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Happy St David's Day everyone! I'm up early to get a headstart on the leeks....

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LOL!

Good one, commentator!

KJT

"Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose"
Janis Joplin


"Life is not measured by the breaths you take, but by the moments that take your breath away.”
George Carlin

Naah! Can't Be

joannebarbarella's picture

He's not Polish and I bet you can't find a Welsh plumber to save your life. Now, Ceri, when you're going after those leeks remember to orient yourself on the right side of the mountain. Have a good one,
Joanne

St. David's Day

I hope those were free range leeks?

Please excuse my ignorance about this holiday - I am a Yank, after all -

What colors are associated with this day and how is it celebrated - is there a website you can recommend I check out?

He conquers who endures. ~ Persius

Best suggestion I have

Is to follow the link on the "Shortcuts!" posting to read the Wikipedia article about the day.

Leeks

All I know about Wales I learned from Fluellen in Henry V.

Hmmm

A twist and a turn on an old pondering...

All mammals have hair.
All Wales(folk) are mammals.
Shave the Wales!

I didn't do much for St David's Day,

Angharad's picture

went riding my bike without either a leek or a daffodil! Shameful I know, however, there is a Welsh mention in the latest episode of Charlotte's Tale, including Sosban Fach.

Cofleidiau,

Angharad

Angharad

So did I.

It was a beautiful, if rather breezy, day in the Peak District and 50 hilly miles were just the job, although I'm slightly knackered right now - fitness will arrive in its own good time. I confess the significance of the date totally escaped me just as I expect the significance of the 23rd of next month will escape the BC Welsh Mafia :)

OK, I'll tell you. It's the anniversary of Shakespeare's birth.

Enjoy your meals of daffodils and the decorative leeks in your hats.

Geoff

What the hell is a swede?

I was looking at the St David's day recipe on the BBC and lamb, parsnip, carrot and such I understand but a sweed? What do I do, cut up a member of ABBA?

John in Wauwatosa USA very confused and not the least bit a canibal.

John in Wauwatosa

Swede

In your strange colonial idiom I believe you call them rutabagas

Yup, rutabagas

erin's picture

Or turnips, depending on what part of which country you live in. A root crop of the cabbage-mustard-turnip-radish family. Rutabaga is the Norsk or German name for them, I forget which.

Here's a table for what's called which where: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turnip_(disambiguation).

- Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Leeks and Turnips, come away ...

Come, come, come away. ....

We have turnips too but they aren't swedes.

Maybe they are in Welsh though. According to the Financial Times this Saturday, leeks and daffodils share the same name in Welsh - cenhinen. This must be very confusing, especially in restaurants. However if this indeed the case it is hardly surprising that some nations, especially colonials, have difficulty in distinguishing their swedes from turnips, rutabagas from potatoes, sheep from goats, etc.

The same article attributes the rise of the daffodil to the Victorians who thought it a more genteel thing to wear, and probably with distinct olfactory advantages. To add a touch of precision the correct daffodil to wear is Narcissus pseudonarcissus (the Lenten lily) or the narcissus pseudonarcissus ssp obvalaris (the Tenby daffodil).

I hope that is clear now. No need to worry about being incorrectly dressed. The Welsh Guards still wear leeks though. Nothing pseudo about them evidently.

Hugs,

Fleurie

Fleurie

Not strictly true

'Leek' is 'cenhinen' while 'Daffodil' is 'cenhinen bedr'; you might abbreviate the latter by omitting 'bedr' but then you'd take account of the context in which it was used, or you might just use 'daffodil' (which is derived from Latin anyway) :)

meant to mention it earlier

the absolute best way to eat swede is creamed with potatoes, a confection which has as many names as Wales has villages (in ours it's 'ponch')... it was a regular treat with onion gravy, and (no sniggering please) ffaggots, but not shop bought... my mother still makes them to my grandmother's recipe - chopped liver, onion, sage and thyme wrapped in 'lights' and baked - the squeamish went hungry in our house :)

Can vegetarians eat swedes?

Or, can Swedes eat vegetarians? If yes, is there a hunting season?

I am sniggering, so there! I even thru in a chortle or two for good measure - metric even!

I love language; it's such a bar to communication - Who was it who said that the Brits and Americans were separated by their common language? (really bad paraphrasement there!)

So rutabagas = yellow turnips, not spuds/potatoes. So then, in Ceri's comment, what's a 'faggot'? I doubt it's a cigarette or a bundle of sticks....?

Happiness and success are neither necessarily contemporaneous nor connected.
~ Gordon Sumner, quote from a radio interview I heard around 1990

He conquers who endures. ~ Persius

Faggots ....

....are savoury ducks. At least in the North Midlands. Possibly elsewhere too. Although probably not in colonial territories.

Hope that clarifies things.

Hugs,

Fleurie

Fleurie

To Fleurie

joannebarbarella's picture

You refer to "colonials". When does a nationality cease to be "colonial". Presumably you are English. Are you not then a colonial in the eyes of the Welsh and the Scots? Were your ancestors Norse? Just so you won't think this comment is "colonial" I am a transplanted Pom whose ancestors include Scots (I can trace my ancestors back to Robert The Bruce), Irish,Russian,Cockney, etc. Now I consider myself Australian. Am I a "colonial" in your eyes, and if so, why?
Joanne

Colonialism for Joanne

Being English I am accustomed to considering the Welsh, Scots, Irish, Manx etc. as subject races fortunate indeed to benefit from the benevolent guidance in their daily affairs offered by us. Indeed as proof of the value of this relationship, all these nations are now considered to have absorbed the elementary principles of liberal civilisation and recently have had a degree of peripheral authority handed back to them to see how they can manage by themselves. This is proving moderately successful and today I note that the Welsh have introduced a new law relating to the free car parking in the hospitals located in that principality. Encouraging signs indeed! The Irish factions are rumoured to be actually starting to talk to each other and as soon as they also learn to listen then further progress can surely not be far behind.

Scottish politicians are still undergoing training at Westminster. You may have heard that to date this has proved to be less successful. The last scion of one of the leading Scottish Public Schools, a certain Blair, proved to be a liar who took us into an illegal war. The jury is still out on the current trainee who managed to sneak in by the stratagem of using an English sounding surname as an alias although he had not the wit to change his Christian (I use the adjective loosely) name. Such a combination of deviousness and carelessness does not promise well however.

I will make an exception for the Manx whose parliaments do in fact pre-date our own. As far as is known they have had a fairly successful millennium but nevertheless you can be assured that we continue to keep a fatherly eye on their activities.

I am not sure any of the above can be dignified with the term colonial though, as they, together with sundry other small land masses, form part of either Britain, the United Kingdom, and/or the British Isles, all of which would preclude the description.

I am not sure what you mean by a transplanted Pom. I know many were at one time transported to Australia when the prison hulks began to show their age. I am afraid though that although their status in due course passed from convict to colonial they can no longer be deemed to qualify as the latter. There is a limit to what we can undertake these days when our financial resources are so tightly stretched and we have no longer a ready supply of Scottish and Welsh missionaries to dispatch abroad to shoulder the white man's burden. So I am afraid you will just have to manage on your own for the foreseeable future. Although as we currently do again have a problem of overcrowding in our prisons, there may be some opportunities fot further co-operation again soon.

The best status I can offer therefore is that of an ex-colonial. You mustn't be too disheartened by this as it is something you can share with the citizens of lots of other perfectly respectable countries including a couple in North America as well as a couple of hundred others spread throughout all corners of the globe.

The use of the term colonial in my comment was partially a little tongue-in-cheek, partially carelessness, and partially to spare the feelings of those who might otherwise feel a little excluded from our privileged 'club'.

Hugs,

Fleurie

Fleurie

Carelessness, Was It?

joannebarbarella's picture

Dear Fleurie,
I called you out for your undoubtedly unconscious use of the term "colonial". Those hundreds of years of absolute moral authority imbued by your, oh so friendly, civilising mission to your fortunate neighbours, that just needed a little persuasion at the time to persuade them to see the light.
Unfortunately, I can hardly claim any moral high ground for my own nation. You may be aware that we have just apologised to the people with the greatest right to call us colonials. You and I could have a fascinating discussion on the benefits of liberal civilization that we, with America, are currently bringing to the fortunate people of Iraq.
However, you answered my totally unwarranted complaint with some wit and erudition, and a sort of apology. I accept that with the grace that your people instilled in mine.
Don't do it again or I'll come over there and rip yer bloody arms orf!
Hugs,
Joanne