Britain & Canada try to stop Uganda introducing death penalty for being gay.

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British PM, Gordon Brown, was furious at the proposed legislation Uganda wants to introduce. He was volubly supported by the Canadians at the Commonwealth Heads conference. See the story here in today's Guardian.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/27/uganda-bill-prop...

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More info on the proposed bill

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/andrewbrown/2009/nov...

A person who aids, abets, counsels or procures another to engage in acts of homosexuality commits an offence and is liable on conviction to imprisonment for seven years.

A person who purports to contract a marriage with another person of the same sex commits the offence of homosexuality and shall be liable on conviction to imprisonment for life.

A person who … who acts as an accomplice or attempts to promote or in any way abets homosexuality and related practices; commits an offence and is liable on conviction to … imprisonment of a minimum of five years and a maximum of seven years or both fine and imprisonment.

It seems slightly worrying that Gordon Brown and Stephen Harper appear so far to be the only world leaders to speak up against this proposed bill - and it's taken them so long to do so - especially as it was proposed nearly 6 weeks ago:

http://appablog.wordpress.com/2009/10/16/uganda-%E2%80%98ant...

Rather oddly, although the Anglican Church in Canada has spoken out against the bill...

http://www.episcopal-life.org/81808_117085_ENG_HTM.htm

...Lambeth Palace (and York Minster - John Sentamu is Ugandan by birth) have been silent on the issue. Perhaps Rowan's worried that speaking up will encourage more Anglicans to defect to Rome?
 
 
--Ben


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As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!

Is it their business?

On purely moral grounds, I can understand their objections.

I am just wondering how they think it is their business?

If anyone, shouldn't the UN address this?

Gwen

Commonwealth

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The Commonwealth functions as a mini-UN for nations that used to be part of the British Empire. They have in the past expelled nations from the Commonwealth for egregious violations of human rights. Yes, it is their business. And it should be the business of every Congress, Parliament, Diet and Thing on the planet to denounce this proposed legislation. Human rights are the rights of all humans and so the business of all humans.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

"No man...

...is an island, entire of itself; every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee..."

-John Donne, Meditation 17, Devotions upon Emergent Occasions

It is their business as it our business. A threat to those like us is a threat to us. If Uganda is allowed to do this, will it not embolden those who would do the same here, not just to one category, but to another, such as those who dare to "sin" by existing outside the conception of gender that such people hold.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak out for me.

-Pastor Martin Niemöller, prominent anti-Nazi activist and Lutheran minister who was imprisoned at the Dachau concentration camp, and personally detested by Hitler

The mandate to act is there, clear, and urgent.

-Liz

-Liz

Successor to the LToC
Formerly known as "momonoimoto"

Shades of Adolph Hitler

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This kind of thing reminds me of some of the tactics of Hitler. He did away with a lot of people he considered undesirable including Jews, Gays and handicapped people. Uganda is treading on thin ice and they better figure out that they will bring a mountain of crap down on their heads with this.

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Apparently many supporters

Apparently many supporters of Uganda are trying to get Canada kicked out of the 'commonwealth countries group" because Canada is speaking out against the Ugandan law...

I'm not surprised that the present Canadian gov't would be against Uganda's "anti" homosexual law. It's an open secret that one of the top ministers in Canada's Conservative gov't is gay. He's been in the Conservatives 'inner circle' for most of his political career and has held a number of high profile portfolios since the Conservatives won power in '06. Heck, he usually escorts the prime ministers wife when she goes to a function without the PM, so I'd assume he's pretty close to the PM...

He's a nice guy. I've met him a couple of times. Heck, I even took him shopping once when the airlines lost his luggage.

Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue

I hope

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I hope Canada's opposition to inhumane laws has less to do with personalities and more to do with principles. Wrong is wrong and Uganda's proposed law is wrong.

Hugs,
Erin

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

= Give everyone the benefit of the doubt because certainty is a fragile thing that can be shattered by one overlooked fact.

Remember Uganda

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is where Idi Amin was president*, it's also ravaged by some lunatic war lord and his army (Lord's Observance Army or something). In short it's a mess, so this sort of pseudo-Christian piety thing, isn't entirely surprising. It's like an African Taliban.

*A fascinating character if total psycho, reputed to eat his enemies hearts and body parts after he'd had them killed.

Angharad

Angharad

Which, of course...

...is completely okay with any interpretation of Christianity.

/irony >.<

-Liz

-Liz

Successor to the LToC
Formerly known as "momonoimoto"

Lord's Resistance Army

Let's just say that the more you read about them, the more you wish you hadn't read about them. Meanwhile Museveni is showing the first signs of turning into what is sadly a stereotypical African leader - after initially embracing democracy, they discover that they quite like being in power, and gradually start implementing policies and practices designed to keep their grip on power at any cost. Unsurprisingly, Wikipedia has lots of (widely sourced) information on both the LRA and the President.

 
 
--Ben


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As the right side of the brain controls the left side of the body, then only left-handers are in their right mind!

Wrong is wrong, and Uganda's

Wrong is wrong, and Uganda's law is extremely wrong. And Canada's gov't is opposing it "on principle", not because one of the ministers is gay. Canada has also stood up and told China that we disapprove their human rights record (and the Liberals had a fit about that, claiming we'd damage our trade relationship!). Canada's gov't has been pretty consistent on where they stand regarding 'human rights' lately. But this isn't a place to discuss politics, so enough about that.

I guess I was just musing about why it didn't seem odd to me that Canada would come out so firmly against Uganda's proposed law.

Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue

Inaccurate Statement.

Just as it's an open secret that Stephen Harper is an evangelical Christian. No, I don't think this minister has anything to do with Canada's stance on this issue, if you'll recall Stephen Harper even tried to reopen the vote on gay marriage. Heck, even if the entire conservative party was against opposing this bill they'd still have to fight both the Liberals and the NDP on this issue and you better believe that the Conservative Party would be hounded on it.

Remember: Stephen Harper is only the leader of Parliament if he has the confidence of the house and so long as the Governor General allows him to remain in power. Therefore, relationships that occur within parties have very little bearing on the day-to-day and year-to-year actions of the Government of Canada.

Sorry, but Stephen is just

Sorry, but Stephen is just an ordinary christian. And since the libs and dippers don't have the votes to topple him without joining with the separatists, they aren't likely to hound anyone. Believe me, our fondest wish is that the three parties would join up and win a non-confidence vote. The dippers would end up as the opposition and Iffy would be back at Harvard. The remaining libs would be lucky to retain party status...

Anyhow, this thread is about Canada's opposition to an anti-homosexual law. I'm proud that Canada has taken the position is has, and that's my final word on the subject.

Some days you're the pigeon, some days you're the statue