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I would have liked to have responded to Stanman's blog, but I think there is more to it than that. As an author I've always written a story completely before posting it. The exception is Show Me The Money. I know that was a shameless plug, but that wasn't the point. All my stories were posted as a complete work, with the exception of Runway. I thought Mialing was my best story, but I guess it wasn't. It took months to write and then I got two comments. I'm not trying to sound like a whiner, but, when a story like Show Me gets the comments and a long novel doesn't, there's something wrong. Maybe, it's the audience, I don't know. I do know that it's a rush to have comments about a story you're writing, or have written. That's the reason I posted Runway as a series, but it was complete before I posted it. I fell into the comment trap with Show Me and now I feel obligated to finish it, which I will, and won't post it until it's done. An example of a series left unfinished is Christina. This was a well followed series, and even though there were somethings I found troubling, I followed it like a fan. I loved the way Admiral wrote, and wanted to know what happened to Chris. I'm not trying to point fingers and that one series isn't the point. I've read so many of these things to the, almost end, and then I'm left hanging. FYI, I've written four more chapters of Show Me, but I won't be posting them until we find out where Jennifer is going. I love all you to pieces, Arecee
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Arecee, I Know The Story That You Are Talking About My Friend
Have you thought about reposting it in smaller chunks? As for Homecoming Princess, I enjoyed it, but for some, it was a bit long even split up into three chapters. I think that if you were to repost it in smaller chunks that you would garner the comments and votes that you got with Runway and Show Me The Money. By the way, I like the picture you have of Jennifer at the head of each chapter.
May Your Light Forever Shine
May Your Light Forever Shine
HuZzAh!!!
Good for you Arecee. Creative integrity. If this is what you need to do to GIVE US YOUR BEST,
I'm all for a little wait. Show Me the Money feels remarkably well plotted,
but there is always a certain amount of luck in writing in that way,
and being able to tinker with the remaining material as a whole
will help insure that it all works as a single coherent piece,
like a novel do. Best of luck, I know you'll get at least
one comment, most likely full-tilt manic hyperbole,
as this is my absolute favorite series here...
~~~hugs (and with dread over what you might have in store for Jennifer's mom), LAIKA
"Government will only recognize 2 genders, male + female,
as assigned at birth-" (In his own words:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1lugbpMKDU
Measurements of an Inchworm
Comments, and the number of them, are no indication of worth. Indeed comments themselves are rarely about the quality of the story or episode, but at best because readers liked it, or it struck a chord with them. A prime example from my own experience was the comment "I once had a pony called Sophie. LOL." One is of course always grateful for any recognition but such would hardly be called an in-depth critique on literary style or worth. So a comment is often an indication that a reader is well disposed towards the writer. Is reaching out to say that he/she feels involved. Just as a scathing, vitriolic, comment also means that you have involved someone to the extent that they are keenly engaged with what you have written.
Now if you want a lot of comments it is best to fish in ponds where there are a lot of fish; where perhaps a worm on a hook is more productive than a delicately presented dry fly. Nothing wrong in such a common sense approach but it depends on what you want to do. Follow your own star or dance to the tune of others. (Get your mixed metaphors here!) And there are of course many excellent writers whose chosen path coincides with many of their readers' desires and values and who can bask in the appreciation of others as well as their own satisfaction at a job well done.
But none of this has to do with quality or worth or any other of the indefinable benchmarks that concern authors. Amateur writers whose crusts can be earned or stolen elsewhere.
And of course sometimes, often indeed, comments breed comments. Entirely unrelated threads spin in all directions. Just to skew the statistics even further.
I am embarrassed that I haven't read either of the two stories that you mention Arecee. I seem to read less and less and what little time I have is spent trying to finish my own work or getting side tracked into writing comments like this. They are on my leisure list though as what I have read of yours I have enjoyed and certainly rate. i shall certainly try Mialing first.
I agree entirely in not posting until one has finished though. I shan't in future. At least not in the foreseeable :) I suppose I would never have finished DofC if I hadn't felt a moral imperative to finish it because of the readers who had said nice things about it. Otherwise an irresistible of inertia and idleness, both genetic, would have had me abandon it at an early stage. Although whether that proves or disproves anything is a moot point. It does mean that I shall avoid anything likely to be quite so long in future.
Hugs,
Fleurie
Mialing is very good but suffers from a terrible curse ...
I read it a while back and it is an intreaging and complex story of redemption. It is also a long piece, well long by online standards. Thus the curse. Long pieces are handicaped online. Ask Angela for one.
Goodluck with your works and I hope Krunch and many of our other missing authors, be they recent or a while back, find the time and muse to write again.
John in Wauwatosa
John in Wauwatosa
Chapters and comments
Stories presented in chapters get more comments than stories presented as one long piece. It's not that hard to figure out why. :) More opportunity to comment, mostly, but most stories are going to get more reads if presented in chapters.
Unless I have a compelling reason, I usually won't even begin a long story presented as one piece online because I know I'm not going to be able to finish it in one sitting and bookmarking a particular place is difficult.
My limit for starting something onscreen is usually about 15,000 words. That's about 30-40 pages in a book. In a book, I can read that much fiction in about 20 minutes (I'm a fast reader but I read fiction slower than non-fiction). On screen, it takes me more like an hour.
Personally, I think the ideal length for a chapter onscreen is about 8000 words +/-. Just my preference but that length is enough to move the story significantly without tiring an online reader whose physical situation is much different than someone reading a book. It can be a satisfying length.
Just some thoughts. :)
Hugs,
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
It seems to me that more
It seems to me that more comments are about what the characters did in a chapter and expectations of the characters next action than discussion of writing style.
In a complete work there is no reason for a comment on expectation, just go on to the next page.
Comments for a complete work may be more about wether the story rose to a personal level of disbelief or perhaps the 'person' used in the telling of the story. These are difficult to do without ripping at the story, few of us can give these views without sounding too vicious or picky.
If you want comments post in sections, maybe what you may expect someone to read in an hour every few days or even once a week til the complete story is posted.
I'm not sure if it is possible but maybe a date attached to a story part and then on that date it displays?? The poster/author can add several parts when they have time and the display for reading is held til the view date.
Possible
Yes, that can be done. It's just a little tricky to use.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Mialing...
is an excellent story, as is the Princess series. In fact, I'll bet a bunch of us get a rush when we see your byline appear. We are indeed in for a good story, well told. Your stories have a proper beginning/end, and your technical expertise (blending dialogue with exposition and narration, pacing, strong editing, and good word choice/phrasing) makes you a "genre treasure".
You've heard it before--Mialing and the other looooong stories are somewhat daunting. Runway and SMTM, which are actually longer than Mialing, have most likely attracted more readers because you delivered them in chunks. Alot of us stopped what we were doing and read a chapter, where a longer story would have gone on the drive "for later".
If you need proof, go back and look at some of the comments about Kaleigh Way's Marcie--some people couldn't even move in the morning without their "fix"!
Please, please keep writing, and you must know that Jennifer is in many of our hearts. You gave us a great gift in that girl and we want to know that she is OK, actually better than OK. I also really enjoyed the tease for Twisted, and can't wait to see where you take us with that one.
Let not your heart be troubled--you have fans that love your work--shame on us for not telling you that louder and more frequently!