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The majority won't understand what this is about. Some will. This is for those few. WD and a few other HD mfg are adding shingling to some of their drives. It's raising havoc with the RAID build. This drive will work as a stand alone in a personal computer. It won't work in a mirrored array. I doubt it could even be cloned and used that way as it does not work well or get along with normal drives. If none of this makes sense, ignore it, you aren't one of those who will be running into problems with these HDs. What ticks me off is the companies weren't informing the buyers.
https://blocksandfiles.com/2020/04/14/wd-red-nas-drives-shin...
Different subject. I was more than busy. Afraid of losing all the data on the HD and not wanting to back up everything on a jump drive as that particular computer wouldn't boot from a USB port. Instead of installing and cloning the HD myself I dropped it off at the computer store and told them to install a second drive and clone it. A two hour job at the max. It was twelve days before I got my computer back. They dropped in a second drive and tried to mirror it. Wiped out the original HD and nothing transferred to the second drive. I was sooooo ticked! "Why didn't you clone it like I asked?" "We did, we mirrored it." "Not the same thing. Mirrored drives must have same sectors, same storage, be an identical twin to the first drive. Cloned will format the second drive to match the first drive. Only if the second drive is as large or larger than the first drive."
It was the fifth time I dropped off my computer to a computer store and they trashed it. Never again no matter how busy I am. Never happen. HP Laptop boot sector is proprietary. I told the Computer Geeks that. There is no way to format a HP HD when the computer won't boot from any disk or any source unless one has the right boot format.It has to be formatted to HP specs BEFORE it is installed. Expensive boat anchor. God, please can I come home now?
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Barb
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My condolences
As you've said "Never again!"
As a professional computer
As a professional computer geek, all I can say is that you needed to put it in writing, with a penalty. Stores aren't professional "geeks", generally. They're learning centers, and basically parts installers. That's about it.
For me, if a customer hands me a machine and says that the information is very important, the first thing I do is back it up, or clone it to an image on a temporary storage drive, before I do anything else.
No, HP doesn't have a proprietary hard drive format. The closest to that is that they have a restore image partition that does have to be set in place "Properly" (As does Dell). Most of the time, I don't bother with those. I do clean installs, and use the Windows 10 "recovery" process without all the HP bloat for later.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
I'll second that
The second point, that is. We have an HP laptop, not a new one but not very old, and I pulled the HDD out and replaced it with a brand new SSD. It installed Debian Linux fine :)
As Bib says, there's a special partition somewhere with tools on it. Got caught out when the Wifi wouldn't work. Swapped the Windows disk back, turned on the Wifi, pulled it again...
As always, YMMV.
Penny
PS Oh, and I have a cupboard full of servers full of WD Red NAS drives. Fortunately none more than 1Tb each, but I'm keeping an eye on the situation.
I'm now thinking of putting
I'm now thinking of putting little tiny shingles from the hobby store on my external HD to make it look like a little rustic cabin.
I'm also wondering: If my HD has shingles, does that mean it once had chickenpox?
Yes, I've got cabin fever.
Kris
{I leave a trail of Kudos as I browse the site. Be careful where you step!}
Hey!!!
Are you trying to Shanghai this shingle shtory?
Jill
Angela Rasch (Jill M I)
I read that
and thought "Gee, are the shingles for new data caps?" (yes, I have been following the story)
Well
I had no idea they were shipping shingled drives to consumers. I just ordered two drives that are arriving Wednesday which looking back at my order confirms they're (probably) shingled. Looks like their going back since I was looking to put them in a RAID array. Thanks for the fyi.
Have delightfully devious day,
I'll admit I hadn't even
I'll admit I hadn't even heard of shingling - probably because I only work in the business end of drives. I spend more time just keeping customers running, and most of the systems use single drives.
I'll definitely have to watch out, as some of my customers are coming up on RAID drive replacement time.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.
HP was proprietary in their boot sector
Not sure how far back until they changed it as I haven't had any problems replacing the HD in the HP desktops. But the laptop was most certainly one of a kind. The MS Windows OS was Win II. Didn't find the data on the HP for back then. IBM was the same. If one looks it up. Read several instances where IBM was reverse engineered, the independent shops could then work on them. A need to work on a HP laptop hasn't occurred in over twenty years. One is sitting in front of me now. It goes on the road with me every time I need to go out of town. It's a battery hog. I keep an inverter in the car to keep it charged. My only complaints are it wants to do weird things with MS Word and whoever designed the keyboard is a sadist. Data is pulled and it is parked until I need it on the road again. I'm running a HP Keyboard on my Dell because I don't like Dell keyboards either. Back in the dark ages I built computers from the MB up, wrote the programs. The worse virus I ever had was one I had wrote myself. I had to low level format the HD to get rid of it. Never again, but I'm safe. I don't do either of them things now.
hugs
Barb
Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl
Cloning around
For me, a standalone cloner is great though can be slow as well as inflexible in how it clones in the sense of the size of the destination HD.
I do not trust computer places nor do I have to since I have reasonable computer skills though not an expert through and through.
Like you said, a lot of places are incompetent.
I use Clonezilla.
I use Clonezilla.
I'll get a life when it's proven and substantiated to be better than what I'm currently experiencing.