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I've concluded that my chapters of Angry mermaid might be too long for some and that's why they get bored before the chapters are concluded.
I've been a little bit disappointed by the lack of comments recently and I suspect many readers just switch off before they've finished the chapter.
I'm therefore going to try a new tactic by shortening the chapters to about 25 kb instead of the normal 50-ish.

After Chapter 25 the chapters will run about roughly 25 to 30 kb's.

Just have to wait and see if people prefer it that way.

Bev.

Comments

Mox Nix

Bev,

I do not see where a chapter's length makes any difference when it comes to reader interest or comments. I have run short chapters and long ones in the past and the number of comments do not vary much at all.

I have come to the conclusion it is content that is all important, followed closely by quality.

Stories that are lightweight stories or fantasies, tales that do not touch a nerve or evoke strong feelings seem to gather the most comments. They are after all easy to comment on.

"Gee whiz, neat keen. Give me more."

or

"I love when she went into the story and bought that dress. Simply fabulous!"

Commenting about mistakes is also quite popular, although due to Erin's recent pronouncement, I expect those will decrease drastically.

Given the way comments are policed, I have little doubt many people are careful about expressing their thoughts or opinions here. I know there are many times I bite my tongue, (or in this case bind my fingers) rather than post a comment that many readers will not care for. It may be true, it may be spot on. But all it takes is one person to get their knickers in a twist and suddenly you earn yourself the title 'The Queen of Hate' as one kind, caring, sweet peace loving contributor here has labeled me. (I can be such a meanie sometimes).

So shortening your story will, in all probability do little to increase your comments. Perhaps if you have your characters all load up on a boat and sail off to the nearest mall where they enjoy a complete makeover you'll have more success spurring readers to take the time and comment. Otherwise, it might be best of you stay true to your style and the way you do business and be happy anyone at all takes the time to acknowledge your contributions. I mean, my God girl, what do you expect? People to actually go through all the trouble of actually acknowledge or saying thank you for your efforts? Geez! Silly rabbit.

Any who, those are my thoughts, for what they are worth.

Until next time, do take care, stay safe and stay sane.

Nancy Cole
www.nancycole.org

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"You may be what you resolve to be."

T.J. Jackson

and....

^^^^^^^what she said, mostly!

And what is wrong with a shopping trip?

--GRIN --

Just modern society and our general lack of time combined with short attention spans doesn't help.

Though the current chapter was long there was a lot, I mean alot in it so it needed to be long or split up.

But then it was the story of the bulk of the war sans siege and our hero/heroine's, um, you know, so it wold have been hard to break up.

VERY short chapters don't give me enought time to get into the experience. Long chapters are satisfing but hard to find the time for.

Do as YOU see fit and as the story dictates.

John in Wauwatosa

P.S. You're gonna kill her lover off, aren't you? But then she has expressed to others -- the woman healer and maybe her sister? -- her/his almost pledge to marry another so maybe they simply separate for some reason?

Quite gripping tale so far.

John in Wauwatosa

'Comment policing'

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"Friendly place" says it all. If this wasn't a friendly place, I sure as hell wouldn't be here, nor would I have ever found the courage to be honest with myself.

Is that such a sin that it deserves constant passive-aggressive derision and verbal backhanding?

Yes, there are fantasy stories out there. Yes, they paint a "perfect" picture that doesn't match up with reality, but so what? Reality sucks. Life's a bitch. Why does fiction have to be the same? :-)

To Bev:
Sometimes it's just the content, I do agree. For example, my "superhero" experiment pretty much ended in disaster for a number of reasons. I think chapter lengths should be as long as you feel they need to be, whether one page or ten, so long as it fits the story. I actually tend to fit several 'chapters' into each posting myself, but I label the whole thing as a chapter for consistency's sake.

My advice? Hang in there, keep writing what you love, and develop a core audience. I've been meaning to check it out myself FWIW, as I've been fascinated with early European history (especially Celtic) for years, after I started to develop an interest in Celtic folk music.

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To Zoe

Perhaps I should expand on what am saying in response to Nan's comment.

I am not putting down fantasies as a genre; I mean, I have enough of them on my bookshelves. Nor am I denigrating the 'sweet, sentimental' stuff, and finally I am not prescribing what people should read. I just accept that people want to read what appeals to them, and ignore what doesn't. That's what I do, it's what any sane person does.

When it comes to writng, though, I don't write what I want to, I write what I need to. I started this game of daily (or almost) stories back in August, which is why Bev refers to me as an August BCTS author. Each day, when I am not detained somewhere, I try to serve up one, sometimes two, slices of my life and my fears.

It gets me through the day. It's cut back on my alcohol ntake and confirmed my decsion to tell my quack to ram, poke and shove his anti-depressants. That is why I write. Why do I read?

Well, there's the rub. While I am enjoying some of the fantasies here, such as mermaids and other places entirely, I have a personal issue with the 'one mighty bound' stuff. Note: personal. Not saying that it is the spawn of Satan, just that it doesn't do it for me. There are also things that I simply do not get, such as crossdressing. To me, the clothes are an expresson, not an objective, and if I am right the only heroine I have written as a 'TV' was actually in post-traumatic amnesia.

So there you have it. Oh, and I wll be giving a very simple explanation for my current girl's love of slingbacks in a bit....that's really as far as clothes go for me!

Zoe, a personal note, and the same to Bev, and Nancy: as long as each of you keeps writng, the world seems better to me.

Apologies,

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I want to apologize to both you and to Nancy and Beverly for my earlier comment. This is absolutely not an excuse for what I said, but I was having an intolerably awful morning with a searing toothache that nothing I've taken (both Ibuprofen and Tylenol) would touch, coupled with a clash of the egos with my folks.

In short, I let some personal feelings slip loose and come out in a way that they shouldn't have. It was rude and uncalled for. I talk about tolerance a lot, and for me to say something like what I did is incredibly out of character for me, and under normal circumstances would never have happened. I have nothing against the open and honest sharing of opinions, and I especially have nothing against anyone writing what they want or need to write, and never meant at all to imply otherwise.

Please, ignore my idiocy.

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Only Human

Zoe, you have no need to apologize. You are only human and, like you, I sometimes engage mouth, (or in this case fingers), before brain.

I understood what you were saying and took no offense.

So keep on keeping on, girl.

Nan

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"You may be what you resolve to be."

T.J. Jackson

superhero" experiment

Hey, i liked your superhero experiment (both versions) and hope to see more at some point.

I thoroughly agree

I really liked your 'superhero' experiment Zoe!

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I stopped reading and it

I stopped reading and it wasn't because of the chapter length. I won't say why, however as I don't like to offer criticism, constructive or otherwise, anymore. Everyone gets over sensitive, over-emotional, and they overreact. You then deal with others pulling their material off BigCloset in some sort of juvenile hissy fit. The drama is annoying. So don't take a lack of comments personally.

One writer demands ONLY nice comments, another demands ALL comments (especially welcoming criticism), and another wants all discussion kept AWAY from their stories as they only want to see comments that say "yeah this is awesome". There are too many things that annoy too many people. Either everything is okay to comment on or nothing is. Since no one agrees with the former I go with the later.

Keep in mind that the above does not necessarily pertain to you but is my general observation of reading posts and blogs on BigCloset for about three-ish years. I just thought I'd share a rare insight and I hope I don't just tick anyone off (although I know that chance is rather slim).

Personally? I think you're doing fine, views are likely to drop as your writing evolves and begins to cater to a specific audience. You should keep going the way you have and enjoy what you've written. Clearly those who wrote you comments think so too. Don't try to mainstream it just to get more votes, reads, or comments otherwise you'll lose the core people who loved your originals. You never want to leave your core audience behind.

Good luck,

Celynn.

You can turn off comments on your story or any of your stories

It is not a perfect solution but for those who are sensitive to comments or have had a bad experience can still post blogs and stories but with comments turned off.

Erin or any of her *elves* here can tell you how. I've not done it myself but it it is quite easy, a menu selection while creating a post or blog if I recall.

There is also the "ignor" control that another mentioned that you an use to block your view of specific commenters or posters who you have problems with.

The only other suggestion I have is to be honest in your comments here but be polite and PM if your comment might be seen as embarrassing to the recipient. As I have said so many times emails are an imperfect form of communication as they are devoid of body language, tone, eye contact and such which are a major part of any normal conversation. Add in it is quick, goes to multiple people and can't be taken back after you send and it is a recipe for disaster if you are not careful.

I am surprized how smoothly things usually go here. A testament to our fellow BC-ers and the efforts of Erin and her elves.

Otherwise have fun.

John in Wauwatosa

John in Wauwatosa

All excellent suggestions.

All excellent suggestions. The only issue I have is that while writers put a lot of effort in to their stories I try to put an equal effort in to my comments. They are usually well thought out and well proofed. I sometimes have several drafts where I read and re-read my comments to make sure I've written what I wanted and that it came out the way I intended. Even before replying to your comment I have re-read my original comment.

The point is I stand by what I said earlier. I find it too frustrating to comment. Writers want acknowledgement for their work. This is obvious and completely understandable. They put the effort in and it should be acknowledged. However, as a commenter I put a lot of effort in to commenting. Should that be deemed "not good enough" then I stop commenting. If a writer is looking for a specific type of comment, without specifying what, then it's nothing any elf can fix. This is simply exhaustion. I'm sure I'll eventually try my hand at writing comments once more. As it stands? I can't.

Well anyway, this is side-tracking the thread. I'll stop my complaining here. >.<

Angry Mermaid

Beverly,
I have read EVERTHING you have posted here and have loved it ALL!!

I am always very happy when I see a new chapter and I do not care how long it is. The style you post in makes for a comfortable read (not just a mass of jumbled words that i have to work at when finishing one line and going to the next). I have enjoyed that there are not any "to be continued" chapters right in the middle of the immportant scences.

You capture the mood and set the scene very well.

I am sorry that I have NOT commented on every chapter that I have read. My fault! I just do not know what to say other than thank you. Goes for all of the authors here.

James

P.S. Anything new on Rescue? Not that I want that to interfear with this. Can I have both? :)

sorry

sorry, beverly, i do kudos mostly. but if it will bring longer chapters ill try and write more often. keep up the good work.
robert

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My point of view

Maybe the readers get tired of saying the same thing over and over. Great story or this is the best series I've ever read, my all time favorite, please post sooner, I can't wait until my next breath for another chapter. I like being stroked as much as any other author and am disapointed when I don't get as many comments as I would like, but that's the way it is with stories. My Assassin series has been pretty steady with comments until the last post and it fell way off, but I can live with it. My posts are long and the next two postings will be twice as long as part one of Angola. I'm not sure if it's the length or no one has anything to say and I can live with that. My only hope is that readers will continue to read the series because it's a lot of work writing a story this long, and I can feel Beverly's disappointment, but if the reader is happy, so am I, Arecee

Comments on "Angry Mermaid"

Beverly,

Please do not be discouraged by the lack of comments. You are getting plenty of kudos. Personally I can hardly wait for each new chapter. And I take whatever time I need to read your stories. You have a way pouring your own pain into the story that has a way of connecting with the reader on a very deep emotional level. Often times this connection is rather to painfull to comment.

Also, in the case of the "Angry Mermaid", the setting is rather far removed from us and -- even if the story is very fascinating -- somewhat contradictory with the historical setting and the fantastical (TG fiction) duality of the main protagonist. So that makes it somewhat difficult for me to comment in a meaningfull way.

That being said, you are among my favorite authors here on BCTS and I make time to read your stories. Even if my RL is currently going rather crazy with a lot of stress.

Jessica

Length

Bev,

I hate it when your own computer decides that you have talked enough ... or maybe tooooooooooo much!!!

I have written out six different comments... and each time my PC kicks me out!!! OUCH !!!

Anyway.... I prefer the L O N G Chapters. That means that I can really get into the story before I have to wait a week or a month to hear the next word.

Zip

Apologies and the "Comment Police"

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In the first place, apologies are always in order if anyone is offended, or might conceivably be offended, just as one apologises when one shuffles down between the rows in a movie theatre, lest the sight of one's arse cause either apoplexy or hysteria. We all know that this hardly ever happens, at least so one might notice, but still...

Erin's "Rules" are not arbitrary fiat, but the result of long, and sometimes bitter, experience. Comments are unpublished (usually) not because of a single posting, but because they start an unpleasant quarrel which most of us never see, because of the vigilance of the site moderators and Erin.

If your own comment disappears, it may -- in fact -- not be what *you* said, but what the next person in a thread may have said in response, that causes a small cascade of comments to be removed. That same long experience has shown that it's best not to be overly selective when a thread is pruned, but rather to take it out by the roots, so if one wants one's comments to remain pristine, it's best never to "reply" to anything, but post a brand new comment of one's own. That way, if it happens to be unpublished for whatever reason -- let's imagine that the first letters of every other word spell out a vulgar expletive in Armenian or Swahili -- at least one has some possibility of figuring out why.

In any event, many of the writers here are not professionals, inured to rejection letters, hostile editors, contemptuous publishers, and the vagaries of a public mostly indifferent to anyone who supplies either information or entertainment. Most are amateurs, timidly advancing a story -- deeply meaningful, or not -- which may have been building for years before spilling out.

Many of our authors are shy, perhaps timid, after suffering through childhoods filled with rejection and sometimes outright abuse, and often fragile.

Many of our authors are writing in a language which is foreign to them, and/or in a medium which is confusing and hard to understand. Being publicly told -- however "nicely" -- that one is an idiot because:

1. One's spelling skills are inadequate.
2. One's plotline is trite.
3. One's characters are illogical.
4. One's story was: boring, silly, dull, too long, too short, or any other non-positive adjective
5. All of the above.

is thoughtless and cruel. When one's significant other says: "Does this make me look fat?" there is only one sensible reply: "I love it -- and you -- just the way you are."

Few of us are so multicultural that we readily understand the "social conventions" of random countries scattered around the world: Let's see, if this is Tuesday, it must be Brazil, so "Obrigado!" and "Com Licença!" are in order.

Many of us are not particularly well-socialised even in our cultures and countries of birth, for one reason or another; rejection, contempt, childhood teasing, abuse, a long litany of hostile reactions to our essential selves.

And almost none of us have had the responsibility of "cleaning up" the damage caused by a thoughtless remark, either through attempting to soothe the author, or going through the sad process of un-publishing stories at an author's request.

Almost every comment which is in any way a version of "Your story would be perfect... if only it conformed to my desires," should be delivered, if at all, in a private message, or tacitly rebutted by publishing your own perfect story to begin with, thus leading by example.

Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

I delicately let them know

I delicately let them know that the outfit they are wearing does not flatter their figure. The only way I see things is "don't ask for an opinion if you don't desire an answer." Comments are the same to me. Some may call it tactless and wish to be rid of me, others value the honesty. I know people who come *just* to me for an opinion on something because they know I'll be honest. Not *rude* just honest.