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Lots of stories here feature school life in the USA. I read this article this morning which describes a school life so alien from my own, very long distant, school days here in the English NE Midlands. It reads so much like some fantastic dystopia that I can't help but feel that it's distorting the reality. I'd be interested in reading comments from our US friends to gain a little perspective.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jan/09/texas-police-sch...

Robi

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Ya see, it's like this...

I'm from the Detroit suburbs, and it was NOWHERE near as bad as the inner city schools, but we had guards, steel doors dividing hallways that were locked between classes, and many other security measures. I could see posting an armed guard to stop bullying or other harmful behavior, or to curb drug and gang activity. This is just another time that a good idea got carried away (it's a regular occurence on our side of the pond).

200 plus years, and it's still screwed up worse than a Gordian Knot. It's a bit embarrassing at times.' I love my country...it's the residents I worry about.

Wren

It's quite frightening...

I have a few friends in some southern states. They told me how serious late entrance to school was and how if you missed a day of school you were in really serious trouble. Some ridiculous figure like if you missed 7 days of classes or something then you were failed.

I don't think this happens on "our side of the pond" per se. I've no experience of this in Canada.

My secondary school had no fences (except for the play area of the tennis court) and no "off property" rules. People often left the school at lunch to get pizza and sometimes (if you had a nice teacher) could leave in the middle of a slow class to pick up Tim Horton's. But you had to remember to slide the teacher a coffee.

It frightens me to think that fences, metal detectors, and guards are the "norm" in some schools in the US. My Primary and Middle School had a fence (no barbed wire) but it was designed to keep strangers out rather than the children in. Not the most effective thing though considering the gates were never shut. I hope it's not a frequent occurrence and I really hope it doesn't happen in Canada. Though I've heard some horror stories of Native Reserves in the north.

Personal perspective

I can't speak directly about Texas schools, but I can describe what I experienced growing up in Los Angeles.

I entered Junior High School in the fall of 1967 (7th grade). The campus was ringed with tall chain link fences topped with barbed wire - angled towards the school to keep the kids in. Only one access point was open to gain entrance and it was guarded. Armed LAPD Officers patrolled the campus. The school used the normal system of bells to indicate the start/end of class, with one difference - there was another bell after the tardy bell, call the expulsion bell. Once it rang, all class room doors were locked and the hall swept for anyone out of class. If you were out, you were expelled from school.

To add to this wonderful learning environment, many of the girls were wearing folded up straight razors in their hair for protection.

My first lesson at this school came from a PE teacher who took aside the Anglo students and showed us how to make a "Tijuana Switchblade" out of a broken off glass Coke bottle, and then explained how to use it with suggestions of regarding placement.

We had every major gang you've ever heard of plus some Triads from Hong Kong.

In short, the overt security WAS needed,. We had several riots plus incidents of teachers being assaulted - like throwing a 60 year old searcher down three flits of stairs because she failed a gang banger (deservedly). She wound up with a broken pelvis, and a broken arm.

Oh, I forgot to mention, This was in Hollywood.

I guess I need to apologize for the rant, maybe I have some scars here...

Anyway, the point I was trying to make is that many US school systems, especially in heavily populated areas, are much more involved with "social engineering" than the teaching of knowledge. I do not agree with the idea of criminal proceedings for the majority of the offenses noted in the article, but as I witnessed back 45 years or so ago, many of these kids are dangerous. Back then, they did not bring guns to school - just knives, chains and such.

If I had not taught myself in the library, I would not have ever gotten out of Jr. High, let alone received a college degree. Yes,I was a nerd and it saved me.

Something needs to be done with the US educational system, because it has, in many cases, become a prep system for the prison/criminal system.

I hope I did't get too far off topic and I certainly hope I don't offend anyone.

Kathy

Sign of the Time

When parents stop being parents and chose instead to be their child's best friend, someone must step in and teach them right from wrong. Even worse, you now have parents ready to sue schools and teachers at the drop of a hat for the most trivial thing. The reframe, "My little Johnny would never do that," has become the mantra of parents across the U.S. whenever their little precious is called to account for their conduct, no matter how outrageous or disruptive.

Schools and teachers are having to protect themselves, not only from parents who have their lawyers on speed dial, but children who know that no matter what they do or say in school, mommy dearest and daddy will stick up for them.

The result is a generation of teachers and school administrators who no longer make any effort to discipline students or attempt to enforce standards, choosing instead to pass the buck onto the courts and legal system to deal with problems my teachers and parents used to handle.

And for those who say I am out of bounds here, I have only one word; Columbine.

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...in large portions of the South, which replaced slavery after the American Civil War with a system of penal servitude, once very widespread but still going on today, in which primarily "persons of colour" were detained, often on trumped-up charges, and placed into "work gangs," often chained, whence the expression "chain gang," and set to doing everything from picking cotton for the same farmers who once owned their persons as chattel to staffing the most dangerous jobs in coal mines. Don't forget, once a human being is forced into the justice system as a "criminal," it's only a matter of time before they do something that might be classed as a felony, which in large sections of the same general area will preclude the opportunity to vote for a good long time, in a few states for the rest of their natural lives.

Those innocent schoolchildren are tomorrow's voters, so there's no sense taking chances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disfranchisement_after_Reconstruction_era

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_rights_in_the_United_States#Prisoners

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felony_disenfranchisement

More than five million citizens of the USA are precluded from voting, and the USA has more people in prison than any other nation, including such notorious "human rights abusers" as China, whose prison system contains, as a percentage of the total population, a minuscule number of prisoners.

Recent attempts to limit the right to vote in the USA have included checking voter lists for persons with the same name as any criminal, or a similar name, enforced preferentially in minority districts. Bingo.

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style

U.S. Schools

RAMI

This article covers many topics ranging from the problem in the Texas schools discussed ,the situation which occurred last week when a junior high school student pointed a gun albeit a pellet gun at police officers and an incident at the University of Florida.

Regarding the incident at the University of Florida, it was of particular interest to me because my two children went to U.F. and one of them was still there at the time of the incident. The student involved, intentionally acted provocatively, refused police instruction to stop what he was doing and basically acted in a hostile manner when campus police tried to remove him from the building. Whether or not he should’ve been moved is not the question. When he was asked to leave, he didn’t. In fact, there is some evidence that he wanted to be tazed as some stunt. He became famous in blogs and on the web, for yelling as he was taken away, “don’t taze me bro”.A you tube link is below.www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bVa6jn4rpE

After the incident when a junior high school student was killed in Texas there seems to be a mixed opinion as to whether or not the police acted properly. The student according to reports had threatened other students and faculty before the incident. The police were called and tried to calm him down and control them. He refused, pointed the gun and was then shot. The gun in question, looked like a real pistol and did not have any indicators that it was less than a real weapon. So-called police experts, have come down on both sides of the issue, with most stating, that as soon as he pointed the weapon, the police were free to shoot back. Could he have been tazed or nonlethal bullets used is open to question. Those who say just that the police could have shot him in the leg or arm or any other place nonlethal have watched too much TV.

As to the main issue. My experience in Florida is different than that described in Texas. My wife is an elementary school teacher, and while there is a police resource officer who visits the school regularly, and is on call for emergencies, he is not stationed there on a full-time basis and I believe only has the authority to act in extreme cases.

Most high schools do have full-time police officers from the local police department assigned to the school. They there to handle severe problems and not those discussed in the article.

The problems leading to the situation as discussed in the article is twofold.

The first is the no tolerance policy. The policy punishes typical juvenile activity and activity that is non-threatening. A girl carrying or taking aspirin or some other equivalent for her menstrual cramps is treated as if she was carrying cocaine or heroin. A a teenage boy, doing what was described when I was in junior high school “as playing footsie”, would be accused of sexual harassment. Someone with a pair of nail clippers could be accused of carrying weapon. These policies which are designed to combat true problems that might exist in the school have gotten out of hand. In reflecting on my own conduct, I am sure that at some time or someplace I would have run afoul of the rules and been punished. Instead of being asked to speak with the teacher after class, and she explained that my conduct was not proper for young gentleman, and suffering just a brief moment of embarrassment, I would have been subject to sexual harassment charges. .

The second reason is the lack of decorum and proper manners in the classroom. Conduct that was rare in your typical classroom when I was in school (graduated H.S> in 1969) is commonplace now. Punishment by being sent down to the principal and having your parents called, today means nothing. The principal would likely be cursed or threatened by the student, and the parents if they responded at all would take the child’s side and perhaps hire a lawyer to sue the school. At times it appears that the lunatics are running the asylum, thus requiring that certain problems that should be handled differently are turned over to the police.

All that being said, it does appear that the schools described in the article are beyond the norm in my part of the country. I have contacted my brother who is a member of the school board in another area of Texas to get his input. Once I hear back from them. I will let you know what he says.

RAMI

RAMI

A Different State of Being

Unfortunately, the U S is a violent country. The "Indian Wars," The Civil War (War Between the States), the "Lawless West," WWII, Vietnam, and the Kennedy Assassination were contributing factors to this violence. This is an attempt to stop the violence.

Note: Texas is a different State of mind ten the other 49 states. Like Brooklyn, NY you need a passport to get in. (giggle)

Also, in eighth(?) grade I had perfume thrown over me. It smelled nice.

Go figure!

Amazingly, the rise in bad behavior and outright criminal activity by school-age kids pretty much parallels the rise of "progressive" child raising started by Dr. Benjamin Spock in the Sixties and expanded on by the people who followed. If I got in serious trouble in school I might even have gotten swats as a disciplinary measure. My parents were informed and I would be lucky not to get a spanking at home. The mere threat was enough to keep most of us inline. Nowadays swats are considered "child abuse" and parents would immediately file a lawsuit rather than address the child's behavior.

There is a flat-out refusal of people to take responsibility for their behavior. Parents expect schools to control their kids' behavior while at the same time refusing to allow them the tools necessary. Then the lawmakers get involved, passing stupid laws that just make the situation worse. Throw in the political parties: one wants to put all juvenile offenders in prison and throw away the keys; the other wants to pat them on the head, tell them they aren't responsible for their behavior send them away. Makes me want to vote "No" in the next election.

What we've done here in the U.S. is throw away a system of child-raising that worked pretty well for 150 years and eplaced it with a system that has given us Columbine, street gangs, and Virginia Tech. I think its way past time to throw out all the bleeding-hearts and go back to a proven method, one that teaches personal responsibility and citizenship. Yes, there were flaws but the system that gave us the "Greatest Generation" must have been doing something right.

Karen J.

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Dr Benjamin Spock's book, Baby and Child Care was published in 1946, so was indirectly responsible directly responsible for the disappearance of the USAF Avenger torpedo bombers known as Flight 19 in the Bermuda Triangle and eventually the third resurgence of the Ku Klux Klan in the early Fifties, planning for which is known to have begun shortly after the book's first publication. Indirectly, of course, he started the Korean War in 1950, since Mao Tse Tung was an avid fan, copying many of Dr. Spock's guidelines in the Little Red Book and the rulers of what became North Korea were required to read it in translation. Space aliens, Commie plots, Southern racists, and fellow travellers... that man has a lot to answer for...

On the other hand, the Polio vaccine was developed by Jonas Salk in the shadow of its malign influence, and his son Peter, who followed his father into the practice of medicine, was a really cool guy. I knew him during his residency in Ohio. Strangely enough, he was raised "by the book." Go figure. He has offices in La Jolla (pronounced "la hoya" in Californese) these days. If you're ever in need of a doctor of internal medicine, I can't recommend him highly enough. He graduated Phi Beta Kappa (a national honours society) from Harvard. Smart guy. I loved talking with him.

Cheers,

Puddin'

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Cheers,

Puddin'

A tender heart is an asset to an editor: it helps us be ruthless in a tactful way.
--- The Chicago Manual of Style