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Seen this first hand...
Having just returned from Tokyo yesterday, having spent 4 days in the Kabukicho entertainment district and seen this first hand. Okay, so what was seen was a touch distorted, it was after all the host club area, but there is a definite trend for girly clothes and hairstyles. For those of you not familiar with Japan, the Kabukicho district of Tokyo is awash with host clubs, where women can go and pay to have a friendly considerate chat with these 'hosts', in fact, sat in a cafe amongst them all in a morning after they have finished a nights work, my TG self felt positively manly. There are clothing boutiques that target them specifically (some of which provided interesting shopping opportunities) and the hair - that would put most girls to shame. There is makeup and hairdressing tools targeted specifically at these men in Japan, so are they TG? Don't know, I do know that the host clubs are one of the few venues they can basically be themselves in paid work. As for the relationship thing, I am friends with a good few Japanese women and I do know that they set their aspirations so high that I can believe that some men just give up regarding any sort of relationship. Further, in a country circumscribed by conformity, the Japanese men are sort of reaching a stage where there is a backlash against it, the women too.
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Nothing new here.
The ease with which Asian men can assume the more feminine gender is sort of astounding to many westerners. In fact, their physiognomy is more likely to lack some of the more masculine traits, such as brow ridges and such.
In a country where a large percentage of their musician idols are typically dressed, not just convincingly but quite beautifully, as females. For them, this is not even very far outside the norm.
Do searches for Visual Kei, and Okama girls, and such, and you'll find that it's pretty remarkable from our western eyes. Shazna's Izam, who was said to hold the world record
for asking 'That's a guy?', and Mana, From Malice Mizer, are just two of the few who are
best known in the west.
There are many others from many countries.
Sarah Lynn
Interesting comment on the site
Charlie Cheng at 5:11pm GMT:
-oOo-
Meanwhile, a quick search of YouTube also reveals crossdressing variants of the maid cafe:
Reuters: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GiMdOMrOQXc
ITN: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oApdGu6zEo&NR=1 (reuses most of the Reuters footage, but with a different voiceover)
Customer comment: "I'm impressed because these maids know how to look good, more so than real women!"
And if you think that's unusual, apparently there is (or was) a segment on a lunchtime TV game show in which 20-something year old males were dressed up as females, and scored on how convincing they looked. Inevitably, oodles of clips have appeared on YouTube - "Crossdress paradise" appears to be a popular title.
--Ben
As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!
Japanese Okama
Interesting, Ben. I had not seen that particular clip, but all anyone has to do is to check out the related video's in Youtube, and thousands of videos will pop up.
For anyone who might also be interested, I have always found some aspects of the Japanese culture to be fascinating. It is unfortunate that this video puts a spin on this as a new phenomenon, because it most certainly is not.
The maid bars are usually referred to as a broader group known as Okama Bars, but like anything else, they may differ markedly one from the other. The maids here, are dressed in a lolita like fashion, frilly dresses and headdresses, etc, but this is only a newer twist on the old theme.
The first confusion is that the name okama can mean many things. Okama Girls may simply mean the hostesses who work in these bars. At other times, it is a word that is used as slang for effeminate homosexual males, or for cross dressing gays, or for drag queens, etc. As best I can tell, It depends on how it is used. You may even see the term Okama Bar used for 'Gay Bar', and again, this can be the case, but not always.
The traditional Okama-girls were in fact hostesses, not in an internet cafe type place depicted, but most often in bars; and sometimes, in very nice bars. The hostesses who work in the later are quite often personages of great beauty and poise, who would need to be seen first hand to be appreciated. In all the establishments, however, they may or may not wait on customers; but, their primary role will be as entertainers.
When a patron is desirous of some company, the girls will sit and chat, or drink, and quite often flirt to entertain the client. Thus their similarity to hostesses everywhere, and the many bars are scattered about the cities, where a businessmen will go for lunch, and spend it in the company of one of the girls.
It is not neccessary that either party be gay, as in many places, the everyday heterosexual group is in the vast majority.
It the more traditional Japanese society, the relationship between client and the hostess may be quite intimate and friendly, but it is almost always understood by both to be a strictly business relationship, designed only to put the customer at his ease - or more recently, her ease. (Increasing drinks, of course.)
For instance, if a hostess expresses a desire to see the same play the customer does, or expresses that it would be welcomed to travel to see the patron's home village, a Japanese person would be far less likely to take such overtures as serious. Western men , and sailors, are sometimes not quite so cosmopolitain.
This causes some problems in many a westerner's eyes, I understand, because Hostesses in Japan were often thought of as having a deeper and more long term relationship than they will, and western men will usually think the hostess is interested in a continuing relationship, because they are so friendly, including expressing desires that in the west would surely signal fondness.
As for the t.v. shows that dress up men, they are very popular, and I think there have been about six. I even watched one once, where at leas three people in the room had no idea the subjects of the game show were in fact men. Most of the really good ones were pulled off youtube, I'm pretty sure, but I assume that there are still many more. Some of the results there are pretty darned amazing.
Anyway, I've found that there is only a small subset of the good people here who have
any interest in Asian cultures, so for those in the majority who do not, I apologize.
We now return you to your regularly scheduled program.
Sarah Lynn Morgan
P.S.
I wonder how many people did look any of this up. I'm home for the week, and I'd be very interested to know.
To answer your question
Hi Sara Lynn. I did look it up and watched some of the U Tube offerings. I found them interesting, and have wondered what role the popularity of cross dressing cartoon characters have played in the apparent acceptance of cross dressing in such things as the TV shows (no pun intended). I taught Anthropology and Archaeology for 37 years and have long been interested in Japanese culture, along with others, since I spent an all to short week in Tokyo in the '60s on R&R while doing Uncle Sam's nefarious bidding. After being there nearly a week doing touristy things, eating and living in a nice hotel, and seeing Japanese everywhere, I was startled everytime I saw my reflection in a window or mirror. Interesting expression of culture shock!
I also had a professor during my education who researched his Phd while living in Japan, and he married a Japanese woman. She was a good cook of Japanese food, and I always enjoyed dinner with them. The professor was kinda strange. He thought all vehicles were out to get him, so never learned to drive. His wife got her lisence and he bought her a car so she could do things like buy food etc. and she drove him everywhere.
CaroL
CaroL