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Read the story and watch the video at: http://www.wmctv.com/global/story.asp?s=8515744
A trans woman was arrested for prostitution in Memphis, Tennessee. Whether she was guilty or innocent is immaterial to what happened. The arresting officer told her to come over and be fingerprinted -- by referring to her as a "he-she" and a "fag" among other expletives.
She refused to answer to the derogatory names, and so he came over to her and began beating her in the face. He wrapped his handcuffs around his fist like brass knuckles and beat her more while another officer HELD HER DOWN. Then when she finally struggled to her feet to fight back, he maced her and then cuffed her and left her on the floor. Her skull had been cracked open and blood was streaming down her face, along with it being difficult to breathe and her eyes stinging from the mace.
The nurse that came in ignored her pleading for help and went directly past her to the officer that had been beating her to treat a minor scratch on the back of his head. Later the nurse was quoted as saying she "assessed" the woman and decided she was a non-emergency case. The video clearly shows her ignoring the woman without so much as a glance in her direction.
The officer that held her down was already probationary and was fired. The officer that did the beating is "being investigated to see if what he did was merited or uncalled for."
What?!? Write to the police department there. Write to the City Prosecutor.
Memphis Police Department
201 Poplar Ave
Memphis, TN 38103
P: (901) 545-5700
[email protected]
City of Memphis Law Division
City Prosecutors Office
201 Poplar LL 10
Memphis, TN 38103
P: (901) 545-5475
F: (901) 545-3470
[email protected]
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This Makes My Blood Boil !
I am fed up with the redneck cop mentality that seems to run rampant in the South. The officers and the nurse should be charged with major violations of civil rights. Whatever this girl was accused of, did not give the officers the right to do what they did. I hope that they do get charged under the Federal and State statutes. I do hope that someone in the state of TN has some compassion and a sense of fairness. They should be held to the same measure of the law as anyone else and charged with Felony assault and battery and failure to render aid. At the very least, the nurse violated the Hippocratic oath. She had an obligation to treat this woman and did nothing. I sincerely hope the city of Memphis pays dearly for this travesty.
It ain't just the south...
If you wear the right dress, you too can be Rodney KIng, in any city in America.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
The Hippocratic oath
... is violated by a large majority of medical practitioners
"I will neither give a deadly drug to anybody who asked for it, nor will I make a suggestion to this effect. Similarly I will not give to a woman an abortive remedy."
appears to suggest that those practising euthanasia or abortion break the oath. Arguably, it prohibits the prescribing of drugs that could kill (such as digitalis).
"To hold him who has taught me this art as equal to my parents and to live my life in partnership with him, and if he is in need of money to give him a share of mine, and to regard his offspring as equal to my brothers in male lineage and to teach them this art - if they desire to learn it - without fee and covenant; to give a share of precepts and oral instruction and all the other learning to my sons and to the sons of him who has instructed me and to pupils who have signed the covenant and have taken an oath according to the medical law, but no one else."
appears to suggest that you cannot charge for medical training without breaking the oath (although you can parse this sentence in a way that limits this to children of your instructors). It does suggest that any doctor who explains treatment to his patients, or any doctor that publicises details of medical treatment has broken the oath.
Before I get flamed for "being anti-abortion", I'm NOT!!! I'm just irritated at medical practitioners, and others, referring to the Hippocratic oath as if there is any chance that today's medical practitioners hold the original oath in anything but contempt. They may follow today's "ethical codes", but they don't follow "the Hippocratic oath".
After asking many doctor-friends
Since abortion was re-legalized, the line about "abortive remedy" was not in the version that any of my friends took. Not to say that it isn't still in use, but it's not universal. So you pointing it out doesn't make you anti-abortion -- it means you were simply pointing out hypocrisy.
On The Plus Side...
...the girl has herself a lawyer, who's making the most of this, a TV station appalled by the brutality, and happy to appall the public with it, and a police department panic-stricken about getting nailed for this in public. There's videotape! That's been publicly aired! The prosecutor's office dismissed any charges against the girl, and the Sheriff's Department made a loud and public point of saying "It wasn't us! We don't do that sort of thing," and giving testimony against the police (and evidently, the videotape to the plaintiff and the TV station). A probie has been fired, and the other s.o.b. is patrolling a desk. And, a police spokesman seems to be promising his head on a platter after a fair and impartial hearing.
Yes, the incident was appalling, but so far, I have to call the aftermath very, very encouraging. It's a consciousness-raising session for law-enforcement, city management, and the public, nationwide. How much better could it be!
So few of these cases gain any traction or have any evidence. They get swept under the carpet and the victims called liars, or beaten to death in prison. Let's hope this is a new trend, treating TG victims like actual citizens with rights.
I hope she wins a big settlement, and can afford to live a safer, more comfortable life.
perhaps wendy J is righ
the united states is not a safe place for a transgender person to live anymore. the police are a danger, even nurses and doctors wont help us. they help the persecutes. the land of the free is lost, it was never really free for minorities. till 1865 certain people could legally be enslaved. till the 1960s those certain people still could be ruthlessly legally discriminated against and were among the poorest of the poor. even today there are alot of people fighting against equal civil rights for certain classes such as gays, transexuals, blacks, jews. its despicable. how can anyone call america land of the free? britain is freeer than america and we revolted against great britain for civil rights. what a pathetic irony
tip of the iceberg
Transsexuals no doubt suffer police brutality to a disproportionate degree,
but they're not the only ones. I was in a county jail holding tank, where I saw two
officers working over a homeless schizophrenic man who they thought was "being funny"
with them. I had talked to him (not much else to do while your waiting) and realized
how out of it he was. I found myself shouting out, "He's 5150! He's not responsible!"
They didn't care for my advice at all, snarling, "YOU'RE not responsible. And you're NEXT!"
I'm sure it was only because their shift was changing that I escaped a similar fate.
Of course not all cops are sadistic psycho a**holes. Most are decent human beings
working to keep us safe from criminals, who would never wail on a transwoman
with a pair of improvised brass knuckles. But...
When it's only you and them in a locked room, and they happen to say
something to you like "Hey motherf***er, come get your fingerprints taken!"
I beseech you, do not explain to them that you've never lain with your mother.
Their verbal abuse is a power game; and believe me, right then they have all the power.
It's totally unfair and horribly degrading, and they sure have no right to treat you this way,
but there's being right and then there's leaving that place with all your teeth. Any sign of defiance
brings out the beast in the bad ones ...... I mean, do what you want, but this has been my experience.
Lodge your complaint AFTER you are out of their clutches. Because for every incident like this that gets caught on video there are (I will be generous & say only) 100 victims who have no proof that they didn't
"fall down the stairs" or "assault an officer". I hope that some day police forces everywhere will be able to weed out all the vicious bullies, but until then I myself am gonna be all "Yessir" about things if I ever end up back in the barry place (which I havent been to in 20 years btw, so maybe things have changed.).
I'm not saying this is the way things have to be. Some law enforcement agencies and jail facilities are better than others, there are ways to improve bad ones. I'm all for reforms that will help safeguarding human rights. And for lawsuits that will make people aware that this kind of thing really does go on,
and will bring about change...
~~~hugs, Laika
What borders on stupidity?
Canada and Mexico.
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A case
It looks like a case of police brutality that's being handled. I've seen discussions of police brutality (or potential police brutality) on other sites, from police officers and others who know police procedure, mainly discussing videos from traffic stops where the driver decides to be uncooperative. The police here clearly went too far, and the consequences are firings, certainly internal investigations, and so forth. It's why cameras are set up in the station, to protect the rights of the police officers and the those arrested. All to the good, and justice seems to be progressing. However:
Duanna is not a small woman. Up to that time, she had been cooperative because she hadn't been handcuffed. However, once in the police station, she decided not to cooperate with the police officer who asked her twice to come over and be fingerprinted, which was a lawful order, no matter what language was used. Under the law, she had no right to refuse (she is perfectly free to file a complaint for bad language afterwards), and this precipitated an automatic reaction. The police at this point, if they can't get the suspect to cooperate voluntarily, must subdue them in some way. How they do that depends on procedure. Often, with someone as large as Duanna, they just taze them or use mace or pepper spray -- a "compassionate" measure to avoid having to become physical -- and some simply (unfortunately) try to beat them into cooperating. After her second refusal to cooperate, it was mandatory: she was getting the handcuffs put on her, no ifs ands or buts.
Then, even after being hit a few times, she got up and struck back, and still refused to cooperate. It is at this point, I believe, where he maced her, and when she still refused to cooperate, I'm guessing two or three officers wrestled her to the ground and handcuffed her. As far as the nurse walking by, the tape isn't clear on that, except that the news reporter is clearly misrepresenting the incident. Duanna didn't struggle to get up, she made it up quite easily, and was sitting in a chair when the nurse walked by, not struggling on the floor.
Bad behavior by the police? Sure. Beaten because she was a transexual? It doesn't look like it. Let's not leap to wild conclusions. Until the time she decided not to cooperate with them, they were being nice to her. They could have brought her to the station in handcuffs. Duanna was arrested because of soliciting, a crime, and her actions afterwards don't exactly make her the victim poster child for racism or anti-transexualism.
Remember, too, this is Duanna's word against people who aren't permitted to respond because the case against them is pending. Don't jump to conclusions, folks. The Rodney King riots killed a whole lot of innocent people when the news media virtually only showed the part of the King arrest tape prejudicial to the police. It also looks to me that this reporterette is trying to make a name for herself. Be skeptical until you know all the facts.
Aardvark
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
Evidence
No, it's not a lawful order to call someone an insulting name and expect them to obey it. This sort of thing has been established in previous court cases. Cops do not have free license to call anyone just anything they want to. This is a civil right. At that point, if Duwanna's testimony is accurate, the cop had already violated her civil rights.
And no, after insulting someone cops do not have the right to assault them for protesting the insults. There is no MUST about their effort to subdue someone in that situation, it's assault under color of authority and it's a felony. If that is what happened on the tape, that cop should go to jail. The cop apparently used a weapon to punch a seated person who was not behaving in a threatening manner in the face, that's what appears to be on the tape. It's hard to argue that that isn't excessive force.
Frankly, you seem to have seen a different tape than the one I did. And you seem to have made some conclusions, like that she still refused to cooperate. That is not clear on the tape at all, but you state it as if it were a fact. What was she supposed to cooperate with, being punched in the face with a weapon? There's no evidence on the tape at all that the cop was doing anything but giving her a beating.
As far as use of pepper spray and mace, a cousin of mine suffocated in the back of a police car after being pepper sprayed because the cops drove him around for awhile while he choked and puked and coughed and died. The cop in this tape sprayed her, again, while she was seated and apparently not acting in a threatening manner. This is contrary to most police protocols for the use such tactics.
The probationary cop was fired for his part, which amounted to trying to restrain Duwanna from standing up. The cop who seems to have assaulted her is probably protected from firing or even being suspended without pay by his union or contract until administrative procedures are completed. Cops do need that sort of protection because not all cases of accused police brutality are fact. The probationary rookie got fired which to me says that the cops think this thing is pretty cut and dried against the other cop who did a lot more than try to restrain someone. I find it hard to believe that what the tape shows that cop doing is in the manual of the Memphis police force.
Was what Duwanna says she did smart? No. Was what the cop apparently did stupid? Yes, and very illegal, most likely.
The Memphis police and justice system actually seem to be trying to process this legitimately, unlike the case of my cousin (who wasn't even under arrest when he died). The evidence on the tape does not contradict Duwanna's story and is pretty strong against the cop. My cousin didn't have a tape and the DA refused to bring charges against the cops involved. Ray is dead because he answered the question, "Where is your slimeball brother, motherfucker?" With "I don't fucking know, asshole." There were witnesses, Ray was buying gas at a crowded gas station, but there was no tape. His drug addict brother was out of state at the time and Ray had not seen him in at least a year.
The Rodney King case proved that even with a tape and other cops for witnesses, it's hard to convict cops of police brutality. That's not an excuse for the rioters after the verdict was announced, but it is a fact.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Lot of things wrong here
A civilian is not authorized to decide that if he feels he is being insulted he doesn't have to obey a police officer when he gives him a lawful command. This should be a no-brainer. Telling a prisoner to come over and get fingerprinted is obviously a lawful command, so she didn't have a case. To put it another way, if a cop says, in a moment of excitement, "get out of the car, ass-hole!" it's rude, but still a lawful order. The guy can't force the cop to apologize to his satisfaction or else he gets to drive away without a ticket or with a hostage in the back. If there are cases to counter that argument, then I've never heard of them.
Frankly, you seem to have seen a different tape than the one I did.
Indeed? She refused to cooperate by her own admission. She didn't come to be fingerprinted after being told to -- twice -- the second time, again, by her own admission, when he didn't use the nasty terms. Case closed.
She was being punched in the face because the cop was being a jerk, for which he is undoubtedly in a lot of trouble. Nobody is justifying that, or, if she is telling the truth, the use of his bad language, which could also get him into seriously hot water. Now, I could theorize that he told her to stand up so he could put the handcuffs on her, which would be pretty much SOP, and would make sense because he brought out the cuffs at that point, whereupon she refused to cooperate again and sat down, but we don't know what happened because there's no sound. Hmm! A lot of guesswork and assumptions going on here. Regardless, something went seriously wrong and the policeman used some rotten judgment, and almost certainly violated all sorts of rules and guidelines.
To elaborate, there is no doubt that an officer is authorized the use of force to subdue an uncooperative prisoner, but there were certainly better ways of doing it -- what they were doing looked pretty ugly. Perhaps you could suggest a good method the bullet-headed policeman might have used to put her in handcuffs? By the way, I don't think he maced her until she was already out of her chair and swinging. She doesn't seem to have trouble with her eyes at that point.
I'm sorry about your friend, but that is neither here nor there. Tazers, pepper spray, and mace were given to the police to use as a more humane substitute to pulling a gun or beating a person into submission.
The Rodney King case proved that even with a tape and other cops for witnesses, it's hard to convict cops of police brutality. That's not an excuse for the rioters after the verdict was announced, but it is a fact.
You had to get me started on Rodney King. :)
Although it's PC to say so, actually, the Rodney King tape did not prove police brutality. The witnesses, by and large, helped the defense, which resulted in the CA jury, once they heard and saw ALL the evidence in context, clearing the four -- except for one charge on one of them. The federal civil rights trial after the riots was unprecedented, smacked of double-jeopardy, and was very politically motivated, in my very firm opinion. It ended up in an appalling travesty of justice for the two poor police officers, who were convicted, not of police brutality, but because the jury said, in essence, that they beat Rodney worse than they would have if he had been white. Now how they read the police officers' minds is unexplained, but it was a chilling 1984-type verdict. The jurors stated afterwards that they feared more riots if they didn't convict, so I understand why they convicted them, but still.... Yeesh!
Nothing can excuse the 55 deaths, many of whom were pulled from their cars and murdered for being white, and the thousands of injuries, the widespread looting of businesses, many of them Korean, or the lack of interest in punishing the offenders. Foremost blame for the riots, in my opinion, is a sick policy of racial victimology for political gain, followed by a press corps that was and still is more interested in a news "story" than putting out a balanced report. I also blame a flaccid G. H. W. Bush, the President at the time, for excusing and facilitating the injustices after the riots.
The lessons learned because of the incident are many and sundry, but that it's hard to convict police officers for police brutality ain't one of them.
Regards,
Aardvark
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
sad
A civilian is not authorized to decide between lawful order or unlawful orders, sounds like something chairman mao or stalin would say. something like we are too dumb to decide for ourself, we need to be lead.
Not what I said
That's not what I said, Christine, nor do I hold the view you state. Please re-read my beginning paragraph, which was a narrowly defined response to something Erin said.
Aardvark
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
Tell me, then...
The cop didn't call her an, "asshole," though. The cop was using terms that showed a bent toward discrimination. If the cop had called her a, "N*****," would you still say it was a lawful order? Quite likely, you would. But there wouldn't be any discussion about her being in the wrong at all. Instead of reacting violently, she simply ignored him, which was the better response. This was not an arrest situation where the cop was faced with someone not yet in custody as in your examples of driving away without a ticket or with a hostage in the back. This was a situation where she was already in custody in the station, so your examples are little more than an attempt to discredit by sensationalism.
She didn't cooperate because the cops were not following any protocol that I've ever seen. Show me where you are to refer to the suspect as, "Faggot," instead of by name. In fact, the procedures that I have seen REQUIRE the officer to use the name of the suspect when it is known. By referring to her in such a way, the officer committed assault right then. Ask any transperson if being called a, "Faggot," in such a situation would cause them to feel threatened -- which is all that is necessary for assault.
Exactly what authority allows the cop to punch her in the face -- at all? Let alone that she was being held down so she couldn't defend herself. You're right, we can't hear the sound, however, what we can see shows much that wasn't right. No officer has the right to attack someone in custody in such a way, no matter the provocation. Don't try to claim she could have been armed -- she was already in custody and so they KNEW she wasn't armed.
Use of force is authorized to subdue in VERY specific circumstances. This does not appear to be one of those by a long shot. Couple this with some Police Departments' penchant for ignoring court orders about their practices also recently in the news, you'd think that all the departments in the country would be on their, "best behaviour."
Tazers, pepper spray, and mace were given to the police to use as a more humane substitute to pulling a gun or beating a person into submission.
Because choking to death in the back seat of a cruiser when you've been falsely arrested when you've done NOTHING wrong to try to get information you don't have about a relative of yours is so much more humane than a gun.
Oh, and Double Jeopardy only works on being tried at the same level. Whether it was the same charges or not didn't matter because the Civil Rights trial was federal level and the criminal trial was local.
Sheriff v. Police
I'm not certain, but I believe the jail facility is operated by the Sheriff's department. The police are there to process their prisoner and transfer custody. In their arrogance, they seem to have forgotten where they are, thank goodness. That's why the videotape survives. The Sheriff's department wouldn't "lose it". The police deserve no break, and with any luck whatsoever, that's exactly what they're going to get. No break.
Last word, I hope
The cop didn't call her an, "asshole," though. The cop was using terms that showed a bent toward discrimination. If the cop had called her a, "N*****," would you still say it was a lawful order? Quite likely, you would. But there wouldn't be any discussion about her being in the wrong at all. Instead of reacting violently, she simply ignored him, which was the better response. This was not an arrest situation where the cop was faced with someone not yet in custody as in your examples of driving away without a ticket or with a hostage in the back. This was a situation where she was already in custody in the station, so your examples are little more than an attempt to discredit by sensationalism.
Yes, the cops were wrong to do what they did, and it seems, fortunately, that they are getting their just desserts. (We'll see.) Still, let me play devil's advocate for the moment with what you're saying above. 1. You're stating as a fact that what she said is true. That's an assumption. 2. You're ignoring that whatever he said to her, the second time around, by her own admission, he didn't use those terms. 3. Ignoring him (refusing a lawful order to be fingerprinted while under arrest) is hardly the same as, say, ignoring an obnoxious person while waiting in a snack line.
Reread what I said on the subject of what she might have legally chosen to do, I'd just be repeating myself. Let me ask you a question. If a prisoner refused to be fingerprinted, and if you were a cop, what would you do? I'm sure that you wouldn't come in whaling away with handcuffs and so forth, but how would you make the prisoner get fingerprinted?
She didn't cooperate because the cops were not following any protocol that I've ever seen. Show me where you are to refer to the suspect as, "Faggot," instead of by name. In fact, the procedures that I have seen REQUIRE the officer to use the name of the suspect when it is known. By referring to her in such a way, the officer committed assault right then. Ask any transperson if being called a, "Faggot," in such a situation would cause them to feel threatened -- which is all that is necessary for assault.
You must be referring to someone else. I quite clearly stated that the use of such terms violate police protocols (definitely true) and is absolutely wrong. As for the second point, that if someone calls someone an offensive term it's an assault.... Actually, assault is a legal term meaning the threat of violence caused by an immediate show of force. It has nothing to do with name-calling.
Exactly what authority allows the cop to punch her in the face -- at all? Let alone that she was being held down so she couldn't defend herself. You're right, we can't hear the sound, however, what we can see shows much that wasn't right. No officer has the right to attack someone in custody in such a way, no matter the provocation. Don't try to claim she could have been armed -- she was already in custody and so they KNEW she wasn't armed.
Again, you must be referring to someone else, since I was quite clear that the cops' actions were quite wrong. I'll even go out on a not particularly narrow limb and say that they at least one of them is looking at jail time. Don't have a clue where you're going with the armed or not armed thing.
Use of force is authorized to subdue in VERY specific circumstances. This does not appear to be one of those by a long shot. Couple this with some Police Departments' penchant for ignoring court orders about their practices also recently in the news, you'd think that all the departments in the country would be on their, "best behaviour."
Again, playing devil's advocate, use of force (whether by mace, pepper spray, taser, or whatever -- it varies somewhat from police dept to police dept) is authorized to subdue a prisoner when he or she resists arrest. Fact. I'm certain that this is the case in the UK, also. This does not mean she should have been beaten, and at least one cop, unless she's lying, completely threw away the book on police procedure, which, in my opinion, led directly to the confrontation, and then two cops violated the law when they tried to "handle" the confrontation the way they did. Don't know what you mean about all the departments being on their best behavior. There are good police departments and bad, just like anywhere in the world. Comparatively speaking, the US police are pretty good, and better at solving some types of crime than their European counterparts. Unfortunately, there are always bad apples to point at, and these guys are rotten.
[Tazers, pepper spray, and mace were given to the police to use as a more humane substitute to pulling a gun or beating a person into submission.]
Because choking to death in the back seat of a cruiser when you've been falsely arrested when you've done NOTHING wrong to try to get information you don't have about a relative of yours is so much more humane than a gun.
What I said about pepper spray, mace and tasers is incontrovertible fact; the public prefers that the police use them instead of beating someone into submission -- it's why they have them in the first place. The case you refer to has zero to do with the case in question, so why bring it up?
Oh, and Double Jeopardy only works on being tried at the same level. Whether it was the same charges or not didn't matter because the Civil Rights trial was federal level and the criminal trial was local.
Actually, in the US, double-jeopardy means being tried for the same crime again on the same facts -- period. It's a constitutional right, and level has nothing to do with it. In practice, it is extremely difficult to call for a new trial if a defendant has been acquitted. (This right is not so clear in countries like Belgium, Germany, the UK, and Canada, by the way, so I can understand the confusion.)
A civil rights trial is based on civil rights laws, so technically, assault and battery charges would not be the same, ergo, no double-jeopardy, still, it's extremely rare for the feds to prosecute a civil rights crime under such circumstances, in fact, I've never heard of another trial like it. That they did so in the Rodney King trial was no coincidence, in my opinion. That's why I said it "smacked" of double-jeopardy.
I seriously hope this is the last word in this thread. I'm getting a little tired of having to "defend" myself for simply trying to lend a bit of clarity and balance to a discussion.
Aardvark
You're assuming "Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
Not Quite
The "Rule of Law" does not call for violence and brutality to be used in compelling a non-violent and passive prisoner to do anything. If anything, it's in the prisoner's own interest to cooperate in the booking process, to expedite the arraignment and at least get a chance to seek bail, and in the meantime, to get a bunk and a meal. In this case, a little patience and decency on the part of police would have likely done the trick.
But let's say it didn't. What then, you ask? There are a number of possibilities, all keeping with the rule of law, and not having to do with the tempers of the men who are supposed to be peace-keepers. For starters, a judge could issue an order to the prisoner to comply, and failing compliance, jail her for contempt until such time as she did comply, or order her to be sent for psychiatric evaluation to make sure she was rational and not a danger to herself or anyone else. If she resisted transporting, she could be restrained, and carried if necessary, but this should be possible without violence or temper.
Just because they're personally annoyed, whether justified or otherwise, doesn't give the police or anyone else the right to issue summary punishment. Nor, for that matter, to use defensive weapons, truncheons or fists on someone who is neither attacking anyone nor trying to escape custody. "Teaching someone a lesson" is a job for the Court, not the Police.
Not Quite
It feels like I'm in a position defending what the police did on the tape, which is absolutely not the case, but here goes. It seems that many here are giving Duwanna, or any prisoner, all sorts of rights that she doesn't have. I can understand how it might be popular to paint this brutal police action as an automatic civil rights violation, but the truth, I would say, could very likely be far more ordinary. All I've been trying to do is put the events in context. Period.
The "Rule of Law" does not call for violence and brutality to be used in compelling a non-violent and passive prisoner to do anything.
Linking compulsion under the rule of law with violence and brutality? Insinuating that Duwanna was being "passive" given the circumstances? Pippa, you're a smart person and you'll surely understand why I don't need to dissect this any further. :)
If anything, it's in the prisoner's own interest to cooperate in the booking process, to expedite the arraignment and at least get a chance to seek bail, and in the meantime, to get a bunk and a meal. In this case, a little patience and decency on the part of police would have likely done the trick.
Too true in the first instance, very likely in the second.
But let's say it didn't. What then, you ask? There are a number of possibilities, all keeping with the rule of law, and not having to do with the tempers of the men who are supposed to be peace-keepers. For starters, a judge could issue an order to the prisoner to comply, and failing compliance, jail her for contempt until such time as she did comply, or order her to be sent for psychiatric evaluation to make sure she was rational and not a danger to herself or anyone else. If she resisted transporting, she could be restrained, and carried if necessary, but this should be possible without violence or temper.
It's possible that they could get a judge on the phone -- a rare and very unusual step, but possible. I've actually seen that happen once. A friend of mine, a roommate of mine while we were going to school, was angry at the $55 fine he received for not having a county tax sticker on his car, even though he had one from his previous county. He protested by bringing a milk jug with exactly $55 of pennies in it down to the county auditor, who told him to wrap the pennies up into rolls before he would accept it. Mt friend had just taken a course on business law, and so was an "expert" on the subject, and he refused to do so. It was a small town in rural Tennessee, but we were both surprised to see him get a telephone call from the judge, who told him that he had to wrap up the pennies before the auditor would accept them. He said, verbatim, "Your Honor, I don't believe I have to." The judge replied something like, "Well, if you think so." Fifteen minutes later, the Deputy Sheriff (who later had to leave town because he'd gotten a fifteen year-old girl pregnant -- but that's another story), came around, slightly amused, and my friend was off to jail less than a minute later, given just enough time to put on a shirt and shoes.
Anyone being arrested knows that they must be fingerprinted, and that refusal to do so will only get them into greater trouble, at the very least, being put in handcuffs. The police using bad language to make a legal order almost certainly violated internal police procedure, but is not against the law, a VERY key difference. Regardless, Duwanna had a right to be angry (anyone likely would be), but she did not have the legal right to refuse to be fingerprinted because of verbal abuse. Isn't this obvious?
Your solution is to call up a judge to come down to the police station and tell Duwanna that she must cooperate with the police, something they already have the authority to compel her to do, and something a reasonable person knows she must do under the law, and compose some sort of legal order. What would the judge's likely reaction be to such a request? Secondly, all your alternatives involve booking her, something she was refusing to do in the first place. Thirdly, how does one restrain an uncooperative person without using some form of force (violence)?
Just because they're personally annoyed, whether justified or otherwise, doesn't give the police or anyone else the right to issue summary punishment. Nor, for that matter, to use defensive weapons, truncheons or fists on someone who is neither attacking anyone nor trying to escape custody. "Teaching someone a lesson" is a job for the Court, not the Police.
The way you bundle together legal and moral arguments makes me dizzy. :) Nobody is justifying summary punishment or what the cops did. Question: When is a defensive weapon not a defensive weapon? When it is used as an offensive weapon. Mace, pepper spray, tasers: they are not primarily meant to be defensive in an officer's hands; they're intended to control.
It's not quite clear, but I have the feeling that you disapprove of police using any level of force short of self-defense. Your solution to the problem of what level of force was necessary to control a prisoner was a court order from a judge, a seemingly Monty Pythonesque solution: "Stop, or we'll shout 'stop', again!"
Clearly, the cops were wrong to use bad language, which violated police procedure and escalated the situation. After Duwanna became offended and stopped cooperating they might have apologized, but they, being who they are, didn't think much of that option. They were legally wrong to start beating her. They would have been far better served to get three other burly guys around her, then ask her to cooperate or be handcuffed, and, if she still failed to comply, to use the added muscle to compel her into cuffs with a minimum of damage and pain. She could have complained to the authorities afterwards about the bad language, and almost certainly would have had the cops in hot water. After rough treatment and nasty violations of procedure and law, like that, sometimes the judge will throw out a case, which, apparently, is what happened in her case.
Was it all about a violation of civil rights due to the language they supposedly (and probably) used? Did they single her out for abuse and beat her because she was a transperson? I don't think so. Up to that point, she wasn't in cuffs, although, when they arrested her, they had the right to put her in them. I think a far more accurate interpretation is that one of the officers decided to be "tough," wanted to make fun of her because he was a jerk, and the whole matter blew up far beyond their wildest dreams.
Aardvark
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
I stopped reading at this point
Aardvark: "Insinuating that Duwanna was being "passive" given the circumstances? Pippa, you're a smart person and you'll surely understand why I don't need to dissect this any further. :)"
This is called begging the question. How do you define passive if sitting in a chair, talking, until someone hits you in the face with a weapon is not passive?
Your insinuation that Pippa was trying to pull a fast one does you no credit.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Passive
Geez, just when you think you're being nice by not dissecting a sentence.... I think "trying to pull a fast one" is a little strong, although that could conceivably apply, I suppose. I was thinking more along the lines of "verbal gymnastics." :)
Let's consider the word, "passive," as it applies to her situation at the time you point out:
She is under arrest and is refusing to move to be fingerprinted. Her lack of movement is not because she doesn't care where is, it's an act of defiance, an I'm going to be anywhere but there. She is pissed off. She isn't going to budge even under the threat of force and possible future charges of resisting arrest, and when given the opportunity, she gets up and strikes the cop. She has all the passivity of a guard dog or a political prisoner holding on to his sanity for the day he is free.
Clearly, the word, "passive," here is not appropriate. An outsider viewing a still of the picture might think her passive because he can't see the underlying tension, but we who know have no such excuse.
Regards,
Aardvark
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."
Mahatma Gandhi
Sophistry
Counting her actions after she is hit in the face is not kosher. And you're insisting that you can read her mind, also not kosher. And being hit in the face is not an opportunity, it is assault.
But if sitting quietly in a chair and insisting that a policeman follow procedure isn't passive then the word is meaningless. You just can't get more passive than sitting in a chair. It certainly wasn't active resistance until the cop committed felonious assault.
You've destroyed all of your arguments.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
That video stinks and the
That video stinks and the 'cops' doing it should get kicked out of the force.
Not only are they violent assh*es they are also so stupid that they don't even remember their own surveillance camera filming them.
More cameras like that everywhere in those police quarters.
Handled by some impartial third party representatives of the community should put a stop to those bullies.
As long as the law is for all equally that is.
Yeah I know, but it could be :)
And if you don't react when something like this happens it will only build up into more and worse abuse.
And guess what happens then...
Yoron.