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Sad news, another great gone. Feels like a little bit of the future has gone with him.

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He Has Penned Many A Good Novel

Unless I am mistaken, of all the classic Science Fiction authors, only Isaac Asimov has as many novels turned into movies. We have lost a great mind in him. His stories I read when I was a kid and he got me hooked on Science Fiction.
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    Stanman
May Your Light Forever Shine

You are mistaken

Phillip K. Dick has them both beaten, in novels-to-movies and in short-stories-to-movies... but who says that's what makes you a great science fiction author.

Edeyn

Um, not so many films i think

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Only 2001 and 2010 that I can think of. Am I missing any?

I mean, Heinlein had two I can think of too; Destination Moon and Starship Troopers. For as long as I remember there've been rumours of one of Stranger In A Strange Land, but it's never come off. Possibly because of the strongly implied and intended satire of scientology that's in there.

Asimov; I can only really think of Bicentennial Man: The movie I, Robot is an utter travesty of everything Asimov was writing about and doesn't count.

In fact I suspect the winner may be Philip K. Dick.

Just to add, however,

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that Asimov's robots have been vastly influential in how we came to view robot characters in any fiction, film, TV or book. He really moved it on from the golem/frankenstein schtick.

Data in Star Trek TNG was explicitly intended by the star trek creators as an asimov-style robot. they even gave him a positronic brain. So that was a very clear and direct influence.

But Arthur did invent the telecommunications satellite. No-one was ever allowed to forget it. :-D

Asimov

Made the Three Laws and the Positronic Brain free concepts for anyone to use. And use, they did. There are over 200 authors in print and film combined that reference the Laws of Robotics and/or Positronic Brains. There is at least one that not only had permission but made the reference to R. Daneel and R. Giskard, as well Hari Seldon's Psychohistory.

Three for Heinlein

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Or Four or Five or more, depending on how you count. The Puppet Masters was made into a movie twice and Heinlein wrote the script for "Project Moonbase" in the 1950s and a story based on the script. There's also a Red Planet movie/mini-series. He also did some TV episodes in the 1950s and a few of his short stories have been adapted lately. The TV show Space Cadet in the 1950s was also based on a Heinlein book. Clarke worked on Captain Video around the same time and Asimov created Space Ranger, partly as a possible TV or movie series but it never took off.

Asimov wrote Fantastic Voyage and one of the Battlestar Galactica tv-movies (though they screwed that up by only filming half of his script, cutting it in half and having someone else write the second half).

Ray Bradbury may hold the record for well-known SF writer's works turned into movies, or P.K. Dick or Richard Matheson -- again, depending on how you count. :)

(Weird sidenote: Just discovered Bradbury is a distant cousin! I mean DISTANT but it's still cool. :))

Clarke, Asimov and Heinlein did not have more works turned into film partly through their own choices. Clarke and Asimov did not like to leave their homes to go to Hollywood and Heinlein was disillusioned by the movie-making process after some mixed experiences in the 1950s.

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

I came up with 10, counting TV episodes/programs

1. Rendezvous with Rama (2009) (announced) (novel)
2. The Colours of Infinity (1995) (TV) (writer)
3. Trapped in Space (1994) (short story Breaking Strain)
4. "The Twilight Zone" (1 episode, 1985)
... aka The New Twilight Zone (Australia)
- Night of the Meek/But Can She Type?/The Star (1985) TV episode (segment "The Star")
5. 2010 (1984) (novel)
... aka 2010: The Year We Make Contact
6. 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) (screenplay) (story "The Sentinel") (uncredited)
7. "Tales of Tomorrow" (1 episode, 1952)
- All the Time in the World (1952) TV episode (writer)
8. "Captain Video and His Video Rangers" (1949) TV series (unknown episodes)
... aka Captain Video (USA)
9. Childhood’s End 1997
10. Deep Impact (1998)

He even appeared in 2 films
1. 2010 (1984) (uncredited) .... Man on Park Bench – bit part - ... aka 2010: The Year We Make Contact
2. Baddegama (1980) .... credited actor ( Bollywood ? ) ... aka Village in the Jungle (International: English title)

One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness.
It usually comes back to you.

Holly

Another Clarke movie

He played himself in the TV movie Without Warning. I liked that movie and have it on DVD.

Einstein described insanity as doing the same thing over and over again and expecting the result to change. Was Albert a reader of TG fiction then?

Daniel, author of maid, whore, bimbo, and sissy free TG fiction since 2000

What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.- Oscar Levant

Clarke Suffered

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Particularly in the early days just from being British. Let's face it, SF was an American field through the middle of last century and while Clarke was probably the guru in the UK, in terms of exposure the likes of Heinlein and Asimov were the household names in America. That's not to denigrate him. Some of his early stuff still stands up very well even after 60 years and he was certainly one of the principal SF influences on me in the 1950s. Vale Arthur,
Joanne

He didn't suffer that badly

I started reading SF in 1951, and by 1956, figured he was one of the 4 best out there, ( Heinlein, Van Vogt, Clarke, & Asimov in that order ), based on Prelude to Space; The Sands of Mars; Islands in the Sky; Against the Fall of Night; Childhood's End; & Earthlight, all of which were available in my city library, and most in my school library ( I was still in my 7th year in 1956/57 ).
( Yeah, Holly is not a spring chicken, darn it )

I later down-rated E.E. van Vogt, moving Clarke into 2nd. I liked Van Vogt's Slan, and World of Null A, but as I read more of his stuff he went downhill, eventually falling clear out of my top 10, then top 20, etc.

Holly

One of the most difficult things to give away is kindness.
It usually comes back to you.

Holly

This could mean another demotion

In my very first teenage heavy metal band we wrote a song based on van Vogt's 'Empire of the Atom' which, if memory serves, started...

Stronger than ten men, his dark eyes conceal
the heart of an angel, a demon by deed.
He longs to control men, as he longs to be free
from the bounds of a body by science decreed.

We were wordy ne'erdowells :)

I was a tad dismayed to notice on Amazon recently, several sequels to 'Slan' which I liked even more than 'Voyage of the Space Beagle'

Clarke Suffered ...

Clarke Suffered ... Particularly in the early days just from being British. Let's face it, SF was an American field through the middle of last century and while Clarke was probably the guru in the UK, in terms of exposure the likes of Heinlein and Asimov were the household names in America.

You mean like Aldous Huxley, Eric Blair (George Orwell), C. S. Lewis, and J. R. R. Tolkien did just before them? :)

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

Starchild

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When I read the article on Yahoo the first thing I did was come here to BCTS. I wasn't surprised to find
the memorial well under way. It's funny, I was just thinking about him yesterday when we were commenting about Lem. Wondering how he was getting along down there in Sri Lanka .......... I liked Arthur C. Clarke as a kid, and was amazed by him all over again when he started doing those real nuts-and-bolts stories like Rendezvous With Rama (that amazingly constructed alien technology and hints of the civ that created it), and Meeting With Medusa (oceanography gone wild)- these books really put the SCIENCE in science fiction. Or that one about the space elevator (Fountains of Paradise?) where the whole dramatic climax came down to being able to saw through a bolt with a piece of monomolecular line? This sort of thing is about as far from Star Wars (which I am not dissing, it's fun flashy junk) as you can get. Yeah, he'll be missed...

About SF authors and movies: I don't know who had the most, but some of these movies are so far from the originals they hardly count as adaptations. Here Phil Dick comes to mind. To me Blade Runner was brilliant, but he didn't care for the pre-release version he saw before he died, and I can kind of see why. And Ahnold Goes to Mars? Fuggedaboudit! To me Dick was never about bigtime special effects but about the ordinary, sometimes pretty messed up people in these strange situations. The subtlety of his work has never been captured on film. The closest---oddly enough---was that cartoon thing of A Scanner Darkly.
PDK doesn't need a Ridley Scott to make his novels into films but someone like Gus van Sant
circa Drugstore Cowboy. But try pitching THAT to the studios. Oh well...

Farewell Arthur, maybe now you can tell us what those big black door-things were
(I don't buy the 3001 version---far too prosaic---but sense a cover-up there.)
~~hugs, LAIKA

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The Science in Science-Fiction

Arthur C Clarke was one of those writers that put the Science in Science-Fiction. His works were entertaining because of the ideas contained within them more than anything else. Yet another seer gone ahead before us.
grover

Quotes

Things Arthur C. Clarke gets quoted on now and again:

"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." (This is also known as Clarke's Third Law.)

(Clarke's Law of Revolutionary Ideas:)
"Every revolutionary idea — in science, politics, art, or whatever — seems to evoke three stages of reaction. They may be summed up by the phrases: "
(1) "It's completely impossible — don't waste my time";
(2) "It's possible, but it's not worth doing";
(3) "I said it was a good idea all along."

Of UFOs: "They tell us absolutely nothing about intelligence elsewhere in the universe, but they do prove how rare it is on Earth."

"Sometimes I think we're alone in the universe, and sometimes I think we're not. In either case the idea is quite staggering."

"The greatest tragedy in mankind's entire history may be the hijacking of morality by religion."

Oh Goody

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An argument. Holly and Aardvark. I have to disagree with both of you. Clarke may have been available on library shelves in the USA but he was certainly not among the most popular Sf writers until 2001 hit the presses/screen. A list of the most popular writers of the forties produces two British writers out of 38 (36 American) and for the fifties, 6 out of 75 (68 Americans). Even taking into account people like Wells and Verne modern SF was an American phenomenon. The four writers cited by Aardvark were hardly SF authors of the ilk of Heinlein, Simak, Bradbury, Asimov and, yes, Clarke. They were all mainstream writers and used SF backgrounds to push partucular ideas.
C.S.Lewis was a Christian apologist/propagandist pushing utopian ideas and was probably the nearest to a genuine SF writer amongst the lot.
Orwell used the themes to warn about the dangers of totalitarianism.
Huxley was warning about the perpetuation of class divisions enhanced by breeding techniques and mind/population control.
Tolkien wrote fairy fantasy stories.
I'm not saying Clarke wasn't good. I'm saying he would have received a lot more attention if he had been American. It still happens today. There is a Scottish/British writer called Ken McLeod who I believe would be stellar if he were American, but is little-known in the USA.
It's a fact of life. America has the power not only in military and financial matters but also in many aspects of culture. Like it or lump it,
Joanne

I'll second Ken

I only discovered him last year (I haven't read much SF in recent years) but have bought everything of his Amazon could provide. Not only are his books good, 'Dark Light' features a very, very good TG character.

Don't think so

Clarke has been a pretty popular sci-fi author for quite a while. 2001 was made in 1968, modified from a previous story Clarke had written in 1948. You seem to be saying that it is the US culture's fault that he wasn't more popular in the US before then.

Occam's razor, Joanne. Many authors/actors/businessmen in the US (and everywhere) weren't popular or successful until their first big break. What's the difference?

My list was a general list of UK authors who were world famous, giants of the sci-fi and fantasy fields spanning the years 1932 - 1956. Yes, I know what they wrote. American authors had no real comparison during that era. Many of the old American masters such as Merritt, Van Vogt, Campbell, Asimov, Heinlein, overlapped the era to some extent, and perhaps Asimov's "The Foundation Trilogy" came closest, but they simply did not have the towering influence -- or likely the sales -- of "1984," "Brave New World," "Narnia," or "Lord of the Rings." Truly, it was a British era.

Look at the big time American authors nowadays: Brin, Benford, Bear, Jack Vance, George R. R. Martin, Robert Jordan, and a slew of recent masters such as Zelazny, and so many more it would be a waste of time to name them: there is very little "American culture" in what they write, and the few references to American culture is not essential to the story. Based on their writing, there is absolutely no reason to believe that these authors could not have been born in the UK.

Is British sci-fi/fantasy discriminated against? I think not. Rowling, Pratchett, Adams, Gaimon, et. all, have made a pretty decent career at it, and certainly the "Narnia" and "LOTR" series have been huge box office smashes.

So, what do we have left? It's possible that sci-fi/fantasy isn't as popular or reputable in the UK, and so a lessor percentage of UK authors make their living with sci-fi/fantasy. It could be that there is less optimism in post WWII UK, and so fewer writers there seek the stars. It could be, for whatever reason, more authors per million write in the US than the UK.

Hollywood has an effect spreading American culture, but that movie industry paradigm doesn't hold for individual authors. Perhaps there is some advantage in being closer to where some of the largest the publishers are -- in fact, that is certainly true, as there are often book tours required -- but that is not a cultural issue, rather a marketing one.

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

Hmm

Maybe my memory is wrong but it seems to me that Clarke WAS one of the top three SF authors in the US long before Space Odyssey. Heinlein, Asimov and Clarke, they were often mentioned in the same breath.

Here's a partial bibliography from that period (excepted from Wikipedia):

Novels:
* Prelude to Space (1951)
* The Sands of Mars (1951)
* Islands in the Sky (1952)
* Against the Fall of Night (1953)
* Childhood's End (1953)
* Earthlight (1955)
* The City and the Stars (1956)
* The Deep Range (1957)
* A Fall of Moondust (1961)
* Dolphin Island (1963)
* Glide Path (1963)

Short Story Collections:
# Expedition to Earth (1953)
# Reach for Tomorrow (1956)
# Tales from the White Hart (1957)
# The Other Side of the Sky (1958)
# Tales of Ten Worlds (1962)
# The Nine Billion Names of God (1967)

That's some pretty dominant output. Heinlein had about a third more in the same period and Asimov a little less than that, not counting non-fiction for any of them. De Camp's output is comparable to Clarke's but wasn't as well-considered at the time.

As I remember it, Clarke was considered one of the leading lights of SF and one of the most popular authors with a greater claim to literary merit than other popular leaders in the field.

It just isn't true that British SF authors were in some sort of literary ghetto in the middle of the century and Clarke is the proof. Heinlein, Asimov and Clarke helped define that as the genre "Silver Age."

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Wanda

A fun note: Among other things, Clarke predicted Wikipedia and the Internet. He called it, "The Global Library."

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W.

Yes Ceri

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The opening sequence of "Dark Light" is a classic, isn't it? Everyone on BCTS should read it,
Joanne

tour de force

I don't think I put the book down before page 100 as I was trying to figure out Stone - and she still managed to surprise me in the last few pages of the book too. A really rounded character, beautifully realised.

I Love This

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Aardvark, you totally miss the point. Guys like Heinlein, Asimov, et al, didn't overlap the era. THEY WERE THE ERA. The people who read 1984, Narnia, Brave New World, Lord of The Rings, weren't SF fans. They weren't nuts like us. They were normal people. They weren't dreamers, idiots who could see what might be if only you dared. America, in that age,was the hope of the world, the place where the future could happen, if only we would let it. Clarke was one of them, but America was where it was all happening. What do you think it was like for all us kids who wanted to be astronauts, who wanted to go to the moon, to go to Mars, but we weren't American? My friend, don't tell me it was a British century.
I assume you are American, maybe wrongly, but it was you who could have got us to the stars, not the Brits or the Europeans, and I bet Arthur, in his heart, wished he could have been an American. Just maybe he could have made an extra bit of difference,
Joanne

Weird Tales of Scientific Amazement

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Science fiction took root and really flourished on U.S. soil, mostly thanks to those old Hugo Gernsback & John Campbell magazines, those cheap paperbacks with the great covers by Ace and Dell and Tor; and the pantheon of classic SF does seem to be mostly American. But I do remember reading John Wyndham (Village of the Damned!) and Brian Adliss as a kid, and I would count Huxley as a science fiction author, not just some egghead dabbling in the genre- I mean Ape and Essence? WOW!!! And I know my science fiction bookshelf would be a far duller place without the disturbing literary vision of J.G. Ballard
(who I certainly read more of than Asimov these days), or the hip pansexual psychedelic
zaniness of Michael Moorcock's Cornelius Chronicals...
~~~ LAIKA

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Goalposts

I'm don't believe that I'm missing the point, rather, I think you're shifting the goalposts around.

Your original claim was that American culture was so powerful, it hurt British sci-fi, which, presumably, had to conform or be damned to obscurity. I thought that I rebutted that satisfactorily with my example of a specific period (not a century) when British sci-fi and fantasy reigned supreme, and showing that the current American giants write very little about American culture. Now, you're onto something about reader discrimination and national space envy.

You make a point, however, that rings deadly true. I think that it's an absolute disgrace and human race soul-deadening disaster that the high point in space exploration was nearly forty years ago. We should have had a base on the Moon decades ago and been on the way to Mars by now. Worse, no one is even talking about it. That's the way to bring us together, not the bleatings of sheep and whining. Western culture desperately needs an enema and a steel-toed boot up its ***.

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

One Wonders

...if the politicians haven't maybe read a litte prognosticatory fiction of their own, and realized that as Man spreads out into the solar system, and much later, the galaxy, the power of Earth-based politicians and political systems diminishes.

Maybe (and yes I'm being a teensy bit cynical, albeit with humorous intent), just maybe the politicians aren't supporting any serious attempt at colonizing space because of a desire to retain all their power right here. Or, at least a fear of starting something they can't stop or control.

On the practical side, of course, the costs to colonize space are truly ginormous. Even a well-planned project which would bootstrap with the absolute minimum to begin sourcing necessary materials from the Moon for either building a base there, or lifting the materials with a mag-lev shotgun for construction of the closer proposed L-5 colony at the LaGrange point, would be really, really expensive. When doing budgets, it's an easy thing to put off because the immediate benefits to us here on Earth are hard to quantify. But, to very loosely parallel one of Clarke's quotes, perhaps the cost of NOT trying to colonize space will be even higher in the long run.

P.S. I have the two-volume conference report from the May 1975 Princeton/AIAA/NASA Conference on Space Manufacturing Facilities (Space Colonies). Reading through it, it seems so possible. Here we are, 33 years later, and it still reads like an easy-to-follow recipe. Just for fun, I'll type in the abstract. Please forgive any typos:


ABSTRACT
The Princeton/AIAA/NASA Conference on Space Manufacturing Facilities (Space Colonies), held May 7-9, 1975, explored construction methods, productivity, and payoff to the Earth of permanent industrial habitats near the L5 Earth-Moon Lagrange libration point. Discussions were based on 1970's technology, and on the use of lunar surface raw materials and solar energy as the sources for a rapidly expanding industrial economy. Satellite solar power stations built at L5, for use in geosynchronous orbit to supply energy to the Earth, were studied as possible industrial products for the 1990-2000 time period.

The Conference was organized and operated by the Princeton University Conference, and was cosponsored by the American Institute of Aeronautics and Astronautics (AIAA) and the National Aeronautics and Space Administration (NASA). Authors were drawn from universities, government organizations, and private industry.


To underline the serious undertaking of this conference, let me itemize this latter line a bit. (Others organizations attended as well, presenting on law, esthetics and design.)

Universities
Princeton (Multiple contributors)
CIT
MIT
University of Cinncinnati (on metalworking processes suitable for space)
University of Tennessee
Portland State (on planning diversity, value and enrichment of extraterrestrial comunities)
Stanford

Government
Nasa: HQ, Johnson Space Center, Goddard Space Center, Ames Research Center
Jet Propulsion Laboratory
Naval Aerospace Medical Research Laboratory/Pensicola
Lunar Science Institute

Industry
Boeing
Lockheed
General Electric
COMSAT


I should add that this conference was a follow-on from the May, 1974 conference at Princeton on The Colonization of Space, which is listed as an appendix in the first volume.

At the risk of repetition, it all seems so possible. That we haven't done it already does seem a serious shame.

One wonders if the

One wonders if the politicians haven't maybe read a litte prognosticatory fiction of their own, and realized that as Man spreads out into the solar system, and much later, the galaxy, the power of Earth-based politicians and political systems diminishes.

Maybe (and yes I'm being a teensy bit cynical, albeit with humorous intent), just maybe the politicians aren't supporting any serious attempt at colonizing space because of a desire to retain all their power right here. Or, at least a fear of starting something they can't stop or control.

You have a point. I'm probably even more cynical than that. Alexis de Tocqueville once said that democracy will survive until the people figure out that they can vote themselves money.

The following is my opinion, so take it for what it's worth:

This, I feel, has been happening for quite some time. After a certain point, the balance tips, and voila, a downward spiral to a socialist welfare state, of which there is no recovery, as far as I know, short of a revolution. Those who run welfare states have little incentive to explore the stars. Their priorities lie with appeasing the ever more demanding masses to stay in power. Eventually, virtually all the money is spent on an enormous, choking infrastructure, with very little left over for "frivolities" like defense, and even less for space.

Two kinds of societies explore space: a totalitarian dictatorship that doesn't care about its people but can see the advantages of space and expansion, such as the old USSR, and China, and virile democracies with a strong sense of self-worth, national pride, and a vision, like the 1960's USA. JFK wanted a man on the Moon by the end of the decade, inspired the country, and lo, it was done.

I have a book by Ben Bova, "Moonbase." It's a fascinating blueprint for establishing a workable colony on the moon. I wouldn't be at all surprised if the Chinese didn't colonize the Moon first. What an enormous shortsighted waste these past 35 years have been. R & D has always paid off. Damn shame.

Aardvark

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

"Happiness is when what you think, what you say, and what you do are in harmony."

Mahatma Gandhi

downward spiral?

See, I think a socialist welfare state happens to be one of the finest things that any society can aspire to, but then I was brought up in one. It wasn't totalitarian, it was a liberal democracy, but I really don't want to bandy ideologies around here, or cross dogmas.

Have you read any Ken Macleod by the way?

at odds with american SF

Clarke was a product of a British SF tradition; his earlier works are quite distinct from what was appearing in American magazine SF. He produced almost mystical books like 'Childhood's End' and 'The City and the Stars' that owed a great deal to Olaf Stapledon's work; at the same time he was producing short SF stories like those in 'Tales from the White Hart' which combined a kernel of hard SF with a touch of whimsy, and works of realistic hard SF like 'A Fall of Moondust' and 'Earthlight' that stripped away all the romance of space adventure - the space battle in 'Earthlight' is a prime example. I can't think of an American author of the time who wrote exact equivalents, which isn't a bad thing in itself I might add.

Post '2001' he matured as a writer IMHO, and the books running from 'Rendevous With Rama' through to 'The Songa of Distant Earth' are far more rounded pieces (containing less and less veiled references to his sexuality), adding emotion to the hard stuff.

If we're outing neglected Brit SF then I'd nominate John Christopher's 'The Death of Grass' and 'The World in Winter' - both bleak, post-apocalyptic novels and much darker than anything before or since.

I Would Nominate John Wyndham

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As the most underrated British SF writer of that period, even though a lot of his work was eventually recognised. The Midwich Cuckoos, The Day Of The Triffids, The Chrysalids, the wonderful Space Is A Province Of Brazil and lots of others,
Joanne

Discovery and Exploration

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I discovered Science Fiction in the late 50s and mined every library I could find for books and then when I had my own money magazines and paperbacks. I honestly was not aware of which authors were British and which American and sometimes was surprised when I found out. Clarke, in fact, I thought was American and deCamp, British. Ray Bradbury could have been either and not surprised me. There was a distinct sub-current in SF which respected British tradition and literature.

There were 4 or 5 times as many Americans as British at the time, so it's not surprising that there were more American authors. For the period of the fifties and sixties, America boomed economically and Britain did not, another driver? Not as many British authors went into writing SF for whatever reason, but those few had an impact greater than their numbers. Compare other genres of writing. How many British writers of Westerns were there? :) (A few, yes, there were.)

Clarke proves the British influence in SF. Through that whole mid-century era three names were synonymous with great SF, and one of those was Clarke.

What made the American dominance what it was though, was the American pulp magazines of the 20s to 50s. Britain had no comparable market that would gobble up everything you could write. And British writers were handicapped in submissions to publishers in New York. For that proof, look at the dominance of New York area writers in all kinds of American publishing; even today they are disproportionately represented.

Clarke did not write the volume of stuff of some other writers but much of his stuff was very influential. Like Bradbury and Sturgeon, you couldn't get his ideas out of your head. Heinlein and Asimov had ideas, too, and told great stories but face it, neither of them was much of a stylist. :) Clarke had mood and a sense of poetry and if he disappointed me at all it was that I couldn't find more of his stuff.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Don't forget about...

There were the five bored Sci Fi authors at a Sci Fi convention. One made the brag that he could invent a religion that would require people to pay to be a part, and make it successful. He further bragged that he could base it off of his own writings. The four dared the fifth to follow through with his brag. He declined. The four each bet him $1.00 that he couldn't really do it. So he invented Scientology (and won his $4 bet).

Of course, L. Ron Hubbard was the fifth. The other three were Robert Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, Arthur Clarke, and Ray Bradbury.

This is, of course, an Urban Geek Legend, and I have not only no way to prove it, but not sure I totally believe it myself -- but it's a fun story.

Got the people wrong :)

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Heinlein was there in the versions I've heard but DeCamp was supposed to be one of the others and I've never heard that the other three you mentioned were there. The Bet was for each of them. Heinlein and DeCamp did stories based on the idea. Stranger in a Strange Land got part of it's inspiration there and DeCamp used the idea in one of his Viagens stories. The other two guys I've heard variously as being Poul Anderson, Fletcher Pratt, C.M. Kornbluth and Judith Merrill, Ted Sturgeon or P.J. Farmer. It's probably an urban legend but it's cool, anyway.

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

It's Almost True Edeyn

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It was documented in correspondence between John W. Campbell(then the editor of Amazing/Analog) and L. Ron Hubbard. My memory says Clarke wasn't present, but I could be wrong :-)
Joanne

The really frightening thing ...

... about all this is that I used to devour SF in my teens and early 20s (1950s/60s) and all the writers and a lot of the story titles 'ring a bell' but I can't remember a thing about the vast majority of the actual stories. I remember thinking John Whyndam's stories were old fashioned rubbish (even when they were new) and that the Foundation Trilogy was wonderful - most of the rest is lost in the mists of time.

Science fiction nearly cost me very dear, as when I was supposed to be swotting for my 'O' levels in 1956 someone lent me about a dozen SF books and I spent most of my study time reading them. I did manage to pass all the subjects (including French, which was a miracle) but had I been more single minded I might have made the 6th form and even University. So, for me, SF has a lot to answer for ... if only I could remember what the question was.

Geoff

It’s sad about Arthur C. Clark.

I became a voracious reader at about age 12-13. Although I began to read a lot of things, Most of what I read was science fiction. When I was fifteen, I used to drive over
to the bookstore every Saturday, where I’d buy five books of the then $2.25 for about
200 pages variety. I’d usually look for one larger book to read at home on the weekend.

Every school day, I’d take a book, which I’d have read by the time I got home. I read
a lot of science fiction in those years.

In my college library, at the far end of the third floor in the periodical stacks, I found the
most astounding, and amazing collection of old Science fiction magazines. No one had moved them in years. That quarter, I made B’s, and often found myself missing lectures, because I kept getting lost in good ‘ole ‘Lets have a space war Science Fiction.’ Swamp women of Venus.

I think my favorite Clark story was ‘A Fall of Moon Dust,’ but it would be impossible
to seek out just one story amongst so many good memories. I can’t remember what I
had for lunch today, but in those early days, it was like I could step into the book and pull it up over my head. I remember every one of them.

I think that I shall now miss those days just a little more.

Sarah Lynn

You Say Tomayto

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I say tomahto.
Aaardvark, it's a fun argument, and we could keep going without ever agreeing. I'll call a truce even if you won't. One thing we both agree on is that the great opportunity to get humankind into space was squandered. By now we should have had a permanent moon base and at least been to Mars,
Joanne