Grooming of children

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Some of my stories touched on child abuse and rape. I will spare my comments here, linking to a BBC report on organised grooming, but I will make one comment, in response to a man interviewed on the programme. His point was that the girls should not be out at that time of night, so it is the fault of the parents. Perhaps I am a little naive...but when did raping a child become the fault of anyone other than the rapist?

Sorry, people, but very, very angry.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b017v8cr/Grooming_Every...

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All I can say

is that this programme made me very, very angry. The scene where the police are looking for one man, and his brother is taunting them...angry, and cryimg.

unconsentual (and even

unconsentual (and even saying yes if you aren't 'aware' (underage, drunk, high, treatened, ...) does count as) is something that's always wrong. Maybe the girl shouldn't be out a certain time (faling over the genderbias here 'cause as a boy it would have been OK problably) but that doens't warrant a rape. Nothing does.

An other thing, our society often looks at rape survivors as being at fault. That's just plain stupid.

PS And then they keep forgetting that it's not always M/V same as with spousal abuse ...

Absolutely

I'm happy that almost anything is OK between consenting adults and really none of my business but anything non-consensual involving either an adult or a child is totally wrong ... always and especially with children. I would agree that a parent or guardian has a duty of care to their children but the responsibility for child molesting lies totally with the perpetrator.

The iPlayer is my only means of seeing TV so I may try to watch that. Not sure if I'll have the stomach for it, mind.

Robi

PS Just watched it and it wasn't too graphic, thank goodness, but as Steph says it's a pretty horrible report. I can't imagine what a 25 year old man finds attractive in (say) a 12 year old girl.

Rape Awareness

I used to teach a rape awareness class, the benefit for me was I learnd to deal with my own rape. I still don't trust men, especially those who think they are charming.
When I would start the class, I usally asked them to pick out the rapist on a large board of mens pictures and a large board of womens pictures. My class was thirty people and each of them chose a different picture.
I told them that rapist do not have a distinct look.
I taught the class five years after I was raped. No body is out asking to be raped, no one dresses to be raped, no one is looking for a rapist. The rapist wants full control over his/her victim.
Yell fire if you are being stalked and afraid of rape, most people ignore when raped is yelled.
Go limp so your attacker cannnot hold you up. if given a chance connect your kneee to his groin with a quick solid motion that should alleviate his need to try to control you.
Had I know then what I was teaching later mayhave helped me. I was dressed as a female when it happened, and the fact I still had my male bits did not stop him.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

The assistant football coach

The assistant football coach at Penn State reportedly used his charity to select victims to "groom" for his molestation and more. I suppose "grrom" is some sick catch phrase on the part of pedophiles now? Assholes.

CaroL

CaroL

There can never be any justification

Angharad's picture

for sexual assault or rape. The blame must lie entirely with the rapist. If the victim says no, even if they may have been seen to lead the perpetrator on, it is still rape. If the victim is a child, the crime should be seen as equivalent to a capital one - it can destroy the victim.

We usually see rape as being perpetrated by males on females, because most are but male victims sometimes have more problems dealing with the aftermath than some female ones.

Rape is an act of power, forcing someone to do something which is repugnant to them. It is a violation of the person on a number of levels. It cannot be condemned strongly enough. What is unforgivable is the current system which has such a low conviction rate and makes the victim a target for defence lawyers in the courts. While I accept they have a duty to represent their client, the system needs to protect the victims more.

Angharad

Angharad

There is a big elephant in the room on this subject

There is a big elephant in the room on this subject that many won't dare to address.

The Pakistani muslim culture, especially the specific group from which the primary perpetrators of these crimes come, has three primary factors which exacerbate this issue.
1: They consider non-muslims fair game for ill treatment - This should be self evident in the state of Pakistan for non-muslims in the cities, let alone in the rural areas
2: They marry their girls off at a young age. It is rare for a girl to reach 17 without being married with a child already.
3: They blame the victim in cases of rape. Rape victims in Pakistan are considered to have comitted adultery (which is a criminal offence) unless they can definitively prove otherwise, and by admitting they were raped, they are already looked on as guilty. 2/3 of Pakistans female prison population is made up of rape victims.... Is it any wionder that most don't even report the crime unless they fall pregnant? which leads to the culture of casual rape because most of teh time there are no consequences.

This was compounded by the police for many years who were unwilling to note the obvious racial factors involved for fear of being branded racist.

I've been driven mad trying to prove my sanity

about 3

the level isn't that mutch better in western culture. Or it's the 'poor poor victim'-routine. One of the reasons I never use the word victim linked to rape. Asian culture looks at it a bit differently but it isn't really better either, still lose of 'face'. We don't put them into a literal prison but ours isn't really better.

I had to look up Grooming.

It made me feel slightly ill, and more than slightly unsettled.

I have an interesting and direct opinion about this.

After having lived in Maine for several years, My wife and I became aware
of a high degree and incidence of sexual behavior in young children - not
so much pederasty (Which certainly does occur just like everywhere else),
but rather children becoming very active, very young.

A fifth grader performing fellatio in the back of a school bus. Fifth
and sixth graders becoming pregnant... More than a handful. Venereal
diseases present in primary schools. It was very shocking to us.

I was faced with a very sad problem. My children, whom I'd have preferred
to remain completely innocent for at least as long as we could manage that,
were in danger. It turns out, that a decision that I had made when they
were very young, wound up saving a lot of troubles. I told them as soon
as they showed any curiosity of any kind, that there were real monsters out
there. Any question that they felt the need to ask, I made sure I answered
honestly and as realistically as I could. Poor Paula couldn't stay in the
room during several of the conversations, but by the time my children were in
that age bracket, they were well prepared.

I never saw an instance of either one of them being in any danger. My
daughter (Who is special needs.), turns out to be one of the most awesome
people I've ever seen at not letting people hurt or take advantage of her.
My Son is in no danger (At sixteen, he was six three, and two fifty. At
Eighteen, he's six four, and two seventy-five.), but even if he were, both
of them were very well educated, and I have no doubt that neither would ever
allow themselves to be preyed upon. Even when they were eight, nine, or ten.

A child molester is wholly responsible, but I'd have to say that as sad as
it is, our society is simply not a place that any parent can leave any child
innocent. If they can't be educated to guard against these dangers, then they
can't be allowed out of your sight in situations where bye may be in contact
with someone who is older.

Other than School, my children never were. We worked, more than most, but
even at 19, my daughter and son still keep me and their mother informed of
exactly where they are, and with whom they spend their time.

I'm encouraging my daughter this week, that if she has a crush on a boy, that
it's Okay to go over to his house and watch movies, or to go out someplace to
spend time together. That if she feels that she has a crush that is more than
being friends, she should tell him... because it's obvious that he does too.
She's well and completely aware of what she should or should not do, or risk,
and she knows that she still has us to help her manage those decisions if she
feels she needs to talk. It does not bother me, or cause me too much worry,
or at least as much as when she told the kid that yes he did have to come in
and talk with her Mom and Dad.

What Kills me though, and the reason why I'm writing this, is that there was
ever a need to raise them in that way. God, I wish I could have had children
who believed in Santa Clause for as long as I possibly could have, but today it is
far more important for children to be aware. Mine would never be in danger from
someone on the internet, and could probably handle a direct threat better than
some adults. It sickens me that it was necessary, but I can not understand
some people's decision that it is better to leave their children vulnerable.
(Or, at least more vulnerable than their intellectual development absolutely
limits them to be.)

I had to be in before dark, and might have been anywhere within ten miles till
then. Now, even a casual contact between children of the same age, given how
many are far more active than we would want, can be deadly. There just does
not seem to be much of a choice anymore.

I hope all of yours are safe, as I hope all of you are too.

Sarah Lynn

sorry, Steff

I cant even look at the article. I'm fragile enough as it is today.

Dorothycolleen, member of Bailey's Angels

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An hour plus of trying to comment....

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...and all I can do is cry! But they're angry healing tears, which I hope I do share with the survivors who are part of this site. If you've been offended and you're alive, you're not a victim, as was mentioned, but a survivor; a reality for which I am very very glad. Thank you, Stephanie, for bringing this to our attention.


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