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I'm not a fan of forced fem stories. If it's not voluntary, making someone do something that will put them in danger -- either at the time or later on -- is wrong and would be construed as child abuse in most of the cases in which they do this. I guess I see them as way too formulaic. There's also the fact that I was severely abused as a child... from about age 6 months to around age 15 when I finally stood up and stopped taking it
This is likely due to my own experiences as a teenager, when I was forced to be a boy by my family and the school board. I first came out to anyone when I was only 8 years old. My cousin told me then that she had considered me a girl pretty much since we started playing together 4 years before. So I knew I was a girl. I came out to a few others when we were 12 (five more). So our little group was seven strong. Me, my cousin, and our 5 friends. One of those friends' mothers would take the seven of us on outings a lot of weekends to the mall -- the mall in this case was 45 minutes away. She was let in on the secret that 'Hannah' wasn't exactly original recipe girl on probably the third trip we had made at 12. She insisted on helping me when I wanted to try on a really cute dress, and my cousin was busy across the store and couldn't play interference. She decided that I would need help with the zip. I tried to protest, knowing that in just my panties and training bra, she would know. The seven of us spent the next hour and half in a corner of the food court explaining why she couldn't tell my parents.
When I was 14, I came out to my mother... she was fine. My stepfather, however, went off. So. No to being Hannah at home. My cousin left home a month after her 16th birthday, and I didn't see her for nearly a year. I felt betrayed. I felt like she had abandoned me. The Summer of 1992 I attended a camp that changed my entire outlook on life. Following that, my cousin left... this is when my life was reclaimed. I never let anything touch me emotionally after that if I didn't want it to do so. I frightened a lot of people just by my mere presence, after that. Took a long time to unlearn that...
I didn't forgive her until we were adults. Seven years more or less without her. At 16 I tried to come out at school. School board said no. I still was as girly as I wanted to be, just couldn't wear 'overtly' girls' clothes.
I started living completely as a girl when I went away to college just after turning 19. My legal name is one of those androgynous names that can go either way, so the administration of the dorm figured they'd made a mistake when I showed up at the dorm, and re-assigned me to a girls' floor. A few weeks later, things came out to the admin, and they moved me to one of the empty triples as a single... triples had their own bathrooms and didn't have to use the community bathroom and shower. Other than that, they kept it quiet.
When I was 22, the girl I had been in love with died and I flipped out for awhile. I went to Chicago and finally talked to my cousin again... we finally worked things out. I also asked my mother what my name "would have" been that year, and the truth is I was unexpected. The name they would have given me was... untenable. So, I borrowed a friend's middle name and feminized my actual name. After a few years I realized I didn't like being a derivative of my legal name. So I started using my stage name from Broadcast Radio and the Vaudeville troupe I was a part of. I liked the stage name as a regular name, so I added the original suggestion of my friends way back when I was 12 (Hannah) in the middle and there ya go... how I came to be.
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I'd pieced together part this from your comments but it was nice to see you write all out. As far as forced fem goes. I ask a question. Does this do harm? The answer usually is yes. That breaks my personal rule of Do No Harm. The only thing that keeps my interest in the story then is the character conflicts with the wrong doer.
Hugs!
grover
Not a fan either
But I don't want this to turn into the bashing of forced fem stories or forced fem story writers. The stories do have fans and they have reasons for existing that have nothing to do with any reason I have ever heard for disliking them.
Moral judgements of the characters in a story form are not a reason for bashing that story form. Neither are logical objections to the possibility or impossibility of a story form. Neither are the survival or non-survival of some original personality.
No one is doing any bashing here yet, I'm being pre-emptive because of the earlier tempest this week on serials which did degenerate into bashing and provoked the expected response. Half a dozen people wrote to me privately to intervene but I stayed behind the scenes since it never quite got to the flaming stage. :) This time, I thought I'd better step in more quickly because I've seen this one burn out of control on other boards.
I don't like most forced fem because it bores me. Simple as that, I'm just not that interested. I read a lot of romance stories and I don't read many of what are called contemporary romance because they tend to bore me to. :)
I have, btw, written at least one forced fem story, Mercedes. And I've read a few forced fem stories that were involving and not at all boring.
That's all. :)
Hugs,
Erin
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having written one
Well I'll start by saying that I admire your straightforward line on snippets of a life, there's always that mixture of pain and joy so just keep on and be you. Keep up the stories too.
Oh yeah forced fem... well I've written one. I suppose like most of mine it's a partial exploration of my messed up little mind. Strange bits and pieces of thought and feeling tossed onto the poor suffering characters to muddle through as best..
Many Forced stories I've read will churn my stomach, some because of the sheer 'wrongness' of what's being done, other times just the viciousness and vindictivness displayed. Emotions can be odd and need not always be logical, likely often aren't. As ever it depends how the writer goes at it. Pain and horror can be mitigated by the opposite or it may be that just surviving is enough. Now that might get some argument but I think it's true. We all have our druthers and will not all agree on this or anything else....just, open mind and willingness to at least look and then decide.
'Mercedes' is one I read a while back, well before I knew Erin had anything to do with it, it is a nicely told somewhat dark story. Suited my mood at the time. It and a couple of others 'inspired' parts of my second attempt.
So whether I succeed in showing the horror and the joy is open to debate. Some will not read because of the subheadings, fair enough. we all have our prejudices and favourites, each to their own as ever. But of course there's always a line somewhere.
Hmmm...hope this makes sense, just following my usual on the fly ramble method, so it may not say everything I mean to, but...
Kristina
Could You Hold My Match? It's Dark and I Can't Find the Fuse.
I loved listening to my children giggle. I love how happy my dog gets when I come home each day. I love the smile my spouse wears -- when I do something to prompt a smile. I love seeing a plan come together, a plan that helps a lot of people. I love a gentle rain when I don't have anything to do but watch or listen. I love a crisp juicy apple or a drink of cold water on a hot day. I love working myself into physical or mental exhaustion.
And, I love stories that make me think of all those things.
I hate snakes -- and spiders, but not as much as snakes. I can't stand people who act like snakes. I don't like papercuts or watching anyone get hurt, for whatever reason. I hate diets -- and death -- and other things that get in the way of love.
And, I hate stories that make me think of all those things.
I think Vickie Tern is one of the best authors of TG fiction. Some of her stories thoroughly disgust me, but others are absolutely brilliant so I give everyone a chance. Her latest is wondeful.
Most of my stories contain some element of forced-fem. Of course, every story ever written (TG or no) contains some element of forced-fem. Aren't men, men, men, men constantly manipulated by someone to be less than a man, man, man, man? And don't authors love to make women do masculine things?
The only TG story I ever wrote that was purely about "forced feminization" is "Residue" which continues to be one of my most opened stories. The premise of the story is a study of what impact forced feminization has on a person later in his life long after the incident -- and the impact on the people around the victim. Many, many people have told me they couldn't finish it because of the abject brutality of the feminization. No whips, no beatings . . . just horrible mental cruelty.
At least I didn't make the poor little boy eat serial.
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
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I've got a forced fem plot rattling around here somewhere, maybe I'll whip it out someday and let you see it, Angela. An inch at a time, of course. ::grin::
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Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
A Dislike of Forced Fem
I can't read forced fem stories either. This seems to go against a lot of the stories I DO like to a certain extent, because certain elements of both what I write and several of my favorite stories seem to be almost forced-fem in the way they work, but I don't see it that way, and in any story where i feel things are truly forced I tend not to read more than maybe a few paragraphs in.
Your childhood story scares me, but at the same time the amount of support you DID have proves there are good people in the world, and that things can work out if you can hold on.
Melanie
Likes!
Just like with my favorite colors of Green, and Blue the same applies for forced fem stories. I like what I like. They are not bad unless written badly. They are simply not among the stories I prefer to read. The stories I prefer are the fantasy and Sci-fi related but just about well written tale can catch my attention. There are many that don't care for my choices and there is nothing wrong with that. We are all different and so what we like are also different. That doesn't change the fact that there are stories that I will not read. I admit I love feel good tales so some stories here will go unread by me. That doesn't mean that those stories are bad, but I am simply exercising my freedom to chose. I have the greatest respect for anyone who has the willpower and courage to write and post. You are revealing a part of yourself maybe no one has ever seen before. It doesn't matter if your first efforts are clumsy. There are many willing to help proof and offer advice. Plus the more you write the better you will get. I've gotten better and owe that improvement to everyone who has helped proof and commented my stuff. We can be fractionous lot some times and while that causes flames from time to time I believe most value this BigCloset of Erin's far too much to let it go too far. Edeyn's your sharing your story adds to our community.
hugs!
grover