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I got an email from a friend I spent 3 weeks with in Thailand, urging me to download IE 8 Beta. Well, I trust her not to send me something bad, at least not willingly. There seemed to be a healthy financial incentive to do it too.
Well, I downloaded it about 2 hours ago and am now back on Firefox, feeling quite cross about my experience. I am emotionally laying on the floor kicking my feet and throwing a tantrum. :( Severely bummed
I know myself pretty well, and I know when that is all worked out, maybe I can actually be rational about it. With no one to deliver a spanking :( it may take longer though.
So, I would be really pleased if others would say how they are doing with 8 Beta or if they have even tried.
Thanks
Gwendolyn
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I don't EVER try anything from Redmond until ...
it has been released, and better yet, service pack one to fix the most blatant bugs has been released.
I bought a refurbished laptop with Vista on it, and need to upgrade it to XP.
One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness.
It usually comes back to you.
Holly
One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness.
It usually comes back to you.
Holly
I tried IE8
I was very disapointed with it. It kept trying to debug everything and I had to keep pressing a button at the top of the browser everytime I went to a new page so that the pictures looked right. It was more trouble than it was worth. now if you want a nice browser, to to the apple computer website and download apples browser. it's called "Safari". I must say that it's simple and it loads really fast.
Jessica Marie.
P.S. Now Holly, when you go from Windows Vista to working with XP, that is not a upgrade. It's called earning a smack up side your head.lol
Sorry smorr.
I agree 100% with Holly. As much as I dislike XP, The only way I will ever go to VISTA is when M$ plutz stops supporting XP and I am forced to do so. Of course, by then We can only hope they come up with a Browser that doesn't think its smarter than the people trying to use it. Vista is on the spouse's laptop and it is really a pain in the butt trying to get anything done. I really miss 98SE and my Win2K.
I saw a M$ sales film where they were demoing a new windoze package that was touch screen. Nothing like making all your current equipment instantly obsolete, despite its built in obsolescence.
Speaking of browsers, I saw a bunch of on line acquaintances using something called Seamonkey, talking of how neat it was. So I downloaded and opened it to find Netscape Navigator. They didn't even change the old logo. Still using the old Ships wheel despite the name change. (Sea Monkeys are nothing but Brine Shrimp or fish food BTW.
Netscape Navigator/Netscape
Netscape Navigator/Netscape Communicator was a product made by Netscape. Before Netscape was purchased by AOL Netscape founded the Mozilla foundation and released their product as open source also. Seamonkey's aim is to provide an all-in-one package like Netscape Communicator using some of the features and technologies of Mozilla FireFox. Basically, it's aim is for a more modern, Netscape Communicator.
As far as the whole neat touch screen stuff you saw, welcome to Windows 7 with Multi-Touch... I recently saw a Microsoft sales film with all the stuff there too, the film was called "The Day the Earth Stood Still"... No one that has seen that movie can deny my statement. It's about as much a Microsoft sales film, as the new Knight Rider is a weekly series of 45min FORD commercials. However, I have been reading a lot about Windows 7, and the word I've gotten is that it's all the PRETTY of Vista, but without the huge Processor/Memory impact. I will be installing a beta of Windows 7 on my Acer Aspire One shortly, just to prove that it's a working OS.
I personally like Vista. It's Pretty :) I like Pretty :) It's no more different from XP than XP was compared to 2K or 2K compared to Windows 98/95. Everything has a learning curve, and I actually applaude Microsoft for going out and trying to create a product that does more than the bear minimums. I just wish they had managed to include the lean-ness of Windows 7 in Windows Vista.
Now, before someone goes off calling me a Microsoft Evangelist, I want you all to know I'm a Unix Geek. Linux/FreeBSD/MacOS X are my prefered operating systems. I keep windows for Gaming :)
-HuGgLeS-
-P/KAF
I'm with Stacy
I bought the laptop cheap, assured it had XP. When I found Vista, I stopped using it, waiting for time to upgrade to XP.
Vista ran about 5% as fast as this laptop, which has a slower processor, because the new one needs about 2 GBYtes more memory than the new lappy came with
And user friendly it ain't. No manuals of course, and I couldn't even figure out how to turn it off until someone showed me where MS hid the shutdown routine
The first time I shut it down by unplugging it and yanking the battery.
I loaned it to a friend who needed a computer real bad for about 3 months, and just got it back. Haven't turned it on yet.
As to browsers, as far as I am concerned, Firefox does everything I want, doesn't break, and it ain't broke, so I ain't fixin' it.
One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness.
It usually comes back to you.
Holly
One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness.
It usually comes back to you.
Holly
I'm a Firefox gal now
Ever since IE7 debuted, I've been a Firefox gal. With Noscript and AdBlockPlus I've got a secure surfing experience (Not that I surf much anyway) within a cleaned-up shell I feel comfortable using. I just hated IE7's layout from the beginning, and from what I've been hearing, IE8's even worse.
I've never tried Safari, so I can't comment there. Kind of looking forward to Google's offering, but Firefox remains my old standby for now.
Chrome, Safari and Firefox
I use Safari for almost everything since I'm usually on my Mac. For the few sites that don't look right in Safari (there are a few but no more than with other browsers) I use Firefox. I only use IE when testing to be sure that it does not break the site.
Google's Chrome is based on the Open Source version of Safari, called WebKit (which was based partly on a Linux browser called Konqueror). The main difference, other than cosmetic, is it has a rewritten Javascript handler. Chrome is fast since it has fewer features than Safari but on many tests, Safari is still faster. My brother is in charge of the programmers working on WebKit and Safari at Apple and he doesn't intend to lose any arms race to a Google Clone. :)
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Reeeally...
It sounds like I'll have to give Safari a test-run now. I kind of figured a lot Chrome was hype, but I didn't realize they were essentially working from someone else's foundation/blueprint. "Open Source" should've been a big red flag for that.
Most browsers are based on Mozilla
Which my brother helped develop at Netscape, years ago. Firefox pretty much is a pretty Mozilla. Camino is a stripped down Mozilla. IE is a kludged Mozilla. Sea Monkey is Mozilla on steroids. :) iCab is based on WebKit like Safari and Chrome. Opera is based on Mozilla, I think, with some rewrites.
Mozilla is feature-rich and has lots of third party plug-ins. Firefox is just better and more solid than other MozBeasts. Followed I guess by Opera which is tuned for more speed.
WebKit is cleaner with less "legacy" baggage to drag around so it's just essentially faster. Safari is the most full-featured WebKit browser and is very fast.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
I just want to applaud your
I just want to applaud your brother. I think basing Safari/Webkit on Konqueror was the 2nd best thing Apple ever did. And them releasing the Webkit additions/features back into the stream took them a notch higher in my book. The first best thing they did btw (at least in my book), was combining NeXT and FreeBSD/NetBSD/Unix to create OS X :)
-P/KAF
A nightmare
Just think, if they hadn't done that, and thrown out the backwards compatibility issues, OS 10 would have been Vista.
And it's an official UNIX now too!
Browser rundown, with lots of unneeded detail.
Well, to be precise, Seamonkey is the last whole 'Mozilla browser', which is to say, complete internet application suite, like Opera. Remember Opera?
Thing is, no-one seems interested in all-in-one solutions anymore, and they're hard to support, so the Mozilla Foundation split apart the various components. Firefox is the new Mozilla browser, but it's browser only.
Camino, for those of us Mac people is an older project that used Mozilla's web engine (HTML rendering) and certain Firefox technologies to create a Mac-only web browser. It isn't as popular and doesn't have the support Firefox does, but this is important—is not more than cousins to Firefox, and has very little to do with the Mozilla Foundation.
In theory, Firefox, Thunderbird, Sunbird, and such will be wrapped together to form the 'next Mozilla browser', but that's unlikely to happen since things change too much.
Erin, you're right about WebKit, but not iCab (until recently). WebKit's origins are in the Linux world, the important things about WebKit is the integration abilities from KHTML.
iCab previously used its own proprietary engine but has now been completely rewritten to use WebKit. Its major selling point is the very limited use of memory, and how small and portable it is.
Opera just tries to be everything to everyone, and has its own unrelated engine to do it.
IE uses Microsoft's own engine which is designed to be tied into Windows and easily programmed—but doesn't support current standards, even in the latest beta.
Sorry about the lecture. I'm a web developer, so I have to know as much as possible about the things.
Gwen
IE 8 already gave you the spanking, and you need another....25 lashes with a wet noodle for you. :)
I really liked MS stuff ...
in the before time. I think this was in the 80's and 90's. Microsoft at that time was very solicitious and proactive about solving any problem I had.
I don't know what happened; who did what or anything like that, but about October of 2007 IE began to develop times when it just stopped responding to anything. I did not like Firefox because I felt that the display was just washed out. For example, it was like a simple period at the end of a sentence would have say nine dots with IE but in fire fox it had 4. Well, somewhere a long the line, IE would not run for more than about 5 minutes so I sort of packed up and moved to Firefox.
Most of my objections to Fire Fox have been resolved. I know how to open more tabs now, and it does have a nice spell check utility that seems to run all the time.
I do not know who the real brains or the real team at Microsoft was. It seems like they retired. I had heard that MS was sued and lost several times for doing really dirty things to other companies. For a while it seemed like they had the power of the government behind them.
Me, I am just a computer user. I do not even care whether the code is in Lumox or Arabic. I have no idea what open source code is. As long as I can get the zipper up my back, I am happy.
2 Points
1) I have been wanting to test out IE8 for about 6 weeks now. The problem for me is it is beta 2 and came out in August. Seems to me waiting for the next version would make more sense at this juncture.
As for Windows Vista, I have hated it since it was released. No way would I upgrade from XP to Vista. I did recently install the 64bit Windows Vista Ultimate on my D:\ drive and couldn't be happier with it. The speed is FASTER than my XP 32bit OS running the same tasks to produce identical results. Color me astonished, but Vista 64bit is My OS of choice now, with XP as a secondary purely to get at my ancient scanner.
Huggles
Frank
On my Windoze
Honestly, on my Windoze, all I do is play games and test web sites. So I have IE 8 beta 2, and use it only to run Windows Update, or test websites. It does those tasks fairly admirably. Of course, I still have to support IE6, but that's another issue.
Due to the inherently insecure nature of Windows, I would never use my tightly integrated browser for daily use. It'd be like walking around Central Park at 10 at night in Strawberry Shortcake jammies. You're just inviting trouble.
I use Chrome, but that's mainly for testing and fun reasons.
IE still isn't ready for prime time, I'd suggest Firefox as your everything browser, or Opera if you like having a one-stop shop for all your Internet needs (web, mail, chat, downloads, etc.). Be warned, both take a little but of configuring, you really oughtn't just install and drive.
But then you already knew that, because you're clever and read the posts everyone else has made.