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Just a question about something that I was thinking of writing about.

Say you had transitioned at a young age, and by 18 had the SRS and was living as a woman. A few years down the road you're married to a wonderful man and have adopted. (Okay,I know some states this may be hard, but it's just a question)

Say the first child you adopt is a boy and one day you find him wearing your clothes. Maybe he's like you, maybe he is a crossdresser. My question is this. When you find out about him, would you tell him about yourself and how you started? Or just use that information to help him find himself the best way you could.

Just wondering, like I said, may make a story around the idea

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Depends

It depends on the age of the child. No matter what the age I would just help him be himself. There would be a time, no matter what the tendencies are that he would need to know he is adopted. Later, when he can understand that I was not born female I would tell him that, also.

An assumption

To have a crack at answering this, I have to assume that "wonderful man" you married is fully aware of your background and history. If he doesn't know, then you are in big trouble already! So depending on the age of the child, I would use my 'inside track' to help the boy learn more about himself. At the same time I would be bringing hubby into the picture, then all three of you can sit down and discuss things at some point. When the child is more mature, and has a better idea of his desires, then you can determine what to reveal and how to go about it.

Of course there is a second assumption here, that the protagonist after SRS is het. I read some numbers on this somewhere the other day (I don't remember the exact percentages or the source) that predict a post-op might in fact be lesbian. And that will change everything. Just saying.


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I don't think you should keep

I don't think you should keep it a secret forever, even if your children aren't transgendered. Maybe not when they're still toddlers and blab all around, but I'd tell my children about my past not too late , because it could always come out suddenly by someone/something else and if they're teenagers or adults at that moment they could feel betrayed by you, their own mother didn't trust them or maybe they made a negative opinion of tg people by then...

I would personnaly never keep my transgendered past hidden from my husband/wife and children.

Grtz & hugs,

Sarah xxx

Fear...

Andrea Lena's picture

...never mind the hypothetical. I wish I had half the courage of some of the women here. I haven't even told my twenty-three-year-old son. Sigh...

  

To be alive is to be vulnerable. Madeleine L'Engle
Love, Andrea Lena

There are a number of questions here

Angharad's picture

Re the cross dressing child - it might just be experimentation, so I wouldn't make too big a deal of it. If it proved to be more long term, I'd have to see what he wanted. If he proved to be GID, I'd do what I could to help him/her be who they thought they were.

AS for revealing past: with a partner, yes before it became permanent arrangement. With children, as they were old enough to understand, as someone else said, the adoption thing can be a huge hurdle. Not sure teenagers buy, 'but we chose you'.

For any other members of the family, it could feel like lightning striking twice, so there could be problems there including accusations of encouraging someone to be like you. I've dealt with a lot of these as recurring themes in Bike.

Angharad

Another possibility:

Extravagance's picture

You are a pre-op trans-MAN, and your partner is a pre-op trans-woman. You've both reduced your HRT dosage, and your original sexual organs have revived. You have sex together, taking on the opposite of your preferred roles, but enjoying the intimacy nonetheless.
You become pregnant by her, and eventually give birth to her child. = )
The question is this: At what point do you tell the child that daddy gave birth to them and mummy didn't?

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Nice question

I don't really see this as hypothetical, There are Trans women who have gotten married and adopted children.
I told my daughter of my transition when she was eleven. I have no regrets and she has been with me when I do public speaking about transgendered individuals.I say let naturee take its course, don't let the child feel as if it is something to feel guilty about. He may just be experimenting and may grow out of it. If he doesn't explain that not everyone is open to a boy wanting to be a girl.
Be honest with him at age appropriate moments. Yes the spouse should know about the mom and he will be more supportive of his son and his son's decision.

Jill Micayla
Be kinder than necessary,Because everyone you meet
Is fighting some kind of battle.

It is a strange world we live in...

S.L.Hawke's picture

Sigh. And this story idea is not so hypothetical.

I am married with two step daughters (and yes, my husband "knows"... although I am stealth to most of the rest of the world), and while my children are not trans... the closest I can come in personal experience to your scenario was something that happened a few years ago. At that time, I worked with "special needs" children... including a transgendered early teenager. A child who is still a minor, and this is a public forum... not to mention work confidentiality agreements... so I am severely limited in how much I can say... but I will say this much.

In the couple years I worked with that child, I was pretty much the only person in his/her life that was even remotely supportive of how s/he felt... so it is perhaps not that surprising that the child bonded to me much more than is normally the case at work. Confided all sorts of things in me... and asked me for advice about many things. I was not this child's parent -- but as the real parents were "hostile", I suspect I ended up "in loco parentis" to her/him in many ways. Certainly, s/he seemed to deeply respect my opinions on things, and paid very close attention to any "suggestions" I made...

Did I ever admit I had some things "in common"? No. It was a question that I wrestled with internally, literally for years... often starting to say something, only to bite my tongue and change what I had started to say. In the end, I never did disclose. Instead, I found ways of sharing information with the child that I attributed to other people. A nurse I had worked with before (I also used to work part-time in a hospital back then), who had transitioned FtM. An intersexed person that I knew. Second hand stories from one of the women I knew in the hospital lab, whose spouse was transitioning. A couple teachers at other schools in the district, whom I knew were post op TS. I was always careful to not say *too* much about those others -- since they *were* real people, and most of them were also "mostly" stealth -- but I was careful to always go through a show of agreeing to ask them about questions the child had... then getting back to him/her with an answer the next day. An answer that in reality came entirely from me.

[The child was also completely blind -- merely suggesting places to look on the web for information would not have been practical, as s/he still needed assistance to use a computer... and the person training the child to do that was "unsupportive"].

Why all the "asking a friend" rigamarole? Sigh. I once knew a trans-guy, fairly deeply stealth. [What can I say... those of us who live stealth occasionally feel a need for "unrestricted" talk... which we can not do in our daily lives. So we tend to have very carefully chosen, rarely seen friends among those who move in similar circles... or at least, it has seemed to happen to me that way...]. Anyway, the organization he worked for was revising its anti-discrimination policy... and he made the simple mistake of being "too knowledgeable", on the subject of transgendered issues. Shrug. Most trans-guys pass extremely well (with their clothes on, at least), and even for a trans-guy, he was much more passable than usual. You would think that he could talk about that sort of thing with immunity... but such was not the case. He was fired a few weeks later. I don't really know too much about what happened later -- he moved to another part of the country and went really deep stealth, cutting all ties to his past, after that... in an attempt to re-build his life. The downside to being stealth at work -- if your "legend" is blown, employers sometimes get nasty about it...

Being stealth (or even just "less than entirely Out and Proud"), one of the biggest "tricks" is simply to never do anything that raises questions in the first place. In this day and age, if someone *really* gets serious about digging long and deep into anyone's past... they can often (not always, but often) find *something*. The trick is to never give them a reason to look that hard. Shrug. I work with kids, and as such I have detailed background and criminal record checks done on me every year -- it's just part of the job, here. Despite that, I am completely stealth at work... I managed to bury things *that* deep. But even I could be "outed" if I were stupid enough to give someone a major clue, or a major reason to not stop with "routine" checks. A reason to pay someone to dig deeper and deeper into every tiniest aspect of my history.

And so... I am always careful (in my 3D life) about just "how knowledgeable" I let people know that I actually am, on any GLBT issue related subject. I help when and where I can... but circumspectly, attributing things to stuff I "heard on a talk show", or "was told by a co-worker", or some such dodge -- and I hold back even then, never really admitting the full depth of my knowledge. It is just part of living the way that I do... something I have done for so long that I don't even think about it anymore...

Shrug. A rather lengthy answer, but I think one that is relevant. The short version would be, I would use the information I have "to help him find himself the best way [I] could".

As someone who transitioned young myself (although long enough ago that I am no longer young)... and works with children... I simply can not imagine outing myself to a child. An adult? Maybe, under unusual circumstances... although very cautiously. People are complicated and wear all sorts of masks... you never know exactly how someone will react to that sort of information. But a child? Way too risky. I work with kids (both very young and teenagers), and it might raise your hair to know just how many of them have confided things to me such as, "Dad wears mom's dresses on the weekends" (a comment from a sixteen year old boy, made with rolled eyes and a "what can I do about it" sort of shrug), or "Mommy isn't feeling good today 'cause she had a 'bortion yesterday" (an eight year old girl), or "I am staying at my aunt's tonight 'cause my mother is back in drug rehab again" (a twelve year old) -- just to use a few recent examples.

Would a TG child/young adult do that? Maybe. Maybe not. Even if I were certain that the child was truely transgendered (and not just experimenting), many kids that age are still questioning themselves... not at all certain of themselves. Going through cycles of self-doubt, and often attempting to "purge" such things from themselves -- trying to "become a man" by "acting like a man". It is why there are so many TS who have histories of having served in the armed forces, being police officers/firefighters/body builders/you name it -- anything "macho" and often "dangerous". The risk that the child would, sometime in the future, go through such a self-denial phase... and say something to someone during it... is just way too high. They might regret doing so right after they did it... but it would already be too late...

Or at least, that was the conclusion I reached, after a couple years of being in the situation I described. Shrug. Maybe it was just me, and I should have done something different. We will never know -- the kid moved to another school district a couple years ago...

Sigh. My answer might be different, if I were an adult transitioner who had kids from *before*, or was "out and proud" enough to be doing public speaking. But you specified an early transitioner... and from context, both many years post op and with the implication that she was stealth. Which complicates things a *whole* lot...

Just my two cents worth. I hope something in here was helpful to you...

It is a strange world we live in... cont.

Pamreed's picture

S.I. I am one of those out and proud folks. I do talks at schools from high school to university and churches and at my work. I feel compassion for people like you who must go from one closet to another!! I also value your decisions on how you live your life!! But it must complicate your life. How do you handle your family, you must cut them off, maybe they were not acepting and cut you off!!

I have 2 sons who are my children and they struggled with my transition many years but we are now very close! And my brothers(2) and siters(2) have been very accepting! So I guess I am lucky!!

As to the question asked as S.I. has said if one is stealth it is very complicated!! By revealing yourself you put into jepority not only your life and happines but that of the rest of your family!! Do you have the right to comlicate their lives!!!

My whole goal in my sharing of my story is to make the difficulties that we go through just be another everyday problem that can be corrected and go on with our lives. Just like anyone that has any form of birth defects, correct them and go on!! Most prejudces are because of ignorance!! Once people know the truth most are accepting!! I know there are those that will never accept us, but with work we can reduce them to a few and not the majority!!

thank you all for the replys.

Raff01's picture

I have lots of food for thought now. Like I said, it really is for a story. I just wondered if people outted themselves to the children, so I could make it believable.

Also a big thank you for those that shared your real lives. I can only imagine the fear people feel when the thought of being caught crosses your mind.

I'm lucky. My roommates stay away from my door a lot, so my clothing choices aren't well known to them