https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z8hw9EIhVU
Came across this. Not only the news broadcast but the comments on it are beyond shocking.
Warning…but wow
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Rugby League as well
I know that this sport is unknown to most in the USA it is played all over the world.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/61875651
TG players are banned from international matches.
I don't know how many players this affects but... I think this is all a bit of a knee jerk reaction.
the Athletics (Track and Field for you right pondians) are considering the same thing
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/athletics/61865789
Samantha
its not that shocking
stuff like this is happening all over the US and in some other countries too.
I’m glad she feels the need
I’m glad she feels the need to protect women from competing with men. Poor frail creature that she is. I’m sure she feels this should be extended to women competing against men on a men’s team, as has previously been advocated for high school and college sports (something about equal access). And the military units need to prohibit women from a combat role for the same reason, how can they be expected to fight against men? And of course of course you can’t expect a women to earn the same money working in a man’s job like construction or farming or any other heavy physical labor as they are not “capable” of doing the same work, she says.
In other words, how far does she want to carry this, as her arguments could apply to any of the ridiculous claims I just made. What an interesting back door approach to limiting women’s rights.
About: Comments, The Broacast, & further thoughts.
Comments are ALWAYS beyond shocking. You always get a large number with extreme view points commenting, often what they are saying is not even directly relevant. And I am pretty sure quite few are just trolls looking to deliberately upset people, or stir up more controversy.
While I do NOT like the tone of this news broadcast, the wording and side commentary are very insulting to & dismissive of Trans-women as Males, period. The decision it self seems to make sense.
It is unfortunate in more then one way, that a transition that takes place after puberty, is not as complete physically, as anyone would like*. One of the consequences of this is that, such a Trans-woman has a distinct advantage over a CIS-woman, in certain types of competition. Our current science can not change this. While it is saddening that Trans-women interested in sports, are effectively left out in the cold, it is also most definitely unfair to CIS-women to have to compete against such Trans-women. If there was no difference, then there would be, no point in having a separate women's category in sports, & it should all be one category, but that is not reality.
I wish there was a way to deal with this that would make everyone happy, but there isn't.
What I seriously dislike is that some people are trying to use the controversy over sports to totally dismiss the idea of trans, like it is a fantasy, unreal, fake.
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* Ignoring those who are simply against any transition, for religious or other supposed moral objections.
Cool Hand Lucy
Ah...an ideological-fueled dilemma. Several states have already banned pre-puberty gender medical assistance; thereby preventing trans kids from actually moving into adolescence WITHOUT the perceived advantage.
"Your dirt's in my yard, Luke!"
"They have testosterone-enhanced physical attributes!"
"But we will have our child on blockers,"
"Oh no - that's child abuse."
"But if you ban that care, they will undergo male puberty!"
"Too fucking bad!"
Love, Andrea Lena
Positive & Negative!
Which was brought up in the comments, many times!
It does not really change the sports question it self.
The sports question however it is relevant to the when of transitioning, and rules that govern it. And while this is an additional argument for younger transition, that will effect some, way more are more concerned over how well, and completely they transition.
Unfortunately, the sports vs age of transition argument, tends to derail both sides.
Younger transition is not really about sports. And allowing those who did transition young to participate in sports, is not going to encourage more to transition young. It is just an additional way to keep people arguing while ignoring the main issues.
Sanity
is in the eye of the beholder.
Swimming Ban
Rita Panahi is an extreme right-winger (I refuse to call her a journalist because she is actually not. She is a polemicist) employed by the Murdoch media. Note the Sky News byline. They are actually well to the right of Fox in the USA. She is totally incapable of any kind of unbiased viewpoint, just espousing Rupert's shit.
This whole scenario is a very small molehill expanded into Mt. Everest for political gain. Looked at rationally it's not even worth our attention. Firstly, what is the percentage of the population who are MtF? I can only guess at 0.5%,1 in 200. How many of them are interested in competitive sport? Let's assume 10%, so we're down to 0.05 % of the population, that's 1 in 2000. How many of them are championship material? If we're generous it's 1%, so now it's 0.0005%, that's 1 in 200000. How likely is it that a female athlete will ever compete against an MtF transgender opponent of championship class? Not very! I'm not saying it will never happen but there are other mechanisms for dealing with such situations.
Unfairness is a component part of sporting competition. My son, in his day, was an excellent swimmer. In junior events he represented three Australian states but he was dealt a poor hand by Mother Nature and grew up to be of relatively small stature. He was no Ian Thorpe and therefore never attained the size that might have allowed him to become an Olympian. Should we have complained and demanded that he be given a special category in which to swim? Them's the breaks.
So suck it up , you righties and stop trying to demonise a very small number of people.
I would have thought that
I would have thought that rans women have lots of stuff to cope with. With only a tiny % of them wanting to compete in top level sport, there are better "hills to die on" than this.
Lets say it was allowed and there was big money involved. You could get average male athletes faking being trans (not going for full surgery) just to win a lot of money. Then later reverting back. Despite all the crap about William's being as good as the men in tennis a few years back,(she wasn't as good as any in the top 300) women in many sport's can't compete with men, even some trans women that have been on estrogen for years. So it isn't always fair. In competitive sport the slightest advantage is questioned.
Just look on youtube for "men vs women sports" you will see the huge difference.
I would have thought that trans women have enough probelms, they don't need extra hate directed towards them fighting something like this. .
Leeanna
Faking being trans
I don't see how that can happen. I am sure a physical would be required especially the hormone levels, that cannot be faked.
Surgery or no, the lack of male hormones will bite hard no matter how elite of an athlete you were.
This is uncomfortably close to the whole excuse to ban trans-women from womens' restrooms just because we are trans and may cause 'discomfort' or genetic males would pretend to be trans and 'invade' womens' restrooms.
I don't like it.
I disagree all about the hate thing.
The reverse is true. They hate us anyway just by our very existence, any additional hate is just a drop in the ocean really.
A trans woman who has been
A trans woman who has been though a male puberty will have developed a lager musculature than someone who has one through female puberty. The female hormones will weaken her as compared to a male of her size, but in all likelihood she will probably be stronger than most XX females of her size.
This is an example of the hostility it creates. This woman appears trans to me.
https://www.womenarehuman.com/man-arrested-for-posing-as-fem...
I wonder if a survey was carried out amongst trans women how many would really care to push this point. It just gives another stick for the right wing to beat you with.
During the 2019-20 school year, the University of Montana’s Jonathan Eastwood, one of the better male middle-distance runners in the Big Sky Conference the previous three years, began competing as a woman after undergoing a year of hormone therapy per NCAA rules. She not only won the women’s mile race in the indoor conference championships, but she beat her nearest rival by a whopping 4½ seconds. She also rallied Montana’s distance medley relay team from seventh place to second by making up more than eight seconds on the final 1,600-meter leg. Because of the pandemic, she never got to compete outdoors in 2020.
This came 21 months after Eastwood placed seventh in the men’s 1,500-meter run at the 2019 Big Sky outdoor championships and 22 months after running a personal-best time of 3:50.19, which is just .12 off the women’s world record.
Rep. Karen Kwan, D-Murray, was remarkably uninformed when she told the Utah Legislature earlier this year, “I categorically reject the idea that girls can’t compete with boys.” The men’s world record for the mile is 3:43.13; the women’s world record is 4:12.33 — a time that has been surpassed by 21 high school boys in Utah alone. The difference between the men’s and women’s world records in the long jump is almost 5 feet. The men’s world swimming record for the 200-meter freestyle is 1:42.00, the women’s record 1:52.98. Such dramatic differences appear in every objectively quantifiable sporting event.
Serena Williams is considered by some as the greatest women’s tennis player ever. In 2013, she told TV talk show host David Letterman, “For me, men’s tennis and women’s tennis are completely, almost, two separate sports. If I were to play (British star) Andy Murray, I would lose 6-0, 6-0 in five to six minutes, maybe 10 minutes. No, it’s true. It’s a completely different sport. The men are a lot faster and they serve harder, they hit harder, it’s just a different game.”
In 2017, the U.S. women’s soccer team played a friendly against an under-15 MLS training academy boys team in Texas. The women lost 5-2. They won the Women’s World Cup two years later.
When males reach puberty, their bodies begin producing large amounts of testosterone, the original, natural, performance-enhancing drug. It gives them increased strength, endurance, power, size and muscle mass, with less fat and bigger and denser bones, which can support bigger muscles and internal organs. The advantages of such hormones are so great that some athletes take synthetic hormones — anabolic steroids — to increase those advantages over their own sex.
https://www.deseret.com/2021/7/29/22584285/male-to-female-tr...
Leeanna