A B C's of Science Fiction, and rebutting the "cure"

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As a Science Fiction fan, the A B C's stand for (Isaac) Asimov, (Ray) Bradbury, and (Arthur C.) Clarke. I have now done little tributes to Asimov and Bradbury, but havent thought of one for Arthur C. Clarke.

(I can see the scene though . . . "Give me back my male clothes Hal!" "I am afraid I can't do that Dave . . .")

Meanwhile, I had a day at work that pretty much rebutts the "cure" offered by the Christian counsilor I had seen a couple of years ago. Their whole idea was to do things that "encourage and uplift" the male in me. Well today, I took care of a dead lizard for some ladies at the front till, and had lots of carry outs as a stock person, and I still feel like a girl trapped in this male form. Just goes to show, I guess.

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Card...

Puddintane's picture

...and endlessly hostile to homosexuality and any failure to conform to divinely-ordained gender roles. He's on the board of directors of the National Organization for Marriage, which is dedicated to preventing the legalization of same-sex marriage. Card himself supports the violent overthrow of the US government if they ever legalise same-sex marriage.

The one novel he wrote* that deals with "transsexuality" is A Planet Called Treason, in which transsexuality (i.e. the development of effeminate traits in a male) is a sickness and the favourite sport of "real men" is raping women and girls. He believes that if a man's wife is tempted to gender-inappropriate behaviour, he should use physical force to ensure proper conformance to a wife's proper place in marriage, including normal sexual activity.

Just off hand, if Hitler had been a skillful science fiction writer, I could hardly be less inclined to read either one.

Cheers,

Puddin'

* I haven't read but two, as the first two disgusted me.

[L]aws against homosexual behavior should remain on the books, not to be indiscriminately enforced against anyone who happens to be caught violating them, but to be used when necessary to send a clear message that those who flagrantly violate society's regulation of sexual behavior cannot be permitted to remain as acceptable, equal citizens within that society.
--- Orson Scott Card

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

I was unaware

... as I don't make it habit to research the views of authors whose works I read when I was a kid. I read Ender's Game in 1989 in 8th Grade.

However, I will look into his information, now.

Yeah, his views are rather vile

I withdraw my suggestion of him as a personage to respect.

I was able to find, rather quickly, several sources about his views, but they are summed up nicely on the Wikipedia page about him.

The Cure

Hey Dorothy! Thank you for the giggle I got from Hal feminizing Dave. Strangely enough I have a story titled the Cure, but am stalled on a part.

My wife and I are seeing a therapist and he, too, seemed surprised when I said, "There is strong evidence that the transgender thing has a physical/biological cause. Rather than point fingers he's been pretty good about helping us work though our issues as a couple.

It's a hard thing for people to wrap their brains around. The best don't try. They simply seem to accept that everyone is different and that's cool.

For those that love us and has preconceived notions of who and what we are, it is even harder. In a way we're standing their ideas of reality on its nose.

As for the all the great things about being a man, there are a few consolation prizes, but like the cheap plastic rewards you get at the fair and carnivals in the end the price you pay isn't worth what you get.

Be who your heart tells you to be. You know the old saying "be true to yourself." :)
Hugs!
Grover

Well that said

the only advantage I see in society for men is that of better physical safety. Far fewer men get raped or assaulted then women do I believe.

If I were a little girl, I would never have been given the physical freedom to do 30 mile bike rides during the Summer or ride cross an entire borough to get to my school during a mass transit strike.

Oh I would give that up in a heartbeat but it is what it is.

Kim

Asimov loved puns

Asimov loved puns and numerous of his stories were essentially shaggy dog stories to set up a pun. When he was a guest at scifi cons occasionally, he would set up pun offs with books as prizes. Maybe you could do something short along the lines of setting up a pun. He also wrote a lot of mystery stories, and most of them had puns in them, some virtually filled with them as part of the dialog.

An example I just recalled,

There was a bankrobber named Stein who purloined a million buck-erinos and invested it into an account under another name. Having carried out that part of his plan, he hied off to a lab in the same city where an experimental time machine was being tested. He determined the procedure to do so, and sent himself well into the future to escape punishment for his crime. As soon as he walked out of the machine, the cops of the time took him into custody, and a trial date was set. At the trial, his lawyer, admitted that he had robbed the bank, but at his urging, insisted that the statute of limitations had long run out on his crime, and that was his only defense. The prosecutor claimed that since Stein had not aged a day since the crime, then the statute did not apply as time, and the opportunity to be caught, had not existed for him. The judge in the case, known for being an inveterate punster himself, took the case under advisement and set the next day for his decision. The prosecutor claims the judge's penchant for puns was responsible for the verdict. The verdict: A Niche in time saves Stein!

Hey, I never said his puns were good!!!

Clarke would be harder to write in the style of. He tended to be of the stamp of hard science fiction, his stories based on what was just around the corner rather than speculative, though he did have some that occasionally wandered ahead a bit. Hope you think of something soon.

CaroL

CaroL

Niche in time...

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Was actually a "Feghoot," one in a long-running series of puns under the umbrella: Through Space and Time with Ferdinand Feghoot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feghoot

As mentioned in the article, Ferdinand Feghoot was the inspiration behind Mr Peabody's Improbable History, which also used time travel to appear in many locations just in time to make a punny closing comment.

http://www.davearonson.net/humor/feghoot.html

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

Asimov & Clarke, yes, but Bradbury?

I'm sure this will generate some flak, but ...

I don't consider many of them, (Bradbury's stories ), to even be SF. They are more on the horror side, to my way of thinking. I'll admit, I haven't read much more than a synopsis of most of his stuff, and only enjoyed Fahrenheit 451.

Actually, though, none of your ABCs made my top 10, though Drs Ike & Clarke are in the top 20.

I do not have an 'A' to put above Dr Ike, but put Lois McMaster Bujold in my top 'B' spot, and Hal Clement, as my 'C'.
Holly

It's nice to be important, but it's more important to be nice.

Holly

Technically, Horror is a Sub-Genre of SF

Seriously. Horror didn't get its own genre setting until mid-1970s, and was considered a category within SciFi -- haven't you ever wondered why so many "SciFi Original Pictures" (or SyFy, now) were Horror?

Many many many of Bradbury's shorts were indeniably SF... and the Martian Chronicles... those are definitely SF.

Hmm... alphabet lists...

We Could Argue For Ever

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When you are talking about matters of personal taste, but what fun these interminable arguments are.

I actually prefer Poul Anderson to Asimov. While Isaac's got the "crown", Poul's writing is in my opinion much more fluent and in some instances, almost poetic, plus his use of humour was much lighter...not so heavy-handed as Asimov's. Read one of his Nicholas Van Rijn stories.

Lois McMaster Bujold is a lovely writer, but "B" is brimming with rivals like David Brin or Greg Bear or even Ben Bova, depending on whether you like your SF hard or plot-driven or space-opera. Lois is the best character writer of them all. Miles is a masterpiece. I dare anyone not to cry when they read "The Mountains Of Mourning". Bradbury leans far more to fantasy and horror, but that doesn't disqualify him.

"C" has to be Clarke, just for sheer vision, although his writing could be very clunky at times. He was a master of the last line, as in "The Sentinel", the fore-runner of the "2001" series;

"The very old are often insanely jealous of the very young."

And another short, the name of which escapes me, where a mouse of a woman survives in a spaceship wreck to finally see her rescuers enter....."Look, baby. Food."

Joanne

Food

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"Survival" by John Wyndham, I think. I didn't care for it, as the premise seemed far-fetched. A passel of spacemen cheerfully agree to be eaten by the others, one by one, whilst the woman *and* her baby skate free? Not likely. Of course, I'm not generally fond of Wyndham stories in any case. It's in Seeds of Time.

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

You're Right...

I made the same mistake she did, thinking of it as a Clarke story. (Clarke's rescue story was "Breaking Strain", about two men stranded in a space vehicle with enough air and water to keep one alive until rescue. It's in Expedition to Earth and elsewhere.)

Eric

It' a very old joke...

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THE YARN OF THE "NANCY BELL"

by W. S. Gilbert (circ 1866, Gilbert & Sullivan)

'Twas on the shores that round our coast
From Deal to Ramsgate span,
That I found alone on a piece of stone
An elderly naval man.

His hair was weedy, his beard was long,
And weedy and long was he,
And I heard this wight on the shore recite,
In a singular minor key:

"Oh, I am a cook and a captain bold,
And the mate of the Nancy brig,
And a bo'sun tight, and a midshipmite,
And the crew of the captain's gig."

And he shook his fists and he tore his hair,
Till I really felt afraid,
For I couldn't help thinking the man had been drinking,
And so I simply said:

"Oh, elderly man, it's little I know
Of the duties of men of the sea,
But I'll eat my hand if I understand
How you can possibly be?

"At once a cook, and a captain bold,
And the mate of the Nancy brig,
And a bo'sun tight, and a midshipmite,
And the crew of the captain's gig."

Then he gave a hitch to his trousers, which
Is a trick all seamen larn,
And having got rid of a thumping quid,
He spun this painful yarn:

" 'Twas in the good ship Nancy Bell
That we sailed to the Indian sea,
And there on a reef we come to grief,
Which has often occurred to me.

"And pretty nigh all o' the crew was drowned
(There was seventy-seven o' soul),
And only ten of the Nancy's men
Said 'Here!' to the muster-roll.

"There was me and the cook and the captain bold,
And the mate of the Nancy brig,
And the bo'sun tight, and a midshipmite,
And the crew of the captain's gig.

"For a month we'd neither wittles nor drink,
Till a-hungry we did feel,
So we drawed a lot, and accordin' shot
The captain for our meal.

"The next lot fell to the Nancy's mate,
And a delicate dish he made;
Then our appetite with the midshipmite
We seven survivors stayed.

"And then we murdered the bo'sun tight,
And he much resembled pig;
Then we wittled free, did the cook and me,
On the crew of the captain's gig.

"Then only the cook and me was left,
And the delicate question, 'Which
Of us two goes to the kettle?' arose
And we argued it out as sich.

"For I loved that cook as a brother, I did,
And the cook he worshipped me;
But we'd both be blowed if we'd either be stowed
In the other chap's hold, you see.

" 'I'll be eat if you dines off me,' says Tom,
'Yes, that,' says I, 'you'll be,'--
'I'm boiled if I die, my friend,' quoth I,
And 'Exactly so,' quoth he.

'Says he,' Dear James, to murder me
Were a foolish thing to do,
For don't you see that you can't cook me,
While I can--and will--cook you!'

"So he boils the water, and takes the salt
And the pepper in portions true
(Which he never forgot), and some chopped shalot,
And some sage and parsley too.

" 'Come here,' says he, with a proper pride,
Which his smiling features tell,
' 'Twill soothing be if I let you see,
How extremely nice you'll smell.'

"And he stirred it round and round and round,
And he sniffed at the foaming froth;
When I ups with his heels, and smothers his squeals
In the scum of the boiling broth.

"And I eat that cook in a week or less,
And--as I eating be
The last of his chops, why, I almost drops,
For a wessel in sight I see!

"And I never grin, and I never smile,
And I never larf nor play,
But I sit and croak, and a single joke
I have--which is to say:

"Oh, I am a cook and a captain bold,
And the mate of the Nancy brig,
And a bo'sun tight, and a midshipmite,
And the crew of the captain's gig!"

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

As far as Science Fiction goes

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I may have had my Foundation in Asimov; and my Childhood's End may have been sadly witnessed by Clarke, but the fires of my creativity were set aflame by Ray Bradbury...
 
for your enjoyment....
 
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HcZBIDo55kU

She was born for all the wrong reasons but grew up for all the right ones.
Con grande amore e di affetto, Andrea Lena

  

To be alive is to be vulnerable. Madeleine L'Engle
Love, Andrea Lena

AHC?

The 'Big Three' has always been Asimov, Heinlein, and Clarke -- not to say that Bradbury doesn't have some good stuff.

Ray

C is also for Chalker

Jack L Chalker, whose "Well World" series is also a favorite of mine, especialy for the idea of being able to change into someone else . . .

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I approve!

Totally forgot about Chalker!

And Chalker tends to have LGBT content, as well! :D

For A TG Take...

...on a Clarke short-short, see "The Day the Ships Came" by Karen J. Taylor, on this site.

Eric

The Uplift series by David

The Uplift series by David Brin that begins with Sundiver, Startide Rising, and The Uplift War is a wonderful read and concept.

Just another B option.

D

let me contest who is on the A-list

Asimov would be the top science fiction and also non fiction professor, how ever least I've myth'ed the point here, Robert Aspin would have to top my list for popular fiction that can and often crossed gender lines.