
If a person changes themselves for the one they love, they are no longer being themselves. The same question in different words would be.
Would you be willing to become someone other than your true self for the one you love?
This brings up so many other questions it isn't even funny!
In essence you would have to be willing to become whatever the person you love wants you to become. Hence, you are no longer your self.
Nope, two people that are truly in love, love each other for who they are, not for who they could change the other into being.
IMHO. Every couple go through changes. Some of them are done willingly and even rather easily. Other changes take much longer as the relationship grows with time, and they are done so a bit more reluctantly. That is, in the real world, but as we both know, in Fiction, there is no true reality.
PS, just a very rare comment from me. You deserve it as I am a secret fan of your writing. You make me think deeper and longer with your writing. Giggle, giggle.
Huggles
Angel
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"Be Your-Self, So Easy to Say, So Hard to Live!"
Come on Ty!
Ty, you are grinding the fun out of "vive la differance" and it is "hypertension" but you were doing something funny I didn't get I suppose. :) You are killing the fun with analytical acumen that is impressive but really confining.
The Lefay boys strut their stuff like the "girls" they were raised to be. Money and power are cool but let us make those boys "girls" to die for, or by? :) My dear sister thinks that Angel may need his lovely hair rearranged, nothin drastic of course she just finds it is not as flattering as it was. Maybe he will let her. :) This might make sense to Ty if no one else.
Gwennie
Gwen Lavyril
Gwen Lavyril
Gwennie! so glad you joined in!
Just tossing out something to chat about...I always wished authors would post a little note on what theme hit them when they wrote a story, so I thought I'd try...
And since the new Angel story is underway, and the Lafeys are an oblique part of it, who knows?
LTNS
Hi Ty!
You were fun to work with. After many false starts I just couldn't get the Lafey universe going. Maybe someday? Still,I always thought of Elise as Angel's dark star whose gravitation can only bring him to her when he feels tired and weakened from his other efforts. Naturally she has a price but when he has had enough she is wise enough to let him go knowing that he wasn't raised like Gwennie. :)
Thanks for posting,
Gwen
Gwen Lavyril
Gwen Lavyril