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If you want to know why ask Erin. Should didn't inform me of her posting policy while knowing what I was going to do for about a month. Don't have to take this BS. I didn't post a story to get it buried. Not that all that many will care anyway.
The rest of my story will be posted to Star Dust and Fictionmania when its completed.
Danielle
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Danielle's reason
I ALWAYS move the earlier chapters of stories down when a newer chapter is posted. When two chapters are posted at the same time, I sometimes leave both up there for a day or more then move the earlier numbered one down. This is designed to give as many stories as possible a chance at the upper part of page one. Danielle objects to this. I told her I would leave both chapters of her recent story together near the top for an extra day (or until she posted a chapter three). I did so. Now she pulls her stories.
Someone please tell ME what her reason was.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Tell me where I was supposed to find this out?
From your email to me-
"This has always been the policy at BC when multiple chapters of a story are on the front page, only the most recent one is left in the "yellow." In the case of two chapters posted at the same time, they're left together for a time, usually until one of them has 200 reads or so, then the earlier one is moved down. It's not a perfect system but I do it this way in an attempt to be fair about which stories are on the front page near the top. If no new stories are being posted, I may leave a pair of chapters together on the front page for longer, but seldom more than 20 or 30 hours. Sometimes I screw up or I'm out of town or something so things don't get done in a timely manner.
In the case of your latest story, I left both of them near the top until both had over 300 reads and two newer stories had been posted. It's just my effort to give everyone access to BC. :) If I didn't have a policy like this someone would divide a story into seven or eight parts and post them all at once, driving other stories well down the page. I speak from experience, just such repeated behavior led me to the current policy. It's as fair as I can think to make it and still be something I can keep up with."
Am I supposed to be a mindreader? No where did I see this policy and by the way you didn't answer an email of mine last night.
Yes and you did write
I'll put your chapter one back up with chapter two near the top for the rest of the day or until you post a chapter three.
Which is that supposed to mean? As I said in last night's email, Part 3 isn't going to be ready till next weekend at least. Don't forget this post of mine, which you replied to. No warning about your policy there either.
I'm supposed to read your mind. Sorry I don't think anyone at this website posesses that ability.
Danielle
Daniel, author of maid, whore, bimbo, and sissy free TG fiction since 2000
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.- Oscar Levant
Policies
The policy has been discussed before. Where on the main page should I devote space to discussing policies? I prefer to put stories there. I provide a forum tab for asking questions.
I thought the English of my reply was pretty clear in context. You didn't ask me what I meant if I was unclear. I'm no mindreader either.
I received no email from you last night. I moved your story down at eleven and went to bed shortly after midnight local time, got up at seven, now it's eight.
Yes, I replied to your earlier post saying I welcomed serial posts.
If you had posted me that one extra day near the top wasn't enough, I might have offered an extra day. I'm flexible and accomodating, the rules are there to make things easy on me making decisions of how to do things; they aren't written in stone.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
They're all gone
I just finished deleting every single story of mine here.
Not that more than maybe 3-4 people are going to care. I try making my long stories(which I take hell from idiots who know how long the story is and don't bother to read it, but take time uniformed comments on it) easier to read. What thanks do I get? A site owner who without warning, buries part of my story. Erin did that Monday morning, would have been nice to say something to me before doing it. ERIN DIDN'T! This policy of hers, isn't done at either FM or Stardust. I would have abided by it, if I had known about it. Erin could have told me, but she didn't. So she's the one to blame here. I don't need this BS.
Daniel, author of maid, whore, bimbo, and sissy free TG fiction since 2000
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.- Oscar Levant
Hundreds of people read your stories
Now you showed them, didn't you?
I never say anything to people when I do things I have been doing for four years. As for FM, FM has no front page, not comparable. Stardust gets fewer posts so does not have as crowded a front page but yes, Bob has a policy also, it;s just different from mine because our circumstances are different.
You removed the stories, I didn't. If you had asked me to remove them, I would have, that's never a problem.
- Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
Waste of time
If hundreds read my stories(from end to end) and I seriously doubt it, next to none comment. 2, 3, comments on anything I wrote here. If I was lucky. There was a story that I deleted that had zero. It was 5,000 words in length, no one could complain about its size.
Bottom line- Your policy is a big secret,(what's the big deal to start with? Tell me that. For I won't have another part ready for 5 days to 14 days. Its not like I'm dropping a story off 1,000 words at a time every day just to hog the front page.) you dropped my story, and basically this website is a big waste of time so far as my writing goes. Other than Stacy, Grover, and John in Wasutosa, who's going to miss me? Life is too short, and I ought to know.
Daniel, author of maid, whore, bimbo, and sissy free TG fiction since 2000
What the world needs is more geniuses with humility; there are so few of us left.- Oscar Levant
Sorry you feel that way
I treated you exactly the way I treat everyone else, except because you complained I left your two chapters together on the front page an extra day. And see? You're complaining about people hogging the front page when the policy you're protesting was in response to other such complaints.
The policy has never been a secret, BTW. It's been discussed here before, it's observable to anyone who watches the site over the period of a week and you asked me and I told you. I used to be in the secrets business, and that ain't a secret. :)
I didn't "drop" your story in the sense of removing it, I moved it down the page and only one chapter of it at that after putting it back for an extra day and telling you what I was going to do. Both chapters had over 700 reads, or at least opens, at that time, almost twice as much as the stories that were just above and just below them. That count is just as accurate for your stories as it is for anyone else's.
You want more comments, ask for them. I've done it myself and at least one other author did it the very day you posted your last chapters. Deleting your stories deleted all the comments people had made on them, so it doesn't look to me like you considered comments all that important after all. If you'd asked me to do the story removal, I could have saved the comments; when you deleted them they were gone for good.
Life is too short, and as you say, you should know. But I've discovered, life is the same length for everyone. You're born, you live, you die. Six or seven words is all there is to a "life sentence". A boy who died at age twenty taught me that.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
The posting policy at Stardust
Danielle,
This is official notice that I do have a posting policy at Stardust. An explanation of that policy is now available on Stardust's main front page. I urge you to go there and read it before you post any more parts of your current story there. Due to the frequency of some postings by authors I've implemented a a policy to de-list some story parts from the front page of Stardust as newer parts of the story are added. I do NOT remove the story part since all of the parts of the story are linked together in the sequence they are posted on Stardust. De-listing some parts of a story, especially daily serial type postings, means that other stories may reside a little longer on the front page and may get more comments including yours if you post on a less frequent basis than every day.
Rather than take up Erin's bandwidth here I'm willing to discuss my policy for Stardust on my own site.
Bob Arnold
Thanks, Bob
I've added some text to the top of the +Fiction page to clarify things here at BC.
Hugs,
Erin
= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.
It's up to you, but
I would have thought a little before going the whole hog and yanking all your stories.
This site is Erin's site, to do with as she pleases. Fortunately, her personal decisions are not an issue with most of the people here as she does it with the majority in mind.
I have been peeved when I post a story on a day that many others choose also to post and instead of being at the top, it slides down the front page, but that's the way it goes.
This is without doubt, the best site of its type and I believe you you are cutting your nose off to spite your face. You would likely have a bigger reader base for your stories here than anywhere else and more of a community spirit to go with it.
Sure we piss each other off every now and again, but to do what you did?
You're the only one who loses here.
Most unfortunate but do what you think best
Danielle,
It is the nature of the beast known as online posting to get scrolled down as newer stories come in. Sometimes -- when things are slow -- a story may stay on the front page for days, it'd happened to me. MY stuff sitting on the front page for days, the World must be mad.
Yours posted right around when Bob's Stardust contest ended and was subject to a modest flurry of entries getting crossposted(?)/posted here by their authors to make then easier to read. I am one of the guilty. BC has more bandwidth than Bob's Stardust so this spreads the pain. Add on the ongoing serials and normal posts and a lot of stories hit at once so they all pushed each other down. You simply had unfortunate timing. I do see how it could have upset you after all the work and research you did. I recall your multiple posting through Saphires TG list for techinal advise on Japanese cars and such.
Your stories did not get a huge number of hits or comments I imagine because of their length. For example, I have had a copy of Angela Rs reworked Shannon's Course for months and keep failing to review it because the size intimidates me -- sorry Angela. I read the original and I am certain the reworked one is a compeling story. I am on vacation and have a cold so I will catch up on lots of stuff this week I imagine. Danielle, your works are an acquired taste -- I rather enjoy them -- but you need to give us short attention span readers time.
Oh I like the start you have on your current thriller. Curse you for ending the second part on a cliffhanger.
I hope you return your stories here but I will continue to read them elsewhere if I must. I am sorry you and Erin had the exchange I read. It is obviious you felt mistreated as it is obvious Erin feels hurt by your words. Even the best of friends can argue. I wish you both well.
That is the key problem I see with communicating by text via computers. You don't get any of the body lauguage or infllection of face-to-face and supposedly that is the bulk of the convesation. the other key is one can feel a little anonymopus and reply without due caution. I've done it myself and usually regretted it.
I hate seeing either of you hurting but then I'm a softey at heart.
John in Wauwatosa
John in Wauwatosa
No surprise
Erin has made known that she works this way several times, I'm sure it has come up since you have been here. She and Bob over on Stardust have made it clear that they will try to maximize the length of time a story stays up top, but circumstances may make that difficult. So, stories that are in multiple parts will receive a "cover page" and the chapters will be linked together. I looked over on Stardust and that is what has been done with your latest, a cover page was created on Nov. 4th.
We'd all like our stories to stay at the top for a long time but that's not always possible. I have had the unfortunate experience of being one of 10 or so who posted a story on the same day and watched my latest quickly get pushed down the homepage. I wasn't happy but it certainly wasn't Erin's fault that all of us decided to post the same day. Erin did make a change, moving the blog posts to the bottom so they wouldn't push the stories down.
I remember awhile back you were upset that the "Five-O" story didn't get the comments you felt it deserved. Now you pull this stunt. I'm sorry you feel Erin doesn't run this site the way you want, and that people haven't commented the way you want. That's life. BCTS and Stardust are the best two sites of this type on the web, IMHO, and I think both Erin and Bob run them in a manner that is best for the majority of the authors and readers. Erin has real life issues that would have brought down many people before now, I am daily grateful that she considers this site worth her continued efforts. She doesn't receive nearly the props she deserves, and neither does Bob.
So, thanks to Erin and Bob for two really great sites. Danielle, I hope you reconsider your decision.
Karen J.
"Being a girl is wonderful and to torture someone into that would be like the exact opposite of what it's like. I don’t know how anyone could act that way."
College Girl - poetheather
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Danielle Chill out a minute
I have posted two stories here recently and they both were there imediately. Over time they slipped down and I did not object. Geeze this ain't the Holly wood writers guild you know.
In my mind, it is simply a bunch of people getting together to do what they like to do. Some here are good enough that they have gone on to write professionally. Generally, I like this place because for the most part it is pretty laid back.
I won't mention any names but there are several here who have terrific ability, far above the rest of us, and I don't see any of them "gettin all upidy and causin trouble".
Gwenellen