Walt Disney can be controversial. He was a man of his times, which means that if judged by current standards he could be considered racist, misogynist, and anti-Semitic.
My opinion of Disney films is based on what I saw through my children’s eyes. For the most part, they’re captivating and highly entertaining.
The soundtracks for Disney films often exceeded the quality of the story or the animation. Disney has managed to work with some of the most talented songwriters and performers of our time.
These are my favorites:
When You Wish Upon a Star
Beauty and the Beast
Under the Sea
Let It Go
Zip a Dee Doo Dah
Circle of Life
You've Got a Friend in Me
Whistle While You Work
Bare Necessities
Colors of the Wind
Somewhere Out There
Some Day My Prince Will Come
I'll Make a Man out of You
Davy Crockett
Once Upon a Dream
Be Our Guest
Kiss the Girl
Heigh Ho
A Dream Is a Wish Your Heart Makes
Candle on the Water
Hakuna Matata
Bibbidi Bobbidi Boo
Belle
Can You Feel the Love Tonight
A Whole New World
Reflection
Part of Your World
You're Welcome
I Wanna Be Like You
Friend Like Me
Shiny
Sing
You'll Be in My Heart
How Far I'll Go
Prince Ali
A Girl Worth Fighting For
Bella Notte
I Just Can't Wait to Be King
Gaston
Go the Distance
Just around the Riverbend
Remember Me
Oo-De-Lally
We Don't Talk About Bruno
What are your favorite Disney songs?
Jill
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All of them?
But this version?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KSE1vZJt3GA
Ala' al Din, literally "height (or nobility) of the faith"
Now This is a re-make of Aladdin I'd love to see!
Love, Andrea Lena
Swamp fox
Swamp fox tail on his hat…nobody knows where the swamp fox at..
Been years (cough decades) since I last saw that and that song is still in my head clear as day.
But don’t forget
The black hole ( good music, good plot, not so good graphics)
Tron (good score even it was synthesizer )
From pirates of Caribbean to marvel to Lucas films is a different category all on its own.
We know the way- moana..catchy tune if short.
The incredibles.
We Know the Way
That was written by the Minnesota Twins' third baseman's cousin. I wonder if he's done anything else?
Jill
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
It's so hard to pick one!
Though "Reflection," from Mulan, is definitely up there, for obvious reasons. (It's far from one of my favorite Disney movies, but that song? Dag.)
Also, pretty much everything from the Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh. Just... such great little playful numbers.
Melanie E.
How Could I Forget Pooh?
When I was in the first grade, one of the fathers organized us into a club called the Pooh Bears. He took us on adventures and read Winnie the Pooh stories to us.
Jill
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
Well, gee, umm. . .
I must admit a certain partiality to the Tigger Song. All in all, it's really a wonderful thing!
Quite fond of Mary Poppins, too. Step in Time and Every Day's a holiday with Mary are especially fun in the movie. Love the dancing penguins flirting with Mary.
Warm furry hugs!
Tiggs
Whoo-hoo-hoo-hooooooo
TEE-EI-DOUBLE-GUH-UER
I wonder how many folks remember Paul Winchell?
Love, Andrea Lena
When you come, to the end, of
When you come, to the end, of a lollipop... .to the end, to the end, of a lollipop....
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How about 'Bobbing Along', from Bedknobs and Broomsticks? Angela Lansbury had a fantastic voice.
Not to mention Phil Harris. (Baloo - The Bare Necessities is the best known one for people here, I'm sure)
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
I grew up with a tape with
I grew up with a tape with the Disney version of Bare Necessities. For some reason (copyright ?) I often hear other versions, without Mowgli's interjections ( ".. they'll come to me", "you eat ants ?", ...) and feel something is missing.
Let it go
The song "Let it go" has somehow become an anthem of sorts for me!
Elsa with her ice issue and the frustration it caused her, strikes me as very similar to my own trans issues and frustrations. And the song just resonated for me.
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Well shit, I guess it really CAN happen here..,
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Something I keep trying to
Something I keep trying to point out to people, and it just doesn't soak in. If you're going to analyze a movie, do it while keeping in mind the mores and social structures of the time. People _today_ look at animation from the early days and blow their stack. People _at the time_ just laughed because it was funny. "Jim Crow" was just a pun at that point. It wasn't bad taste or good taste, it was just a pun. Stereotypes were always used (and still are) in animation, vaudeville, street theatre, and yes, travelling shows like the minstrel shows. It's just that "modern" people get their feelings hurt too easily, and excessively push collective guilt.
Just as an aside, if you look at 'blackface' from the perspective that I have (of a theatre technician background), you'll realize that there were VERY obvious reasons for it. Remember, even black minstrel shows were done with blackface makeup, eventually. 1) Men wore suits unless there was a strong reason not to. You weren't taken seriously unless you were dressed. Look at pictures and illustrations from hobos and bindlestiffs during the Depression - they still carried or wore coats, no matter how torn or patched. 2) Minstrel shows and similar were like any other travelling show. They had no lights, and were often done at dusk or after dark, when people were done with their work for the day. They had lanterns, or torches, maybe a fire nearby, but no klieg lights. Not even limelight. So, they needed their expressions to show well in poor light conditions. That meant emphasize the mouth somehow, plus distinguish the torso and hands. So, black coat, white gloves, white (or light) shirt. That meant that the hand motions would be distinct, while the white shirt would give a solid point for people to watch. Makeup around the mouth would help people realize the origin of the voice. If the person wore spats (spatterdashes), or shoes with white sides, that would even distinguish the feet. (Bert Williams is a good name to research from the 'early' days of commercialized blackface) "We", those who grew up in electrified cities, with generators to light up rural concerts (Even Woodstock had electricity), tend to not think about things such as "What did you do when it got dark", or "what kind of entertainment was available in rural America in the late 1800's and early 1900's" My mother remembers a party line being installed at her home, long before they got electricity. That was in the 1950's. They had to take the batteries down to town every couple of weeks to have them changed out for new ones at the Bell store. (the telephones were crank phones. You cranked the handle, which ran a generator to ring a bell/flash a light at the operator panel in town. the batteries actually powered the phone call.) They didn't get power until the 1960's, if I recall correctly, and they were just up the mountain from the TV and radio station! (that's probably why they got it that early)
I also remember putting on performances at scout camps - it was rare that it had any light more than the fire, and often, you couldn't see the actors as anything but blurs in the dark, especially if they were on the other side of the fire itself (they were lit, but you were looking through the flames). If they were in front of the fire, then you could see their sides, but not their face.
Do I think they all realized that? No. Most were probably just taking advantage of the art form to make a buck, and put no thought into the origin of the clothing styles. Just like few people realize that bell bottoms weren't just a fashion, but made it easier for sailors to roll up their trousers to scrub salt off of the ship deck. In this case, it's an entertainment art form that's been excessively abused with the word 'racism' to the point where nobody can actually perform it without being accused of SOMETHING, whether they be black, white, or green. Yet, for 70 some years, it was very popular with blacks AND whites. Were they wrong to be entertained by it? I personally don't think so. I think they had the right to be happy as long as the entertainer wasn't being abused. (Some were, but that's the story in a lot of industries, not just in entertainment)
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
You Make Some Very Good Points
However . . . the many thousands of black men and women lynched in the United States makes it a little hard not to have "collective guilt."
I have had a very good life. Of course, I had wonderful parents, was born male, German / Swede heritage, with a genius IQ. I won the birth lottery. On the other hand, I grew up on a farm without running water. In order to make a go of it we had to work twenty-hour days, at times. Of the six kids in my family, I was the only one to amass wealth. The others were all successful but didn't have my business acumen.
I felt the bias that is leveled against poor people. But no one tried to lynch me or any member of my family. My brother came close when he was riding the Freedom buses with MLK.
I understand your sentiment, but I was nearly twenty before I heard Strange Fruit and realized that lynchings were still frequent in the fifties. My education was lacking.
I'm not sure where I stand on reparations. I've seen up close and personal what happens to self-esteem when money is just handed to people on the reservations in Minnesota and North Dakota.
I'm 100% certain where I stand on education. Churchill said, "Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." Twain said that a man who will not read has no advantage over those who can't. What purpose is there in stifling education?
When I was a teacher in 1970, I brought in a friend of mine who was a member of the "weathermen." He was also the son of the president of our local state university. He gave a cogent presentation of the far left's positions. I followed with someone from the far right. Then my class (sociology) discussed their positions and what you could or should believe. I thought it was a great learning experience. My students' parents had varying opinions and I didn't go down that path again. It solidified my decision to go into business and forget about teaching. I wonder how many good teachers are making that same decision today?
Jill
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
Collective guilt is a fallacy
Collective guilt is a fallacy. It always has been. I was born into.. *cough* 'privilege'. Yeah, right. We had a home, we had food, we had clothing. We were broke, but not poor. (My mother calls it 'broke is a state of money, poor is a state of mind')
I can tell you, right now, that as far back as we've been able to follow both sides of the family, it's extremely unlikely any member owned a slave, or possibly even condoned it. Maybe back in England in the 1610's. Why should _I_ feel guilty about what happened a hundred years ago, even if my family _had_? Collective guilt people think I should. I believe that I should only feel guilty about the actions I perform myself, or knowingly allow someone else to perform that I disagree with, without at least some protest.
My friend Mark is black. He's never been lynched. Should he try to make me feel guilty that someone in his family might have been attacked 70 years ago, 20 years before I was born? Why should he (or anyone) live their life wallowing in prior history? Learn from it, don't forget it, but don't let it drive you.
This is what's happening today - what some call the 'liberal' agenda, where we're constantly told that we hold blame for _something_, and if it's not "Just like now", there was something wrong with it. (I say today, but it's been going on for quite some time. Amazingly, huge chunks of it come out of the various universities) Tom Sawyer and Huckleberry Finn are constantly attacked because they use the "N-word" (like that changes the word!). These people are insane, because that's how people talked -at the time-. It's like demanding that histories of the middle ages should never discuss childbirth fever, or dying of dysentery, because it's unpleasant and people just "don't want to hear about that'.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
Inverted Thinking
It is the power elites who don't want us thinking about the unpleasant things that happened in the past. Don't dwell on how we treated blacks, Jews or TG people. People "don't want to hear about that". And those things didn't just happen in the distant past. The Germans still feel guilty that they didn't stand up and be counted when they knew that the Jews were being herded into camps from which they never emerged.
Should we not feel shame and compassion for the victims of the Holocaust and at least try to take actions to prevent such a thing happening again?
Should we not feel shame and guilt about the laws which are currently being passed that take away the rights of TG people and should we not stand up and resist the implementation of those laws?
And when it comes to history I want it told warts and all, not whitewashed. You seem to be arguing that whatever our ancestors did is nothing to be ashamed of. It is not the "liberals" that seek to suppress the truth.
Unpleasant things
Yep, the whole if one does not learn from history, we are doomed to repeat the past thing.
Fascism and the ilk is the example de jure of such a thing. The whole 'why should I feel guilty if I am not those people' thing is nonsense. For a lot of us, we are descendants of people who benefitted from atrocities. It's just a fact. It behooves us to do better. A resolve to do better by acknowledging the guilt and paying that debt ultimately is what is needed to prevent it from happening again.
You just did it!
You just did it!
You're now saying that I'm one of the "power elite", and that I should feel guilty about what happened to people before I was alive, and for whom I could do nothing because I wasn't there!. You then tried to put words in my mouth. No, I don't think _I_ need to _personally_ feel ashamed over what my ancestors did. I can dislike what they did, but _I_ need to feel no guilt. (although the only one I can think of is Uncle Elmer, who had a job as a strike breaker in the Depression for a bit. Even then, I don't know the details to look down on him for it.)
What I'm saying is remember that it happened, and learn from that. Don't feel guilty - you didn't do it! Try to make sure it doesn't happen again. I doubt there are more than 300 Germans left alive today that were of an age to have had ANYTHING to do with the so-called Holocaust. (I'm not saying that because it wasn't terrible. I'm saying that because there were other events that were just as bad, that people don't talk about. Such as the 6-9 million that Stalin killed, or the 1.5-3 million killed under Pol Pot. ) I had a customer (he's still alive), who still has the tattoo on his arm. He and one uncle were the sole survivors of their family. Even when talking about it, he never laid any blame on anyone alive. If someone who was directly affected felt that way, why should people that had nothing to do with it on either side try to lay guilt?
Let's move to the modern world. I vote. I vote AGAINST discrimination laws - both anti and pro. (I'm a firm believer that if _you_ own something, it's yours to decide the use of. Not the government. That's different from a corporation or a government, of course). Most anti-discrimination laws are also discrimination laws. It's just reverse discrimination. I have had, and still do, friends in all walks of life. If they ask for help, or even don't ask and I can see they need it - I do my best to provide it. I defend them and their choices. THOSE people, I could be chided over for guilt, if I wasn't. The laws in South Carolina, Kansas, or Oregon? I can do _nothing_ about them. I have no real contacts there, I have friends only in one of those three states, and that's _one_ person, who I wouldn't presume to try to have her fight against anything. (she has issues). Why should I be told that it's MY fault (white/male) that the idiots there are doing things over which I have zero control or influence?
Back to the theme of the thread, however. Anyone here watched the movie Candleshoe? They wrote some good music for that one. It was Jodie Foster's first, or at least an early, role.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
If The Cap Fits
You well know that the "power elites" that I talk about are in the main those Republican legislatures that are passing repressive laws, and these are the bodies that want to whitewash the history books. Surely you would not side with DeSantis's moves to ban any mention of the word "gay" and to steer the education in Florida to omit any reference to such.
I suggest that you are picking cherries, and to absolve yourself from any blame for events is like Pontius Pilate absolving himself from any fault in the crucifixion.
I assume that your ancestors, whether in recent times or long ago, benefitted by the eviction of the original natives from the land you inhabit, or maybe the exploitation of "lesser men", as did mine. We can't go back and undo it but we should be doing what we can to render some justice to the descendents of those who suffered. That may be called collective guilt or it may be called by some other name. Who cares?
There is a golden rule "do unto others as you would be done by". If you don't live by that rule then you should feel at least a smidgen of guilt.
I sense that you are not entirely immune since you finish by trying to return to the theme of this thread, from which you departed a few comments ago.
Nope, I dropped it because I
Nope, I dropped it because I felt that I had done the best I could with an explanation, and it sure seems like I was right. You're STILL trying to say that I should personally just feel guilt for horrible things done to other people, to whom I have zero connections in any way, shape, or form. Do you feel guilty for not stopping the Khmer Rouge? How about for not putting enough rat poison out to stop the Black Death in London, 1665? Frankly, you shouldn't. Nobody alive in the US or Canada could have stopped either. They couldn't stop the Viet Cong, Cambodia would have been impossible. Could you have stopped Stalin and his 6-9 million dead? Nope. At most, we have to watch out for people like that near us, but even HERE, our options are limited.
I do not believe in the 'sins of our fathers' being passed down through the generations. You and I are responsible for what we can personally affect. We are not responsible for the actions of others outside of our reach.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.