Sort-of-Reluctant Princess: When?

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I'd been rolling this concept around in my mind for a while, without really getting anywhere, and figured I'd try to get some advice on where this would be a good fit in terms of historical plausibility (albeit on some sort of parallel world).

It's a point in time when monarchies/empires are more or less absolute. (There may be a king-in-council type of arrangement, but the king is the one with the power and the major armies are under central command rather than loyal only to a local noble.) The most powerful nations can be thought of as Eastern and Western empires, with (as usual in stories on this side of the divide) the West being the good guys. I don't know whether it's going to turn out that way geographically, but that's an easy way to look at the concept here.

There's a whole lot of unaffiliated area, thought of as less civilized by the two empires. Both sides are looking to expand their fields of influence, although the East goes for absolute conquest whenever possible and the West is willing to accept affiliated third-world type states. (Not sure whether those have to profess fealty to the Western emperor, or can simply ally with them.)

Where we're going with all this: the Western royal family -- a king, queen, 16- or 17-year old princess and a crown prince three years younger, are traveling to someplace more or less equivalent to the eastern African coast, deciding that a full-blown royal visit is the best way to fold them into their alliance. To do so, they're traveling on some sort of conveyance -- horseless carriage or horsedrawn coach, depending on the tech level. They're the focus of a caravan, which includes soldier types and merchants who see this as a big opportunity to expand their businesses.

The king's brother-in-law, who has royal credentials, so to speak, since he and his sister the queen are from a noble family, is serving as regent in their absence. If they all were to die, he could almost certainly claim the throne since there aren't any closer relatives.

And that's where things are headed. The royal vehicle is sabotaged and falls off a cliff to certain death -- there's no way any of them survived, though the bodies either can't be recovered or have been mangled beyond recognition. And there were others in there: the driver or chauffeur and some servants or bodyguards. But what they don't know is that the son was in a following vehicle, being educated, so to speak, by the daughter (about the princess's age) of one of the merchants.

The prince, once he makes his presence known, and at least some of the soldiers strongly suspect the regent and his sons are behind this. (I'm not sure whether they actually capture the guilty parties, and if so, whether those people confess without being tortured into saying what they all want to hear. Seems too much to expect one of the regent's sons to have done the deed personally.) But there seems little doubt that the entourage needs to turn around and head back quickly before the regent can consolidate power.

The trouble is that the prince is underage, and the presumably evil regent would almost certainly remain in that role if the prince came back. The latter's life expectancy wouldn't be very long under those circumstances, either. But there's an alternative (which a lot of you have undoubtedly gotten to by now). The princess was of age, and if it had been she who survived, she'd become queen and could expose, depose and then dispose of the brother-in-law and his family.

The prince looks enough like his sister to be able to get away with it initially, though any of her ladies-in-waiting and other close palace personnel would see through the deception instantly. Further, he's not going to be able to keep up the masquerade as he continues to grow, and even if he could, his destiny would probably be to eventually marry a nobleman for political reasons and very likely give up some or all the power to the new husband.

So the prince can't conceive of trying to rule the empire as a woman for the rest of his life, even if the sex change didn't bother him . But there's another solution: they'll announce that both the prince and princess survived, that the prince is remaining in hiding for his own security until he's old enough to legally take over, and that the princess is assuming command as the new regent, not the queen.

Complications, of course, ensue, not least because the deposed regent, convinced that the Eastern empire was stronger than his, had made arrangements wth their emperor to withdraw his forces and monetary support from the buffer state between the two and allow the empire to conquer it, in exchange for the emperor's personal assurance that the West's own borders would remain safe. (And to make sure, he'd build this big, beautiful border wall...sorry.)

Anyway, as I've done once or twice before with stories that never materialized, I've written the whole setup here in the forum section to try to get to the point that I was looking for advice about: where in a history resembling ours could this fit? I don't want to put it in the usual medieval fantasy world, because that would lead one to expect magic or some deus ex machina to show up, and I'd like it to be clear that's not going to happen. A very early 20th-century tech level might make it work, except that communications might be good enough in that world to forestall a lot of this; also, the power structure here strikes me as much earlier than that. I've never tried to write steampunk (and not really read any: I did watch The Wild, Wild West on television in the 1960s, which sort of qualifies); that could push it back one generation, which I'm not sure would help.

Before someone points it out, if this is a fantasy world that I'm defining, on a planet with features that don't even have to physically resemble Earth, the tech levels can be anywhere I want to put them regardless of the rest of the situation. But I think there needs to be some consistency there, and I'm not finding it.

Anybody want to comment?

Eric

Go wild

erin's picture

I'm picturing a Victorian-like culture with lighter than air travel, (balloons towed by giant birds) and a large empire of rocky islands and mountain valleys. Nearly on the otherside of the world is a very different empire, perhaps resembling Medieval Japan (with a dash of India) also with air travel in giant gliders pulled by pteranadons.

In the middle kingdom, the people live in caves and get around in baskets carried by giant bats. :)

The air in this world is much denser than ours, if someone is strong enough they could strap on wings and fly themselves!

Just kicking out some ideas to roll some gravel downhill in the hopes of creating a mindslide. :)

Oh! Complication: the Princess-regent becomes the focus of romantic attention from the heir to the throne of the middle kingdom?

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

I would agree with the Victorian era......

D. Eden's picture

But I would think more alternate history than alternate world. The question would be where the split from our world took place, and which two empires became ascendant.

Great Britain of course comes to mind immediately, with perhaps either the Kaiser’s Germany or the Czar’s Russia as the opposition - although Japan could work as well.

Harry Harrison wrote a book titled “A Transatlantic Tunnel, Hurrah!” some time back, in which the US never won the Revolutionary War and remained a colony of the United Kingdom. The world that he created, or something similar, would perhaps be ideal for this setting.

Alternatively, perhaps the split from our world takes place AFTER the Revolutionary War, and George Washington becomes George The First, King of America, rather than President. In that world, the Kingdom of America becomes the great western power and it is his descendant who is the main character. The opposing kingdom could even be the UK, or still go with the Kaiser or the Czar or some other.

Just a thought.

D. Eden

Dum Vivimus, Vivamus

When

0.25tspgirl's picture

Early 1800’s. East vs west was over shadowed by slavery to north vs south for us. Industry mostly East and new wealth (gold and silver) was west. Vast plains and lower tech natives between. Railroads still all local with weak locomotives and nearly daily bad crashes (your arranged accident?).

BAK 0.25tspgirl

Princess

Is this about the Princess Story Contest?
Are we going to do it? I already have something in mind ...
Maryanne

Erin Announced the Contest...

... back on Thursday: here it is.

I guess the answer to your other question as to whether this is intended for the contest would, like my title, also be "sort of". It's the reason I'm following this up now rather than leaving it to be dredged out of my mind at some possibly nonexistent later date.

(Which is probably where it belongs, and where it may still wind up. My attempts at long stories have tended to get so dull that even I don't enjoy reading the drafts, and they never get any farther than a chapter or two on my hard drive.)

But the storyline wasn't set up for the purposes of the contest, probably won't fit it all that well if/when it's fully planned out, and I don't do well with story (or any) deadlines, no matter how far off. The ostensibly monthly publication that's responsible for my story byline, (AJ) Eric (there being a different author named Eric on FM), hardly ever came out on time and eventually failed.

Best, Eric

So far

erin's picture

The plot seems perfectly within the Reluctant Princess theme to me. And no one says you have to finish with in the deadline. For a novel, that would be difficult. Hmm. Maybe we should have a novel writing contest? Which would probably be themeless and this isn't it.

Regardless of whether you are able to finish it, I'd like to see what you get done. :)

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Strongly Suspect

Daphne Xu's picture

I would hope that the Prince goes beyond "strongly suspect" to at the very least having information indicating the high probability of his uncle's involvement in the deaths. Then again, the phrase "presumably evil" suggests that the uncle just might not be the evil one he's presumed to be.

One possible situation is an alternate universe where the American Revolution never succeeded. The Western Empire is Great Britain. Maybe Parliament never developed into anything beyond an advisory group. I'm not sure how modern you want to get, but perhaps either the Soviet Union or Tsarist Russia might be the Eastern Empire.

Ultimately, I would like to see both empires as villainous for precisely the same reason: they are empires, and still engaging in imperialism.

-- Daphne Xu

Presumptions

When I was first setting this up, the saboteur actually was the regent's son, though whether his father sent him or he was just acting in his own self-interest was unclear to the prince and his supporters (and to us). They didn't think it really mattered.

I don't want to make our prince's empire villainous; reminds me too much of that original Star Trek episode about the Yangs and Cohms, or the early Cold War era Asimov novel where his editor insisted on having the hero hand the far-future emperor a copy of the old U.S. Constitution. Even if the West here is the lesser of two relative evils, our sympathies have to lie with them. I'm making it clear that their plan is to use their influence in allying with smaller countries while the East only wants to conquer and repress. (Then again, Rome started out with tamed foreign kings in charge before taking over their "allied" realms completely in the interests of their own security.)

Regarding the "presumabIy villainous" regent, I think even in the scenario I had here, while welcoming the opportunity to run things himself and have his sons eventually succeed him, he legitimately thinks that the king is leading the empire into a disastrous war they can't win, and that their only hope of independent survival is negotiation at a disadvantage. Here, that means betraying an ally of sorts in order to more safely secure their border. (Rethinking it, they probably would need that big border wall I joked about if they did this, or else tie up all those retreating troops to defend the boundary.) But collaborating with the enemy to do it -- and possibly having reached his conclusion based upon their self-serving analysis rather than the more positive conclusions of his empire's own spies -- showed poor judgment and fully justified the prince's group charging him with treason. (At one point, I was going to have him come out of the negotiation owning a chain of travelers' inns expanding into Eastern territory, but that seemed to be going too far (g).)

Eric

What If????

He really didn't own anything but was a big blowhard who put his name out for sale to anyone who had money to launder?

Jill

Angela Rasch (Jill M I)

What if (just pulling unconnected ideas out of the air)...

... the perpetrator was not the regent, or even his son, but a smart villain who is a master of disguises and plans to secretly kill and replace himself the regent later? There could be a lot of misunderstandings who is who, who works for whom, and who wants to help the Princess and why. (Eg. what if the impostor wants her killed, as an obstacle, and the real regent wants her saved, to pass her the power and evade the threat to his own life.)

... in the same vain, if for the ceremony of passing the power from the Queen to the Prince, a stand-in for one of them should be hired? As the Queen is too well-known to too many people, it should be a stand-in for the Prince. What if that stand-in turns out to be the villain and, getting the crown, immediately tries to order the Queen seized and exiled? She might be able to kill him (she is actually a man with a lot of training in arms), but if she does, the Prince will be very publicly dead, and she must remain female forever...

Want more? :)

Thanks, All...

Before I fall off the Internet again -- I've had connection problems all day -- I want to thank everyone who has responded either here or privately. You've given me a lot to think about.

Best, Eric