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As seen today on McSweeney's: "Guys, I Swear I’m Only Transitioning So I Can Cheat at Girls’ Sports"

A humorous short monologue (probably rated PG-13) that reads like some stories I've seen before.

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While that might be funny

The sheer number of US States trying to enact anti LGBTQ+ and especially anti-Trans laws ASAP is very, very worrying.
Along with voter repression, the GOP are going all out with Moscow Mitch's 'Scorched Earth' policy.

Sad times. One step forwards and ten backwards.

I wonder...

Hypatia Littlewings's picture

... how many wont get the actual point?

Too many probably.

On the other hand.

I'm just doing this to piss everyone off at me. A lot of things depend. In early childhood development, from experience young girls can often beat the crap out of boys their age. Depending when Menarche or Puberty happens, and that is highly variable, girls lose their advantage eventually. Guessing, if a boy is held off Puberty by The most commonly used puberty blockers are gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) agonists, which inhibit the release of sex hormones, including testosterone and estrogen. Gotten young enough, it might be possible that Athletic Strength remains close to equal. If the boy decides to transition in the teens, I am doubtful that participation in girl's athletics should happen. That's the price you pay.

Granddaughter vs grandson

Patricia Marie Allen's picture

My granddaughter is two years older than my grandson. He used to repeatedly mess with her and when she'd get tired of it, she take him down in headlock and pin him applying pressure until he'd call uncle.

You think the kid would learn, but he did it once or twice a week for over a year with the same result. She made it look easy. (BTW she a slight built short girl. He had her by two inches in height and probably ten pounds and she still could hand his posterior any day of the week.)

They're both adults now and he's long since learned not to mess with her.

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I vehemantly disagree

At least you are consistent in your position and trot it out whenever you can.

Such a blanket statement that boys who had gone through puberty should not play with other girls is totally bollocks.

I take it you might be taking that position because you were extremely strong pre-transition?

I will put myself as the opposite sample of 1 as being 5'7" and about 118 pounds.

Other women routinely out muscle and out endurance me also.

There are plenty of trans girls who are far more delicate than there cisgendered brethem.

You should not underestimate the strength of cisgendered girls, they will surprise you.

Puberty is definitely one factor.

Fact: There are tough girls, and weak boys.
Also fact: There are statistical differences in girls and boys.

First, imagine this scenario. You ran track, and trained for the 100m since you were 10. Your senior year of high school you were flying down the track; clocking in at 12.8s. The closest anyone has come to you is 13.7s, and you're clearly in scholarship range. You can't wait until your next track meet, where a scout is going to be there from the college of your dreams. At the meet you learn three transgender girls are competing, and you're stoked because you're supportive of that. The 100m starts. You clock in your time at 12.7. A personal best. But ahead of you... flying past you to the finish... those three transgender girls. Their times: 11.3, 11.5, 11.9 respectively. Taking first, second and third, and smashing the girls records of that year. Your record. The scout is highly impressed with the 11.3, and you just lost your scholarship. It sounds fantastical, but this could soon be a reality.

At the high school level, where students compete for scholarships, is where you'll find most of the opposition to this. This is the real crux of the situation. College level as well. There are real questions about the legitimacy of the athlete's sincerity to their transition. Nobody is privy to that information, nor should they be. However, there are some concerns that should be addressed. The problem is that this issue really isn't about feelings. It's about statistics, and can't be wiped away with sweeping legislature. They need to take a hard close look at the issue at every level.

It's easy to say that someone grew up with strong girls, or I knew a girl down the street that could whip a boy. Most likely it was a boy who was told not to hit back. However, the logical fact is that statistically, on average, most genetic males outperform genetic females in sports the older they get. That's why they are evaluated differently, for both scholarships and on the professional level. And that's why there are variances in the sports themselves.

The average high school 100m can range from 12s to 14s for males, and 14 to 18 for females. Most people look at that and think "well, we're talking seconds here!" Yes, we are. Notice that females at their best, would be bringing up the rear with the men. They could definitely fill in the middle of the pack, but they can hardly compete. This is why people get outraged when they see a story of a transgender girl coming in at 11.x in the female 100m. They're blowing the cis girls out of the water.

Even if they're honestly transitioning, and taking hormones, they still have developed differently than the girls they run against. And there have been studies saying that even after a year of HRT, they are still on a higher level. However, there have been questions as to the legitimacy of transgender athletes' claims. There have been reports of boys that couldn't cut it competing with the boys, so they claim they feel female, and are allowed to compete against girls. That is sometimes the only criteria they have to meet. Again, even at their worst, an average transgender girl would be in the top of the female field.

The variance grows from there. Average 200m for boys in high school ranges from 23 to 33. While the girls range from 29 to 39. "You're still talking seconds!" Yes... more seconds. The gap gets wider the longer they run. 400m boys 53 to 1:05. 400m girls 1:05 to 1:30. The trend continues, as we see the girls clocking in on their high end, about where the boys clock in on their low end.

It's not just track either. Boys and girls play on the same size basketball court, but the 3 point arc is different sizes for men and women, and the basket is lower for females. Boys play baseball on a vastly different field than a softball field. Nets are lower for women in volleyball. They have to separate male and female fighting.

Granted there have been some crossovers, but typically men prevail at sports, with a few exceptions.

There is no "true equality" in sports. This is why it's believed transgender women have an inherent advantage over cis women. Puberty is definitely a factor, as well as if/when they begin hormone treatment. Currently they don't even need to be receiving hormones in most states. They can simply claim they feel female. (I'm not trying to be insulting here, as we can't know how others feel.) However, it is a legitimate concern, especially to female athletes competing for scholarships. They're giving their best usually, and still getting burned by trans females.

Most of the time the trans athlete is putting up cis male numbers against cis females, and celebrated for it. The girls competing against them have to clap, because... what else can they do? We're talking about high school kids here with no real power. Most of them just go along with their peers anyway.

I really don't know if there is a viable solution to this problem. Yet, there definitely is a vast difference between male and female sports, and they need a clear dividing line on it. It's not something that can just be rammed through with legislature that says "it's okay for them to compete against each other." Even the Olympics have guidelines for transgender athletes. It is hurting our cis female athletes. That is why it's being blocked in some states, and honestly the states have that right.

Speaking of Olympics: https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/trans-women-retain-a...

I'm not against trans athletes competing. I just think they need to find some kind of middle ground, and there needs to be some regulation on it. One story I read awhile back was touting two transgender females destroyed a female track meet, coming in first and second with times in the 11.x area in the 100m. They never say what third place came in with, but I'm willing to bet it was in the 13s or 14s. To the average person, that would look like a pretty close race. In reality, it's two transgender females running at the top of the male game. While the cis females were running at the top of their game... not even close to catching them.

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Girl vs boy

0.25tspgirl's picture

My Mom used to tell stories about her childhood. Small town. She was number 4 in the “pack”. Number one was an other girl. Everyone else knew not to mess with her. She was tiny and fast. The youngest of 7. She could be mean too. Family played baseball for fun. She was good.

Very few trans females would have any advantage over good ggs in sports. Still, any way to cut your competition goes in this winning is all country of ours.

BAK 0.25tspgirl

Scale of ability

Maddy Bell's picture

My sport, as i'm sure you all have gathered, is cycling. Compared to most sports its very open, male and female often competing in the same events until the highest tiers (there are moves to change that situation too with mixed gender teams likely within a few years, there is already a mixed event at WC level), one of the top commentators rode the Tour de France etc before transitioning. Over the years there have been a fair few women riders who, particularly in endurance events, could wipe the floor with the men, Beryl Burton famously held the 12 hour record ahead of any man for a dozen years and one young woman, disguised herself as a man to ride the Tour of Italy! Some of the current female professionals can certainly hold their own with the men, but its not just at the elite level.

In cycling at least, men are ahead at short, explosive disciplines but as endurance becomes a bigger factor than brute strength, the advantage drops off to a point of near equality. The biggest thing holding back women in cycling isn't ability but officialdom at the highest level, restricting distance and duration for women who inevitably train to that restricted level. I also think there are fewer woman prepared to give up all else in their lives for a tilt at the world stage although the professional female ranks have multiplied quickly in the last ten years and not with a stable of trans riders!

I have a friend, around my age, a small woman with a fiery temperament and gritty demeanour, from experience you'd have to be, even as she's in her late 50's, a fair rider to compete with her on equal terms. As such you wouldn't think she'd be worried about the subject being discussed, she can/could whap just about anyone of either sex in her chosen discipline. However she is so vehemently against trans persons being allowed to compete in sport you'd think she was a Daily Mail reader, i wouldn't dare even broach the subject with her - it seems its fine for her to beat the men but if one of the males identified as female (having been neutered etc) that would be like asking her to kill her first born! Otherwise she's quite rational.

This sort of skit does nothing more than play into the insecurities of people like my friend, the world is out to get them and anyone outside of their narrow definition of gender even more so. I don't know whether the Eastern Block ever went as far as mtof sex changes in their testo fuelled sports programmes but the thought that anyone would think that it was a way toward fame and fortune...maybe if it was David Beckham?


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