Cats! Who Needs 'Em?!

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We have a cat that managed to

We have a cat that managed to get his collar halfway off, then _in his mouth_. So he was running around, flailing, looking like a cut-rate horse with bargain basement bit.

Most of us don't have cats because we need them (if you have a farm, you have cats because you need them), we have cats because we like the company that doesn't require constant attention.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Cats

As has been noted several times, dogs have owners while cats have staff! Ours reinforce that daily!

Collars

Glenda98's picture

Are not for cats unless Diamond studded

Glenda Ericsson

Both of our cats had a nasty

Both of our cats had a nasty reaction to the topical anti-vermin treatment, but the Seresto collars worked excellently. While my wife was out of town in 2020, using those collars made the cats flea-less in less than a day, and within three weeks, all the hatching ones were also dead. Houston area can be absolutely plagued with fleas, depending on how the years go. This was with indoor cats, mind you.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Everybody needs a cat, but

Everybody needs a cat, but most people (especially the dog only owners) haven't realised it, yet. >:->

Wrong

I don't need a cat. Next door has more than enough (six) to satisfy anyone. They decimate the local small bird population and one does its business on the mat outside my back door two or three times a week. Is that good enough?
Now if they tackled the Pigeons and Magpies then I'd forgive them but they won't go near them.

Yes, I'm feeling a bit grumpy today.

Samantha

Growing up, we had indoor

Growing up, we had indoor/outdoor cats, and up to 5 of them at a time (larger plot of land, however.) Helpful when you're trying to keep down the field mice and gopher population that's destroying your 1/3rd acre garden. They killed and ate a lot of birds as well, but we never noticed any particular drop in the bird population. Not sure why your neighbors won't eat the pigeons, but they may not be able to get to them. I know I watched one of ours knock a mockingbird down that was dive bombing her. (Kamikaze run?)

I've always considered the 'decimating the song bird population' claims as being, frankly, garbage.

That said, I detest those people that don't take care of the animals they've accepted responsibility towards. That is, spaying, neutering, chipping, and generally taking care of them. Not just tossing them out to survive on their own, especially on very cold nights. (We've had a big fuzzy one sleeping in our back yard some cold mornings. No idea who it belongs to, but it's not causing any harm.)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Declining bird population

I've taken part in the RSPB Garden Bird Survey for over 10 years. There is a direct correlation between the increase in the number of cats and the decline in small garden birds. Even the woodpeckers who used to bring their young to my nut feeder have gone. They are still in the area but they don't come to my garden. The same goes for the greenfinches and chaffinches. I still get the odd robin but little else.
There are birds around. I heard them today in the wilderness that is next door to me but because of the cats, they don't come to my garden.
I used to fill the feeder 3-4 times a week at this time of year. Now? once a week at most.

Yes, this is all circumstantial but... I have to conclude that the numbers are well down on 10 years ago.
There are lots of birds in my area and I counted 12 small bird nests last year in the next door plot last year. They nest out of reach of cats and magpies. It seems that they have learned to avoid my garden.
The only thing that keeps the cats away are the foxes. One cat tried and had a visit to the vets as their reward for failing.
Samantha

The decline in passerines

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is Europe wide and has little to do with cats, more to do with loss of habitat, pesticides and poisons, numbers having declined by up to 60% depending upon species. Most species feed on insects at some point and the insects have declined by 75% since the 1970s, due to pesticides and increasingly climate change. All this not to say that in your garden, cats might be a big factor but not generally.

Angharad

I'll agree with Angharad, at

I'll agree with Angharad, at least to an extent. It's habitat change as much as anything. I see LOTS of sparrows, and since they're predominantly a ground species, you'd think they'd be the first to go if the cats were wiping them out. Instead, there are lots - especially in the light commercial areas.

I can say that the birds in the areas change. In the 80's, you didn't see a lot of grackles. Now? I think they're the #1 bird in the Houston area. Before, it was mockingbirds, IIRC. (Grackles are a native bird to Texas) They'll cover the supermarket parking lots, they fill up all of the trees, and they blacken the sky when they change their resting location. One shotgun blast from next to a tree would probably drop a hundred of them - but you're not allowed to do it.

Grackles are a member of the blackbird family. They have NO fear of humans.


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

There are blackbirds and there are New World blackbirds.

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Grackles are Icterids or New World blackbirds whereas the blackbirds of the Old World, especially Europe are Turdidae, so very different. This is the problem with common names, some plants can have dozens of common names, eg the wild arum has many names such as Lords and ladies, jack in the pulpit and so on but only one binomial name Arum maculatum. Things like insects, especially mayflies can also have several common names particularly, to fly-fishermen with their duns and nymphs which relate to different parts of the insect's life cycle, some mayflies moult twice as adults before flying, mating and dying, but they each have only one scientific name, the Mayfly, is Ephemera danica also known as a greendrake in it's larval stage. Even here, before scientific protocols were organised internationally, every new 'discoverer' of a species gave it their own one and the protocol now is to agree to call it by the earliest known scientific name where possible. As occasionally, they were well off the mark in their classification some of those have been renamed (and renamed again in light of better information), sometimes when you see things referred to in scientific papers to textbooks one species current binomial name will be followed by several alongside which also show the name and date of the previous name and discoverer or classifier. Science isn't a perfect process but hopefully, it does its best and over time does get it right.

Angharad

I sort of got an outdoor cat...

With a forest behind the house and the mississippi river no more than 100 yards on the other side of the house, i see a lot of animals. Got a pair of bald eagles that nest every year in a tree behind the house. This area is a big winter nesting area for bald eagles as the river doesn't freeze over solid very often or very long when it does, allowing them to fish.

Every spring I get tons of rabbits. When the grand kids were young, I always got a good laugh at watching those two little girls trying to chase down and catch one :)

Have to be careful driving to and from the house due to the amount of deer in the area. It's nothing to see 6-8 of them out in the front yard grazing on the grass.

A few years ago I heard a cat howling outside, beam of my flashlight found it sitting on the end of my front porch. It was a cougar, (mountain lion, puma, whatever you call them were you live) It had a beautiful brownish gold short haired coat.

Every now and again I hear it outside at night and find it's paw prints in the soft dirt out by my car (Luckily never on my car!)

The State wildlife agency swears there are no cougars in this area even though many have spotted them and some have taken pictures of them to prove they have moved back into this area.

We the willing, led by the unsure. Have been doing so much with so little for so long,
We are now qualified to do anything with nothing.

Outdoor cats

The state just to the south of you also has those "unidentified" large cats running through the river bottoms. A friend lives on the Missouri River and he regularly sees them passing through his farm. Our Consternation er Conservation Agency says there is not a resident breeding population but...they said the same thing about black bears too! Now we have a hunting season for them!

Hugs Grumpy

BarbieLee's picture

Most cats will stare one straight in the eyes and never blink. Dogs won't look a person in the eyes unless they are encouraged or trained to. Cats accommodate people when they feel like it. Dogs love cuddling, petting, hugging anytime, all the time. Love my dogs, cats, and goats. Would like to have cows and horses again but probably never happen at my age. Maybe a pet ocelot or a couple bobcats?
Sam you don't know what you're missing if you never had cats crawling under the covers with you and turning up the purr motor. Or lay down next to your ear at two in the morning and turn on his-her engine. Baby kittens along with all four legged babies were my babies all my life.
Hugs Sam
Barb

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

We used to have a pigeon

Stickmaker's picture

We used to have a pigeon problem, until the city imported several breeding pairs of red tail hawks. Now there are far fewer pigeons and a healthy hawk population in the county.

Just passing through...

I still have my two

Angharad's picture

though for how much longer I don't know. Bonzi, has a lymphoma in the gut which is inoperable and will eventually kill him. He's 15 now so not a young cat anymore. The other one, Whizz, woke me at 6.30 this morning puking up a furball and associated stomach contents, a great way to start the day, I don't think.

Angharad

Domestication

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I order to domesticate an animal, it's instinctive behaviors must be something which lets it relate to us socially. With horses we become the herd leader. With dogs the pack leader. With cats...

Well, you're bigger, you pick them up and carry them around, you groom them, you discipline them, you feed them, you clean up their messes...

You're their mother.

Just passing through...

They're the only self

They're the only self domesticated species. It was more of a symbiotic relationship than 'domestication', however. We had food that cats couldn't eat. However, the food they _liked_ was eating the food we were trying to store. They got some protection from the larger predators that liked to eat them, and we got more food. (They also aren't really useful as food animals for us, no matter what the Chinese think. They don't fatten up well, for one thing)


I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.

Domesticated cats

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Domesticated cats is somewhat of a misnomer. Cats are only vaguely domesticated, and only very recently in biological terms. As such they still have many of their wild instincts still intact. A house cat that is left to its own devices can survive almost as well as a wildcat.

You are right though in that we didn't 'domesticate' cats so much as we allowed them to cohabit with us. One need look no further than the average house cat to find proof of that fact. Who looks like they own the place and demands that you cater to its needs?

Dogs, fish, horses, cows, etc. have owners. Cats have staff. (and I say this as a lifetime cat owner... I know full what what I am to my Dinah girl... I'm her servant and she has me trained very well!)

;^)

Hugs,
Roberta

>^^<

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Cats are able to live schizoid lives, dependent kittens indoors and ruthless hunter-killers outside. It's only when they don't keep their roles separate they face scorn from their minions, otherwise, if they could use a can opener we'd be superfluous.

Angharad

Cats have a better ESP of any animal I've known

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Think about opening a can of food? They are there before one makes it to the kitchen. Outside cats swarm from everywhere before the first bite of food hits the dish. Feeling down, they crawl upon one's shoulder and purr in the ear. Start crying and they will get as close as possible to share emotions. Just need a little cuddling? Lap only works perfectly. Come home after gone all day and cat is there to greet you. Doesn't make any difference if it's the front door or the back door, she knows.
Hugs Roberta
Barb
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Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl