Chelsea Manning

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Well, watching Today this morning, saw the announcement that Chelsea Manning (and I probably didn't spell her first name right) and her desire to transition.

You go girl.

I'm worried though, prison and transitioning is not a good combination. All male population and this.

I really hope that it's as much of a non event as her lawyer thinks it will be, but I have to worry. Of course, I'm looking at it all through the lens of pre-DADT service (when the only people who wore berets fucking EARNED them and it's was a huge deal).

I had bought a garrison cap at one point that was part of the women's uniform. Loved wearing it in private and wish I could get the full Class A's for women at the time. Oh well.

Anyhow, just a thought.

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Lawyers are stupid.

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As for Manning... I'm not sure what to think about Manning.

The way Manning came out, sincere or not, is just asking to bring trouble back down on the rest of us all over again of a sort we've worked long and hard to get to where we are now at getting people past.

Sincere or not, Manning also just made their life a lot more miserable than it already was going to be for what they did.

Abigail Drew.

I understand what you are

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I understand what you are saying but this is just not the publicity the community needs right now.

I agree

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no matter how this impacts Manning's case, this is not the kind of representation the community needs. We want to be seen as effective soldiers as ever, while Manning undermines that. There are people who never should go into the service. That's not saying they are good or bad just that they simply don't or can't adapt to the military life. I'm thinking Manning is one of those. My opinion such as it is. :)

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Grover

PS: I remember those days too, that if you wore a Beret you got it the old fashion way. You worked your, errr, rear off for it!

Miss Manning

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I heard on the news she will be on HRT & living as a female during her prison stay . I future heard that with time served & good behavor she should able to get parole in 7 years , that is still a long time to be locked up for being a scapegoat. I wish her good luck in her transition
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Well, one of the great heroes

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Well, one of the great heroes of this century is transgendered. I think that's a victory for the community if there ever is. The guy who revealed the war crimes of the US military in Irak and got subsequently thrown into prison for pretty much life is actually a girl.
I wish she'd be respected for what she did, but in today US this is not to be expected. Freedom to kill with impunity and those who dare to make it public get thrown into a hole to be forgotten. That's what modern "democracy" has become. In Britain the secret service demonstrates their power by forcing a newspaper to destroy their sources and get away with impunity.

I'll never understand how people can actually think she's a traitor. What kind of nationalistic POV makes blind to this kind of injustice?

She should get a nobel price of peace and not that hypocrite Obama. I hope the commitee will actually grow some balls for their next nomination instead of doing the easy thing.

Sorry

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Manning broke the oath he voluntarily took, that is not my definition of a hero. I do give him props for at least staying to face the results of his actions, unlike the coward Snowden.

And yes I'm using the male pronouns. He was living and presenting as male when all this occurred. I can not begin to imagine the damage his behavior has done to the trans population, but I suspect in the eyes of the cis population we are all guilty by association. Saying we are trans will immediately bring Manning to their mind, and that's not a good comparison.

“When a clown moves into a palace, he doesn’t become a king. The palace becomes a circus.” - Turkish Proverb

Sorry, that doesn't fly with

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Sorry, that doesn't fly with me. He showed that the US military did warcrimes. Fuck his or her oath. That wasn't an excuse for the Nazis either. "Oh I swore to be loyal to Hitler, sorry, I just had to comit warcrimes." I don't get the bitterness really. He just helped to prove what most people feared anyway. Yes it made the US look ugly, so what. Don't do ugly things then you don't look ugly.

You know if Snowden was Chinese you'd call him hero. If Manning was Chinese you'd call him political prisoner. But if a US citizen does something like that they're traitors or cowards. Snowden only learned out of Mannings and Assanges fate. The guy isn't a coward, he's smart. It's not like he can expect anything but to be sentenced for quasi life for his "crimes". That is revealing the crimes the US secret services do to their own fucking population. Not to speak of the rest of the world.

I don't know what to think

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I am on the fence about Manning. I don't think releasing hundreds of thousands on pages of documents was a smart move (how can she possibly know what was in all of them). If she had released a few documents (such as was done by Daniel Ellsberg) I would understand it better. Still the US wars of the last 12 years or so were horribly wrong.

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