Bob Arnold has prepared a test site for making sure that BC will run without problems on a new server with updated infrastructure software (LAMP). Please, take a look, read a few stories there and help us test it. You can't create new accounts there and only editors can post new material because new posts at SecondShelf will all go away when we re-install it later in the week. If you find problems, come back here to TopShelf and PM me or Bob. :)
If you're getting multiple logins then do one of two things:
1) Don't click the remember me box. Or
2) Add 2ndShelf to your safelist in your browser because you're asking for cookies and then not accepting them.
Yes, we know some of the images are not showing up and we disabled some of the ads. :)
Here's the URL: SecondShelf.
- Erin
Comments
Please help us test the new setup Out?
and give the test site a spin for reading and leaving comments and posts? We really do need to know if the setup will handle the load we are expecting. Its much better to find the kinks now rather than later on the fly.
Thank You
BigCloset TopShelf
Right now, only edtors can
Right now, only edtors can post or comment on 2ndShelf. Posting the stories that have appeared on TopShelf since 2ndShelf was created yesterday would probably be a good trial if any editors want to help us out there. Don't worry about maybe duplicating stories, 2ndShelf posts will go away when we reload from TopShelf later in the week.
Eventually, 2ndShelf will probably be a full-time mirror of TopShelf for times when TS is down or inaccessible.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Home again home again jiggity jig
The "Home" link at the top of the page on 2ndshelf links back to the TopShelf front page.
Um, nope?
At least, I can't get it to behave that way.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Hrm
Edeyn Hannah Blackeney
Randomness
They do it on purpose. :) Remember, the universe is out to get you. :)
Yeah, I hate crap like that too. I can figure out a way it could happen but it seems like we'd need two or three more planets and an extra moon or two. :)
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Couldn't access the Inbox
Hi, site worked well for what I tried, except I was not authorized to view my Inbox. Also, when I went to my Profile, I was notified that I had two persistent logins. This all may be expected behavior, so it's not a big deal.
Hugs, Jaclyn
Who's online?
The Who's online section is looking a bit odd:
Who's online
There are currently 259 users and 9 guests online.
Online users
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
* Lady Cynthia
Browser problem
If you have a browser with a safelist for who it accepts cookies from, this problem can happen. You login, you ask for a cookie, the server hands you a cookie, you drop it and ask for another, the server will keep handing them out until the browser says yes, i have a cookie or you try to do something that requires a cookie like access your account. Then you get a message saying someone stole your cookie so your booted. It's simple but confusing. :)
But it's a browser config problem, not a server problem.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Had that happen
The stolen cookie thing has happened to me with both IE6 and Firefox. I just logged back in and no problem. Oh, that's on this site, not the new one.
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
Yup
That's just a dropped or expired cookie, really. Some browsers allow you to set mandatory expiration times for cookies which can also trigger that "stolen" cookie message.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Spot on
Thanks Erin, I deleted a few cookies and restarted Firefox and the list looks normal now!
Seems to load A-Ok
Seemed to work well, maybe faster than BC but I imagine the number of connections at one time was far less.
Tried some of the links from one story to antother and they worked. So far so good.
John in Wauwatosa desparately typing away at Sgt Joe for Strangefellows.
John in Wauwatosa
Site
Hi LOve
I moved around the site, just like this one, i read a couple storys and called up the Authors and Serals worked ok. Lot of luck with this. also it said i was on there eight times as a if i logged in, not bad
Hugs and Kisses
Melissa Ann
Hugs and Kisses
Melissa Ann
Browser Versions
I saw Sepharena's post on the second shelf saying about IE 6 being 'outdated'. I understand the problems with doing this because I program websites for a living, but saying this is a bit odd to me. I mean I went and looked up a ex-clients website with okay traffic.
Out of ~4,000 unique visits in december
IE 7 = 40.6%
IE 6 = 40.3%
Firefox 2.X (mostly 2.0.0.11) = 9.4%
Firefox 1.X = 0.6%
Depending if the demographic of big closet is similar, ignoring IE 6 would stop over a third of visitors from posting.
Agreed
I turned off and disconnected a new computer I bought this summer with Vista Home Basic on it because of IE7. I've disabled automatic updates and will continue to use IE6 as long as I can keep an XP machine running. In fact, I'm getting my late father's Dell desktop as a backup just to make sure I can go as long as possible.
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
FF
Firefox rocks ^_^
but then again thats just a personal opinion, I just love tabbed browsing and bookmarks toolbar! Whenever I used IE 7 I was never very impressed and IE 6 is like pulling teeth to me now because it doesnt have tabs (where you can just scroll wheel click on a link and it comes up in a new tab).
Aw-w-w - but . . .
That's the part I don't like! :) I've tried making it look and act like IE6, with no luck. And I disabled the scroll wheel click button on my mouse as I was always clicking on something I didn't want to click on.
If IE6 isn't going to work with the new BC, that is going to affect my continued presence here.
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
Site issues
ALL USERS PLEASE READ!
Erin and I have only just begun to explore the issues involved in the next generation of BCTS. We are NOT currently eliminating support for ANY but the most outdated of web browsers (IE4 and IE5 and a few other older Linux based browsers).
To say right now that we are not going to support IE6 is simply NOT TRUE until we know much more about newer versions of our operating system and possible upgrades to Drupal.
If you'll all settle down and LET US determine what's possible and what isn't we'd appreciate it.
If I had known the impending firestorm that the simple act of testing a new OS was going to involve Erin and I would have simply kept it all a secret.
Thanks
Bob Arnold
I didn't mean to 'firestorm'
I didn't mean to 'firestorm' anyone and don’t personally see how it would be considered as such, I just saw Sephrena say "IE-6 , being outdated, is not recommended to be used with BC 2ndShelf Test Server and is not useful to try and debug." and gave some figures as to why it might not be the best idea to rule it out quite yet.
I’m sorry if this caused offence.
Not the problem
There's nothing about 2nd Shelf that is different that would effect the browser. When I opened topshelf, we had these problems until people adjusted their browser settings. And IE7 didn't exist then. :)
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
IE-6
Well, if you ask MS, they'll tell you that IE6 is outdated. :) But there's no reason it can't work with 2ndShelf, it's just that I don't have a machine running IE6 right now and can't tell you what cookie settings need to be set. But that part of 2ndShelf is NOT different from TopShelf, what works at TS should work at 2S, it's your browser figure out how it works. The setting is either in security or privacy and it had to be set right for TS to work.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
I'm surprised people say
I'm surprised people say that IE is still so big; most people I know of use Firefox and a few opera; but I know few I would call real teckies well enough to ask them such a personal question -- except the friendly ones that run this place :). What are the problems with these browsers that would lead anyone to avoid them and stick with MS?
I jumped around poking buttons and all worked well with in my tolerances (which is the extent of my ability to analyze a site) except that I got a black screen just long enough to scare me before some pages opened. (Now I'm getting that here too. Is this new, or perhaps I just never paid attention before?)
"There are currently 310 users and 13 guest on line." That would be strange - something with the cookie problem?
Jan
Firefox
Edeyn Hannah Blackeney
FF
Yeah but then again it all just boils down to personal preference.
I use Firefox because it is more secure than IE (i.e. it doesnt get hi-jacked as much). However my main gripe about it is that it is quite alot slower to start Firefox than it is to start IE 6 (not tried 7 on my own comp).
Now sometimes i think it might be because Norton Anti-Virus slows down my computer so much on startup. Anyone know any good virus scanning programs that i can use instead ? ^_^
Good & Free
AVG Free. Quite highly rated, nice, easy updates and it's FREE!
http://www.grisoft.com/
You'll have to do some poking around, they'd rather sell the fancier version, but you'll find it eventually. I don't have the exact link on this computer, I normally download the latest version on my laptop at a wifi or network highspeed point. As my Norton subs expire I'm replacing it with AVGFree, had it on my laptop for almost two years now.
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
Said Software May be found here
on this link: http://www.download.com/AVG-Anti-Virus-Free-Edition/3000-223...
Grisoft submits its new version to www.download.com (C-Net) weekly as well as their excellent Anti-Spyware shield & Scanner. Both are free.
BigCloset TopShelf
Current Testing Between 3 Browsers Shows
With Peristant Logging Tracking On:
Our current testing by Editors and myself has shown that Firefox 2.0.0.11 allows logins perfectly without any cookie problems using default settings. No urls were needed to allow exceptions. Menus show and movability isnt affected.
Internet Explorer version 6 has logging problems that are not resolvable with placing the url inside the privacy, trusted site list, and block pop up menus. IE-6 , being outdated, is not recommended to be used with BC 2ndShelf Test Server and is not useful to try and debug.
IE-7 earlier was working with the browser protected Mode set down from Medium-High to Medium & The Trusted Site Security Level Setting down from Medium High to Medium. That worked earlier. Further testing will need to be coordinated between Bob Erin, various editors and myself.
This update is also being pasted inside BC Topshelf as well.
BigCloset TopShelf
Running IE-7
From work, through a Firewall (though not much of one) with the security set to Medium High works fine. Though, set at High it's blocked as an "Adult Content" site.
Checking new site. Report
Opened As easy as 165 in old site ... ufb
Opened as easy as 165 (as a guest) in new site ... ufb
Opened my accound in new site, but mispelled ny ID .... FAILURE which was correct due to my misspelling.... ufb
Opened my accound with correct ID .... acount opened as it should ... ufb
Opened As easy as 165 in new site (as member) .... ufb
Ufb (hamspeak) = ultra fine bussiness
Ginnie
Adm People of Gender
GinnieG
Ah-h-h
165?
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
Part 165
of "As Easy As Falling Off A Bike"
my personal foray...
I saw multiple instances of Karen J and and odd number of users and guests when I hopped on the page, but it smoothed out once I had logged in as me.
Looks nice and I hope it works out well!
Oddly enough...
When I logged out, I saw the same thing [shrugs]. Oh well, growth pains are a normal part of life.
Yep
I tried to tweak my settings to make IE6 work, with no luck. Guess I'll have to be patient and wait.
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
My testing on Second Shelf
Greetings,
I tested on Second Shelf. I compared the stories I authored that I accessed with my author's story list details of hits and they were reflected. I also voted for some of my stories and that was reflected in the author's story list details. I noticed a delay in some of my graphics loading but that could be due to the fact that instead of loading the graphics from the same server as second shelf is located, that they are loading from the original topshelf in my author graphics area.
Sasha Nexus
"That's the thing about faith... if you don't have it, you can't understand it and If you
do, no explanation is necessary."
All my hopes
Ariel Montine Strickland
Good News
Bob has discovered how to tune TopShelf so it is much less likely to crash!!! Like, amazing way of reducing the load on the server by about 70%-90%!!!! YIKES!
Anyway, this makes development of SecondShelf much less urgent. Thanks to everyone who helped us test it and we're going to keep it up and working in it as a test bed of new ideas but it just isn't front burner anymore. Whew!
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Very good news
I'm glad to hear that! I'd kiss Bob, but there are bound to be younger and prettier women he'd prefer to have kiss him! ;)
KJT
"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin
"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin
Go Bob Go !!
Way to go Bob.
I still am willing to assist in some way. I feel like a cheapsake not ponying up some dough now and again.
"I love it when a plan comes together." Hanibal crossing the Alps? or is that Hanibal Lector, ? No. Hanibal MO???
John confused in Wauwatosa
John in Wauwatosa
So far, so good.
Everything seems to work well in Firefox 2.0.0.11/Gentoo Linux
Nicole (a.k.a. Itinerant)
--
"Freedom begins when you tell Mrs. Grundy to go fly a kite."
Robert A. Heinlein
Nicole (a.k.a. Itinerant)
--
Veni, Vidi, Velcro:
I came, I saw, I stuck around.
had a quick peek
Was able to log in no prob, but can't do comments which is a setting I assume. Using XP and IE6 works no problem as it does here and seems the same in speed etc. So it seems fine from this end of the world.
Now could someone explain why every single time I type from I actually type form... I'll just go sit on my hands for a bit. Apart from my typing... thanks for your efforts guys the wider 'we' do appreciate it.
Kristina