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I'm starting to form a possible new Phoenix story, but trying to find out about U.S. military ranks. Does anybody know how the ranks go?

She _did_ say U.S., so I

She _did_ say U.S., so I don't see why she'd be asking about English or Canadian ranks.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Wikipedia has several lists

Wikipedia has several lists of ranks.

The main issue is that each branch has their own ranking system; while broadly similar, they vary in the details.

For example, in the Navy, you have Ensigns as the lowest rank, but in the army, it's Second Lieutenant (which is equivalent to Lieutenant, Junior Grade, in the Navy)

So, for army, for commissioned officers, it's 2nd lt, 1st Lt, Captain, Major, Colonel, General. (With variations, such as the fact that generals have 'stars' equating their ranks.)

For the Navy, it's Lt, JG, Lt, SG, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain, Rear Admiral, Vice Admiral, and Admiral. Commodore is sometimes slipped in there - it's come and gone - usually for a captain that is commanding a task force, but not a full fleet.

Marine captains on board a ship are referred to as Majors.

For non-coms, it gets even more confusion. (Non-Commissioned officers)

In the army, it's the standard Private, Corporal, Sergeant, (NOT Sargeant! They're called 'Sarge', but it's not spelled that way). Nowadays, they don't say PFC (Private, First Class) and similar. They use "E" ranks, where E-1 is a boot private (right out of boot camp) and an E-5 is a Sergeant.

A better question to ask would be started with 'I'm writing a story based in the US Army in 1973, and need ranks' (or whatever)

BW


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Minor updates...

See my note below... But for the Navy Commissioned Officers What's that Lt, JG, LT, SG,... I assume that first Lt is a typo and you meant Ens... But, what's the SG?

Commodore is both a job title AND the name for the one star admiral.

Marine captains aboard ship are not ALWAYS referred to as Major (at least they weren't in the '80s when I served.

But, every SHIP has one person referred to as THE CAPTAIN... Even if there are many people on board who have the Rank of Captian. Air Craft Carriers typically have several people on board with the rank of Captain.

Then, at least in the navy, enlisted "ranks" are not called "ranks" they are ratings.

I agree she needs to be more specific on what she's asking... From reading these replies, it's obvious there's a lot of experience she can draw on.

Anne

Lieutenant, Junior Grade,

Lieutenant, Junior Grade, and Lieutenant, Senior Grade. Often called just plain 'Lieutenant'. (The equivalent of First Lieutenant and Second Lieutenant.)

The ranks have changed many times over the years, ESPECIALLY in the Navy. Commodore, for example, has disappeared as a rank several times over the years, as well as being a position, rather than a rank. (The Captain of a task force being called Commodore, for example) It is NOT a 'one star admiral'. That's an Admiral, not a Commodore. If you called a one star general a Colonel, he'd be PISSED.

Sometimes I think the Navy changes rank names and positions more than they do paint jobs on the ships.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Sorry to disagree...

I just did some checking - with some serving colleagues, used my own service (in the '70s-80s) and with my Uncle/Dad (who served from the '50s-the '70s. I also checked the official US Navy web site.

I dunno when/where you got your information on the US Navy... But, it's not correct.

Here is the OFFICIAL list of ranks (currently in force) in the US Navy: www.navy.mil

It shows that LTJG (Lieutenant Junior Grade) is the equivalent of a 1st LT in the Army/Air Force & USMC.
It shows that Lieutenant (no such reference as Lieutenant Senior Grade)as equivalent to Captain in the Army/Air Force & USMC.

The single star admiral IS Called Rear Admiral (Lower Half). However, there was a historical RANK of a one star admiral (back when I was in service) called "Commodore" and it was "only used in war time" (or so said our information). Back in the '80s, when a Captain was promoted to Flag, he raised TWO stars, even though he was Lower Half. The current use of a single star Rear Admiral came about through political pressure from the other services.

The navy has not changed rank names as far as I can find in over 60 years, at least. That's not "all the time".

There ARE some job titles that have the same name as some ranks - which may lead to confusion to outsiders...
Commodore - A ship captain who commands a group of ships. This is different than the Admiral who sails on a ship that has it's own captain. (Sometimes referred to as the Flag Captain.)

Captain - The commanding Officer of any US Navy Ship (or Submarine) - but not a boat (which is carried on a ship).

First Lieutenant - The title of the Division officer of the Deck Division... On Aircraft Carrieres, this person is sometimes referred to as LCDR / CDR Black Shoe by the air wing (depending on his rank). Black Shoe being a reference to the fact that Aviators can (or could for a while) wear Brown leather shoes with some uniforms, while surface navy always wore black leather.

There are many others as well - though more for some of the senior enlisted ranks (Boats or Boatswain; Coxswain, etc.)

Generally, you've provided accurate information before. I'm just surprised at the inaccuracies this time.

Regards,
Anne (Former LT, USN)

It's more complicated than that...

In the US Navy, there are both Ranks and Ratings (officers have ranks, enlisted have ratings). But that's not all...

There are also pay grades.

Enlisted Pay Grades: E1-9
Warrant Officer Pay Grades: W1-4
Commissioned Officer Pay Grades: O1-10

Then, each of the services has a senior Enlisted person (Navy Master Chief Petty Officer of the Navy - E10)...

A Rank or Rating "name" corresponds to each pay grade - but there are a LOT of names.

And, the complexity goes on from there.

Many of us have a lot of experience in the various branches of the Military... So, if you can give us a better clue as to what you're looking for we can help you with more useful answers.

Anne
Former Lieutenant (O-3), USN

Don't forget the informal

Don't forget the informal ranks, such as 'Gunny' :)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Yes.. Though..

Yes, there are many terms used for positions / ranks as well.

For example, In the Navy, the gold bar insignia for Ensigns is commonly referred to as "Butter Bars". And the double silver bar symbol for Lieutenants as "Railroad Tracks".

In some groups, the LCDR was referred to as a "hing" as they're not SENIOR, nor are they Junior - sorta in the middle. JOs (junior officers) in my squadron jokingly said they'd had their lobotomies, which allowed their heads to nod forward/backward like a hinge.

Any Chief Petty Officer could be referred to as "Chief".

Gunny has a special meaning, as does "Top" or "First"...

Anyone OUTSIDE the branch of the military is likely to not "understand" the nuances of rank in the others. For example, I'm much less familiar with Enlisted ranks in the Army and Air Force.

Anne

Enlisted

U.S. Military has two branches for all of their ranks. The first are enlisted men, and are internally known as pay grade E1,E2,E3, and so on. The specific rank name of an individual depends on branch. Private (E1,E2 are both private. One has no rank insignia, the other is a single chevron), Private First Class (E3 Chevron + Rocker). E4 actually has two ranks associated with it: Corporal (Two Chevrons) and Specialist (PFC insignia inverted and filled with a badge added to the middle).

E5 is the first rank of NCO or Non-commissioned officer. Sergeant (three chevrons) Staff Sergeant (E6 Three Chevrons and a rocker), Sergeant First Class (E7, 3 Chevrons and 2 rockers), Master Sergeant, (E7, 3 chevrons and 3 rockers.). All of these are called Sergeant when being addressed.

First Sergeant (E7, 3 Chevrons and 2 Rockers with an entombed Diamond) is called a First Sergeant by address.

Also, any sergeant assigned as the senior NCO in a company is called a First Sergeant even if they don't have that rank.

E9s are the Sergeant Majors. Each is Three Rockers and 3 Chevrons with a different insignia entombed: Sergeant Major (star), Command Sergeant Major (Star with laurel), and Sergeant Major of the Army (Eagle). They're all called Sergeant Major when addressed, although in most circumstances a soldier will never run into anything higher than a Sergeant Major (rank)



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Lt. Col. to Colonel

What I'm thinking of is that I talked about "Colonel" Munroe. When talking to a civilian, would a Lt. Colonel make the distinction?

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yes and then again no

I do not know if it is just courtesy of tradition or not, but frequently a Lt Colonel is addressed a Colonel, yet in formal address it is the full title used, and from what I have seen (my son in law was one now the other) in civilian usage, being addressed as Colonel when a Lt Colonel is more likely.

Army vs Civilian

I knew a kid who was brought up on an Article 15 for not properly addressing officers on a regular basis. Basically it is a non judicial punishment.

If you are talking about a civilian, they might refer to a 2nd lt. as just a lieutenant, a Lt Colonel as a Colonel, or a Brigade General as just a General. I doubt, however, that you would ever have an enlisted man ever do so.

Officers are a different animal.



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I'm still a bit confused...

Let me describe some situations - hopefully that will clarify things.

Some Civilians referring to a military officer... If they're in regular contact with the military - they're likely to use the correct rank in talking about the person. Otherwise, they may err. Two reasons I've seen for erring - ignorance and brown nosing.

A military person referring to another military person. In an informal setting LTJG & LT may both be called Lieutenants. LCDR & CDR may both be called Commander. Marine 2nd LT & 1st LT may both be called Lieutenant.

In formal settings, the above shortened ways may be used or the full name of the rank. For example, it wasn't unusual for one of the CPOs to refer to the LCDR Maintenance Officer as Commander Xyz when talking about him. But, any formal WRITTEN notes would have the CORRECT rank listed.

In flight training - one of my instructors was a USMC Captain... When we did a Cross Country training exercise, when I contacted the tower in a field, I had to specify who the pilot in command was... And, he had us all say "Captain Jones, USMC" The idea being to avoid the field "rolling out the red carpet" for someone really senior.

Hope this helps.

Anne

and more

there is also a difference, at least in the navy in whom, can hold command of a ship, in other words line or staff officers,

If I remember right midshipmen have a position there also but I would have to refresh my memory just where,

in the navy NCOs are called petty officers, and start at E-4, yet that is a bit of a gray area also,

sorry about not reading the full question and asking about country of interest.

Midshipmen

Midshipmen have a special place... They can be treated as either an officer or an enlisted person (or both) - depending on what year, etc.

It's more complicated than you describe.

There are two kinds of LINE officers - regular and restricted line. Line officers can hold command. Restricted Line cannot hold command AT SEA (though there is even an exception to this - but it's a special case)... So - you're on a ship that has taken casualties... The officer who command devolves to is the senior UNRESTRICTED Line officer. A restricted line officer or a staff officer can be very much senior, but still cannot assume command.

(In Blues - Line officers can be recognized by a star above the gold strips indicating their rank.)

Anne

Army enlisted ranks and pay designations

Military ranks can be confusing so I'll try to do a better job of breaking down the enlisted army ranks and pay grades for you. The first one is private E1, the second is private E2, the third is private first class also known as PFC and they are an E3. Here is where it gets a little more complicated as there are also specialist ranks but the paygrades are the same.Also specialist ranks may not have the same authority as non specialist ranks. Corporal or specialist E4. Sargeant or specialist E5, Staff Sargeant or specialist E6. If I remember correctly specialist ranks end at E6. Platoon Sergeant E7, Sergeant Major E8, Sergeant Major of the Army E9.
The officer pay ranking system 2nd lieutenant 0-1, 1st lieutenant 02,captain 03, major 04, lieutenant colonel 05, colonel 06, brigadier general 07 ,major general 08 , lieutenant general 09, General 010
Then there are Warrant officers usually chopper pilots and other specialized fields. Warrant officer 0W1, Chief Warrant officer 2 CW2, Chief warrant officer 3 CW3, Chief warrant officer 4 CW4, Chief Warrant officer 5 CW5.
If I remember correctly we didn't call warrant officers sir instead we referred to them as Mr so and so.

Just a note...

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The main difference in E-rates with specialist ranks?

Any specialist ranking DOES NOT go to NCO (Non commisioned officer) school, and so can not command other solders in action, just boss his specific technical field crew of lesser ranks./.

Corprals, SGT and up DO take operational command slots.

I'm a former SGT E-5, and this issue got ugly quite a few times! As, at times... a E-5 Sgt bosses an E-6 & E-7 specialist!

Once in combat... I was in charge, and such goes over like lead balloon! But they never trained to find way out of tent-city, hardly! But know the job they have, hard-core. Is why they now faze the specs ratings out. Any spec-rate has to go to NCO school first... to change-over to what we called "Hard Rates"

not exactly....

The Army has not had spec-5's 6's or 7's, since about 1985. all remaining specialists were converted to "hard stripes" in that year.

the specialist 4th class rank was converted to "specialist" with no number. specialists are Pay grade E-4, as are corporals. non-combat units are usually not authorized corporal slots, so their E-4's are all specialists, who do go to the NCO academy to train to be Sgt's.

Specialists can be put in charge of details, and squads for that matter. its all about how your unit does things. its part of the training to be a NCO, you don't suddenly learn how to be a Sgt when they pin the stripes on, you better be working towards that when you are an E-4 if you want to be ready or to even be considered for the promotion.

to further complicate matters, at one time, E-4's could be appointed as "Acting Sergeant". Rank Sergeant, Pay grade E-4, you get to wear the stripes, but get specialist/corporal pay. this happens when a unit has need of a leader, but doesn't have the slots allocated by the Dept. of the Army. this happened to me, after I got back from my NCO academy training, known as the Primary leadership development course, or PLDC. you better have your sh*t together, as you won't get as much respect as a "acting jack" as a Sgt. E-5 does otherwise.

US Army ranks, 1973

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Oddly, I was in the army at that time and left with a rank of Specialist 6, pay rate E-6. Specialist 6 is a rank that no longer exists, ranks of specialist above 4 are now given the equivalent sergeant rank.

Army enlisted ranks were:

E-1 PVR, Private Recruit, no insignia,
E-2 PVT, Private, one chevron
E-3 PFC, Private First Class, chevron and rocker.
E-4 SP4, Specialist 4, eagle badge (now just SPC)
E-4 CPL, Corporal, two chevrons
E-5 SP5, Specialist 5, eagle badge with roof
E-5 SGT, Sergeant, 3 chevrons
E-6 SP6, Specialist 6, eagle badge with two roofs
E-6 SSG, Staff Sergeant, three chevrons with rocker
E-7 SP7, Specialist 7, eagle badge with three roofs
E-7 PSG, Platoon Sergeant, three chevrons with two rockers
E-8 MSG, Master Sergeant, three chevrons with three rockers
E-8 FSG, First Sergeant, three chevrons with three rockers and a diamond in the middle
E-9 SMJ, Sergeant Major, three chevrons with three rockers and a star in the middle
E-9 CSM, Command Sergeant Major, three chevrons with three rockers and a wreathed star in the middle
E-9 CSA, Command Sergeant Major of the Army, three chevrons with three rockers and an eagle in the middle

W-1 WO1, Warrant Officer, Gold bar with color mark
W-2 WO2, Senior Warrant Officer, Gold bar with two color marks
W-3 CW3, Chief Warrant Officer, silver bar with color mark
W-4 CW4, Senior Chief Warrant Officer, silver bar with two color marks (There is now a W-5)

C-1 to C-4, Cadets at military colleges

O-1 2LT, Second Lieutenant, one gold bar
O-2 1LT, First Lieutenant, one silver bar
O-3 CPT, Captain, two silver bar
O-4 MAJ, Major, gold oak leaf
O-5 LTC, Lieutenant Colonel, silver leaf
O-6 COL, Colonel, silver eagle
O-7 BRG, Brigadier or Brigadier General, one star
O-8 MJG, Major General, two stars
O-9 LTG, Lieutenant General, three stars
O-10 GEN, General, four stars
O-11 GOA, General of the Army, five stars

Warrant ranks were the same in all services, officer ranks up to O-10 were the same in Army, Air Force and Marines. The Marines had no five star general, and in the Air Force, that rank was called General of the Air Force and abbreviated GAF.

Enlisted ranks in Air Force and Marines were similar to Army but different in detail. An E34 in the Marines was called a Lance Corporal and the rank below that was PFC with the lowest rank just called private. Privates in the Air Force were called airmen and the Air Force had no Corporals or Specialists, starting the rank of Sergeant at E-4.

The names of the sergeant ranks were different in detail. E-7 in the Marines, for instance was called Gunnery Sergeant, nicknamed Gunny, a name sometimes applied to Army sergeants in the Artillery. Sarge was the nickname for almost all sergeants except First Sergeants were called Top.

Specialists were nicknamed Spec, Specs, or Birdie except that airmen called Army specialists Sarge.

Navy enlisted ranks involved Seamen (~Privates), Petty Officers (~corporals and buck sergeants), Chief Petty Officers (senior sergeants), and Ratings (~specialists). The insignia was pretty simple being hash marks for seamen and chevrons and rockers for PO and CPO ranks. Ratings had a badge showing what their rating was in, like a medical symbol for a corpsman (medic) or a lightning bolt for a radioman or a gear for an mechanic.

Navy officer ranks were Ensign, Lietenant Junior Grade, Lietenant, Lieutenant Commander, Commander, Captain [Lower Half], Captain [Upper Half] (aka Commodore), Rear Admiral, Lieutenant Admiral, Admiral, Admiral of the Navy. The shoulder insignia for officers in the Navy was the same as for the equivalent pay rate in the army. Note that a senior Captain wore a star, like a Brigadier General, while a junior Captain wore an eagle like a Colonel. Commodore was less a rank and more of a job title, a captain commanding a fleet.

Navy ranks could also be shown by sleeve markings on dress uniforms, the other services had no equivalent except that in certain assignments, Marine officers might be wearing a Navy-type uniform or vice versa.

The Coast Guard had the same ranks and insignia as the Navy, except no five stars, as did the Uniformed Medical Service which was a non-military uniformed service serving in disaster areas around the world. The Surgeon General was a full admiral in the UMS.

Is that enough? :)

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

I beg to differ...

By '76, when I started active Duty...

Navy/Coast Guard Captains had the same rank as Army/Marine/Air Force Colonels.

Lower Half/Upper Half referred to Rear Admirals. But, they had two stars in either case. The one star (commodore) rank was not used in peace time - until fairly recently (and mostly for political reasons).

E-1 to E-3 could be seamen, airmen or firemen - depending on what they did (those in squadrons were Airmen, for example.

E-1 Airman/Seaman/Fireman Recruit
E-2 Airman/Seaman/Fireman Apprentice
E-3 Airman/Seaman/Fireman

You will never see Marines/Naval personnel wearing uniforms of the other service. That said, There ARE some pieces of uniform that are common to both services. (For example, the nomex flight suit is worn by both Navy and Marine Aviators.)

As to the Five Star rank... That was a special rank created by an act of Congress. Four were created for the Navy and Four for the Army (though I believe one of them did go to the Air Force after that branch split off the Army). There was (& is) no current five star rank in the US Military... Once the eight were used, there was no provision for more.

Anne

Captains and Colonels

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Navy Captains are the same pay rate and equivalent rank to Army colonels, yes. That's mentioned up there.

I was in the Army, you are likely to have better info on Navy ranks and insignia. I based my information on a chart hanging in a classroom in 1969. It was an Army chart on how to recognize ranks in other services.

I personally have seen personnel wearing what looked like Marine uniforms with Navy insignia. They were medical corpsmen. When I asked, I was told that they underwent Marine training and served with the Marines but were technically Navy. I understand that now the Marines have their own corpsmen.

The Five Star rank probably still had a few people holding it when I served, some of them technically retired, and it appeared on that chart in 1969. As I understand it, Congress created the five-star rank to be the equal of Marshals, Generalissimos and other ranks in foreign services during or shortly after WWII. As you say, it's never been reauthorized.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Rank Chart

Rank Chart

did not realize that in Coast Guard nor Air Force there were no E-1s,

Uniform cross overs, yes the navy provided the medics for the Marines, do not know if marines have their own now, also at other times navy personnel have served on independent duty with other services, and if in Cammi at the time that would be the same.

If I remember correctly, this would be common in the riverine forces, in Vietnam

A "Dogpile" search came up with this most interesting chart from brain bank, for addressing all kinds of titles in what appears to be civilian usage, read the top intro than go to the bottom for the military.

Proper Address

E-1s

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The chart is just missing a label, E-1s do exist in the Coast Guard and Air Force. E-1 in most services is the rank held during induction and initial training. When I was in the Army, this was for 8 weeks minimum, six months maximum. Most people were promoted to E-2 at 12 weeks. Since I had spent time in the Army Reserve while going to college, I was technically an E-2 during Basic and got promoted to E-3 shortly after.

The Army has 'ships', too. The Army generally refers to its vessels as 'boats' even when by Navy standards the vessel would be a ship. Most of them are commanded by warrant officers but some commissioned officers in the Engineer and Signal Corps command Army vessels. Command of vessels in the Army is done with Army ranks and insignia, not Navy, but some naval terminology is unavoidable if you're operating a boat. :)

The very smallest boats in the Army and Navy are commanded by NCOs. These are usually auxiliary craft attached to a larger ship or boat or port facility. They mostly haul passengers, messages and light freight between ports and vessels. Sometimes, these boats are involved in combat, like for landing craft or riverine operations.

The Army, Navy, Marines and Coast Guard all had small boats operating in Viet Nam. For all I know, the Air Force did, too. The Coast Guard operated as part of the Navy while in Viet Nam, taking over the duties of small craft security and safety.

The book Cap'n Fatso by Admiral D.V. Gallery is the fictional adventures of a CPO commanding a small boat, mostly in the Mediterranean. It's hilarious. :)

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

zzZZZZzz

Yes, I see the miss(ing) label now, I must have been asleep when I typed that comment, thanks Erin

Yes...

Your memory on the Five star was correct. General Bradley was the last living Five Star officer. He was still alive when I received my commission in '80.

You can see other Navy personnel wearing what appear to be USMC field uniforms. This is because they serve in the field with the Marines. (Corpsmen are only one example.) They are technically NAVY uniforms though. Easy for an outsider to get confused. The relationship between the USN & USMC is a tad different than the other services. This is true on as well as off duty. When it's only USN/USMC - there's a lot of Sibling Rivalry. But, let an outsider but in, they close ranks...

Anne

P.S. Nice to see how many other Trans folks served - despite regulations to the contrary.

Ranks

Which branch, and officer or enlisted?

Army, Marine, and Air Force officer ranks go 2nd Lieutenant, 1st Lieutenant, Captain, Major, Lt. Colonel, Colonel, Brigadier General, Major General, Lieutenant General, General.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blofficerran...

Enlisted ranks vary more between all 4 branches.

http://usmilitary.about.com/od/theorderlyroom/l/blenlrank.htm

Those links are for officer and enlisted ranks by branch, with pictures of insignia.