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For those not English, "Pants" is not only a reference to underwear — usually men's — but can also can mean: awful or nasty, not pleasant at all.

Today was pants because of pants.

Now, those who know me — although it's been so long since I last posted anything, I may now be no more than a dim and distant memory — I'm not trans. I got into writing TG fiction many years ago because of someone I met at work, but now here's the strange thing about life. I now live in France, where my name sounds like Nicola and because Pen and I are now married, I am her Marie — go figure.

Any-who, here's the story, which begins about a year ago when we visited a shop in a neighbouring town that sells bankrupt stock at bargain prices. So far, we've bought some pretty good gear from there — some pretty shit stuff too, to be honest — so when Pen alerted me to some very reasonably priced pants I might be interested in, I went and had a look.

They were really nice. Plain black, but a nice shape. They were not at all bulky and didn't use bungee cord for elastic, but there was an issue. "They're women's," I told her.

"No they're not," she replied.

She was wrong. They were in fact ladies knickers, panties or underthings. Ironically, they were my size, but they were women's and not for a bloke ... me.

"Don't know what you're worried about," Pen said in the car on the way home. "Who would know?"

Now don't get me wrong. When Pen mentioned the idea of me putting on women's clothing, even if only knickers, I did get a little hot under the collar and ... well ... interested, shall we say. However, this for some reason didn't seem like the right thing to be doing. I mean, my wife buying me ladies undies to wear outside of the bedroom? Sadly, it wouldn't have been for enjoyment. It was simply for practicality. Oh well. I fucked that one up good and proper, didn't I?

So moving on and the last time I bought new underwear it was from a company called Sports Direct. If you've heard of the company, it's a bit of a crap shoot. You can get really good quality gear at bargain basement prices because it's end of line stuff. On the other hand, I think they also sell a lot of "seconds". These are items that haven't passed muster and are being got rid of cheap. These include things like socks that aren't as big as they're supposed to be etc.

Well I bought a multipack of men's pants, but then had a falling out with the company when they sent me the wrong items and refused to replace them with the right ones. In addition, it came to light that they treat their workers like shit, so I boycotted them.

Shot myself in the foot there too, didn't I?

No more cheap undies.

So with the last lot beginning to look a little the worse for wear, I decided it was time to get some more.

Looking on-line, I was stunned at the prices. You're looking at about 6€ a pair for basic pants.

"HOW MUCH?!"

Considering I bought a brand new pair of jeans a couple of years ago for 10€ — damned good quality too — I was buggered if I was going to pay nearly that for a pair of bloody pants!

So I looked around the internet and discovered the latest scam. Underwear for a penny a pair.

The catch?

You pay 5.99€ per pair for postage and packing.

So today we were out looking for — amongst other things — underwear for me. Of course, secretly I was hoping we'd find some more girly pants that Penny would suggest might be appropriate, since of course, who would know?

... but it wasn't to be.

What I can't seem to get my head round is that you can't even buy cotton briefs for men without spending an arm and a leg on them. I don't want to be able to get my arms through anyway, just my legs. There are no end of fucking boxers or "shorts", but the only briefs were like old men's "Y" fronts. Some of them looked baggy before they were on, not to mention they looked huge and really lumpy old bit's of rubbish — which Pen agreed I wasn't getting under any circumstances.

So the upshot is, I'm beginning to wonder if someone can be slightly trans? Can someone get a little "interested" at the idea of wearing women's underwear, even if it's just utilitarian, common or garden, comfort-over-sexy-type-briefs and not necessarily want to escalate it to full-on lingerie or the full Monty? Is it possible that whilst I don't think I'm gender dysphoric, I do feel drawn to the underwear and not necessarily in a sexually fantasised manner.

It's certainly made me wonder.

Now don't get the wrong idea here. I'm not suddenly going to want dresses, high-heels and makeup. Nothing could be further from my mind, but it has occurred to me that since they're selling boxers for women in high street shops and it's nothing to see girls in men's clothes, or at least clothing which used to be considered men's; what is so wrong with someone like me wanting underwear that doesn't come in military spec? Underwear that's softer and more forgiving than the usual garbage that's out there for men?

It bothers me because while I don't want lace or shiny satin or anything like that — well not yet anyway — I've been looking at multipacks of knickers that come in nice bright colours, which aren't necessarily female only colours, they're just NOT simply black, white or grey. I mean, I don't want little love hearts, unicorns or the like — although a nice dragon design would be acceptable — oh no. I just want to be able to buy a multipack of pants that don't feel like burlap sacking and don't cost loads of money. Is that too much to ask?

Your insights here would be appreciated,

Thank you

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Hello

Andrea Lena's picture

a continuum of interest/need? Either way, you're adorable!

  

To be alive is to be vulnerable. Madeleine L'Engle
Love, Andrea Lena

Hello Andrea

Thanks. That's made my evening.

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I don't just look adorable, apparently I am adorable

I do love human nature

BarbieLee's picture

Nick, you been drinking the koolaid. Which pill would you like me to give you? Choose, Red or Blue?
Let's step away from it's men's clothes or it's women's clothes because there are years of embedded training it would take months, years of therapy to cleanse. Personally, I don't have the time.
You were looking for a boat. In your mind you have a general idea what a fishing boat is. That is what you want. In your search you stumbled across a boat a person (man or woman makes no difference) had to sell. It's a sleek little boat, tri hull,your mind thinks that would be a stable fishing boat. It has a reverse curve keel. You think it's unusual but still a boat is a boat. At the stern it has a flat spot just a tad lower than the rest of the keel. Still a great fishing boat. The only thing that bothers you is all the gauges on the dash and the bucket seats have three point safety harness. Fishing boat for rough seas probably. But that big ass engine on the stern is an eye opener. Did they really need that for rough seas?
She or he gives you a price. You can't believe it. the boat must be hot (stolen) It's cheaper than the Jon Boat at the dealer and that only had a trolling motor, no seats, no nothing but a boat and motor. You decide you will purchase the boat after being assured it is an honest sale. Unbelievably cheap but still who can pass up a deal like that?
Your "fishing boat" finds a new home. Come the weekend you toss all your fishing gear in and head to the channel. While you are putting it into the water you draw dozens of admirers. Once out away from the dock you feel a little draw to see what she's got After all your favorite fishing hole is a dozen kilometers away. You open up the throttle and that big ass engine shows you what you got, a Tiger by the tail. Immediately the hull steps up on it's pad. Remember that little flat spot of the keel at the stern. That's called a pad and your boat is flying across the water with only that tiny little bit of hull carrying the whole boat, motor, and everything in the boat. Not quite a hydrofoil but close. Fifty to sixty MPH across the lake.
Eventually with time the guys at the dock tell you it's a racing boat built for races.
So answer me this question. If you own a racing boat does that automatically make you a race driver? Does a fishing boat make you a fisherman?
Is the light on yet? If you get turned into a transsexual from wearing anything feminine, you need to get back to writing stories in Riply's Believe it Or Not. "IF" you aren't man enough to wear something that isn't green and has John Deere printed across the butt. Stop worrying about being turned into a girl. You ain't got balls enough to be a girl.
Said time and time again, the female is the strongest one of the human species.
Nick, don't take this to heart. It isn't about you but the mental attitude of the human race. You set up the perfect situation for me to try and fill in some reasoning to the rest of the testosterone crowd. Your blog was begging me to load both barrels and try and break a few mental barriers all men have driven into them from the first day they learn blue is for boys and pink if for girls.
Hugs Nick and tell your wife for me. I think she has a keeper.
Barb
Life is a test for? Where did all the silly rules come from?

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

Human nature

I'd like to say that the boat analogy was interesting. Not entirely on point in my opinion, but interesting nonetheless.

I've been writing stories here for more than ten years, Some of them are still being read, so my blog entry was partly rhetorical and I'll admit, I deserve what you've said. I'm not trans I admitted that, but the question was, is it possible to be a little bit trans and I believe the answer is yes for most people.

I would imagine that there are many people who are at least curious what it might be like, just as there are many who are curious what it may be like being with a person of the same sex - or opposite if they're already inclined that way.

So perhaps I knew what my answer was before I even asked the question. I feel there maybe more than just a little understanding of trans people in me and I don't mind it at all. So it's not social conditioning, it's the way I am. the contents of my stories did not come from conversations with a trans girl alone. So there, I've said it.

Thanks Barbie

As direct an answer as I'm able

Patricia Marie Allen's picture

Is it possible for someone to be "slightly Trans"?

Yes, of course. Carl Jung, (search for him with any search engine) postulated, back in the 50s, that there was something masculine about every woman and something feminine about every man.

The general consensus of opinion is that gender is a spectrum. Masculine is at one end and feminine is at the other. Carl Jung's theory would say, and I agree, that no one is absolutely at one end or the other, but that every one is some distance from either end. How much varies widely with each individual. Most of the people in the world are close enough to the end that matches their physical sex that they assume that they are at that end. Those of us in the transgender community are varying distances from the end that matches. Most of us are far enough away that we feel the disconnect. How well we cope with that is mostly tied to just how far away were are and how much of our gender we can display.

Finding women's underwear more comfortable than men's is only a small distance on the gender spectrum. In reality, you've probably always been there without knowing it. You've expressed a dislike for boxer shorts. Not surprising. I've never liked boxers, or going commando. I like things confined. I've always, from a young age, worn what in the USA is know as "tighty-whities" I believe in the UK, they are referred to as Y fronts. That is until I began to deal with my Trans nature somewhere in my 30s. I switched to woman's underwear exclusively. I simply liked the fit. A nylon/Lycra blend worked well for me.

I assure you that the preference for women's underwear is not fueled by a thrill, but simply physical and psychological comfort.

So, go ahead, wear the woman's undies. As for being trans? Maybe, maybe not. But then, who cares?

Hugs
Patricia

Happiness is being all dressed up and HAVING some place to go.
Semper in femineo gerunt

As direct a reply

I think you're 100% right. I think though that the male/female scale is not quite as simple as that, as there are many aspects of behaviour that contribute to the way a person feels about themselves.

I believe that most people as you say are a mixture and that there is no such thing as "straight".

As to whether I'm a little trans - maybe. Maybe I don't have the imagination to have made all of my stories up...

You're right. It's not that simple

Patricia Marie Allen's picture

Gender is definitely not that simple. The gender spectrum is infinitely divided. And, I believe, it's not static. That is to say where you are on the spectrum when you're 20 is different that where you'll be when you're 30 which is different then where you'll be when you're 40.

That doesn't take into account those who are gender fluid. Something I find hard to wrap my head around. Then of course there are those who are null gender, another concept that is foreign to me.

In my experience the gender spectrum is a bit like a railroad line. There is a beginning and a terminus with an infinite number of stops in between. The beginning is the gender you are assigned at birth, or as close as anyone really is there. The terminus is the other gender designation. A person can get on the train, ride it for a few stops, get off an settle for a while; then get back on for a few more stops. This can go on for decades. It's even possible to find that they have gone to far and they get back on going the other way to a more comfortable stop.

For me, I started out near the masculine end, but as my personality developed, I drifted farther and farther away from that end. Up until I was nine, I thought I was just a crybaby, or a mama's boy. But when I was nine, I discovered girls clothes and how it felt to wear them. In less than a week, I went from having no clue to being a confirmed cross-dresser. I spent the next sixteen years believing I was "just a cross-dresser." I wasn't really trans... I didn't want to become a woman, I just liked to wear the clothes... like it was a hobby. I totally ignored the fact that I had a large number of feminine traits that I stuffed because I was supposed to be a man. In some respects I went out of my way to be macho. I worked physically demanding jobs; I took up hunting and fishing, backpacking into the high lakes of the Cascade Mountains; I took of Sports Car Rallying as a hobby. All high testosterone efforts, to prove to myself that, to spite enjoying women's clothes, I was a man's man.

It wasn't until my forties that I began to find a crack in that armor. As I mentioned in my thirties, I swapped out my underwear for women's. The need to cross-dress escalated with each passing year. But in my forties, I began to desire breasts. Mind you I always appreciated breasts on women, but the breasts I desired were breasts on my chest. I had to ask myself, "If I'm just a cross-dresser, then why do I want my body to be different?" A lot of soul searching was in order. Some where in my fifties, I determined I wasn't "just a cross-dresser" but was trans. Now the question remained, just how trans was I? In my sixties, I did ask my doctor for a prescription for hormones. The doctor declined, citing breast cancer risks. Then my doctor retired and after I became comfortable with my new doctor, I tried again and got a referral to the Gender Pathways Clinic where I did get a prescription and started HRT at 72 years of age. For now, I've settled in as a no-opp-transperson. I'll not have any surgeries but I'm enjoying my body chemistry being in the feminine camp.

Hugs
Patricia

Happiness is being all dressed up and HAVING some place to go.
Semper in femineo gerunt

Some of us received the wrong ticket

BarbieLee's picture

Hugs Patty, from age four or five I knew I was a girl. There never was any doubt. There was never any doubt God is real or I would have ended this mistake back then too. If you can, imagine a five year old begging God to take "him" back or change him into a real girl. Obviously I wasn't that ready to check out. When I was sixteen I had a deadly disease, God gave me a choice, Everyone is having to put up with my decision. It's why I'm so adamant against the Harry Benjamin rules of transgender care. For some, that train ride is too long and the right terminal is too late by the time they "don't" reach it. They are buried because society didn't allow them to make a mistake.
Medical science has made great strides if they would use it. We know for fact men and women's brains develop differently. A brain scan can tell if they are operating a female mind inside a boy body or visa versa. It would be sheer stupidity to rely on that alone but it's a start.
"I would rather have a live daughter than a dead son." Never resonated with the political set nor with a lot of the medical class either. I know it has a lot to do with males thinking they would rather die than lose what is between their legs. Thinking with their smallest head?
Hugs Patty
Barb
:Life is a test? Do we pass?

Oklahoma born and raised cowgirl

Gender fluidity

There is a simple an explanation for this in my oipinion.

There are two GENETIC genders, plus there's intersex.

Now to my mind, that's just biology, which doesn't touch what's in the mind. The two can be mutually exclusive and we've seen that very manifestation in those who are born with one biological gender, but identify as the other.

Gender fluid sounds to me very much like Eddy Izzard who stated that some days he feels feminine and others, masculine. Whether that goes so far as to incorporate sexual preference, in his case, no, but in the case of others, quite possibly. However, sexual preference is quite another thing altogether.

The fact is, that personally, I found writing my stories both exhilarating and frightening at the same time. Some days I would identify more with my character's male side and others the feminine. In life too, some days I feel out of sorts, but have realised that it's a very mild form of dysphoria. I will admit that whilst I don't feel entirely "masculine", I'm ALWAYS closer to the masculine line than feminine.

So, while some days I identify more with my less masculine side, mostly, I identify as male. I do however have a preference for a slightly more androgynous wardrobe. For instance, I like colour and am quite well known for my red kicker boots and a much more colourful clothing than would normally be expected from a typical male — judging by what's available in most high street shops and the people I see around me.

So gender fluid could be explained — in some cases at least — that way. It could also be tied in with biorhythms, who knows? All I know that although my fluidity doesn't encompass a great deal of spectrum, I know it's there and yes, it can be difficult at times, because I don't quite know what to do or whether to actually do anything.

I'd like to turn it around

I'm trans. There's no doubt about it. I'm too old and too ugly to pass but I wear the odd dress around the house, mainly because they are a damn sight more comfortable than anything ever made for men... excepting maybe boiler suits.

My problem is that my pelvic bones are the wrong shape. My hip measurement has always been larger than my chest measurement. My waistline is about 5"/125mm higher than my navel. They don't make trousers (pants?) that will fit me and that goes for underwear too. If I find a pair that fits perfectly when standing up they are impossible to sit down in. What I wear is usually too large and worn with a belt to make sure they don't fall down. (Skirts, of course, are fine.)

I wore standard men's underwear for a long time, and put up with them, right up until I began cycling again in the mid-80's. At that point I realised that nothing was going to work under cycling shorts. Now the purist will tell you that nothing should be worn under cycling shorts, but then they don't have to wash the things afterwards.

So, after a brief trial with various designs from Damart I latched onto Sloggis. From then until now I have worn (almost) nothing but Sloggi Maxi-briefs. Almost because I keep two pairs of boxer shorts against a necessary visit to the doctor's, and boy are they uncomfortable. They come off the moment I get home again.

So I wouldn't worry about who they were made for or whether they have a little lace trim around the edges. If the things fit, and they are comfortable, wear them.

Oh, Sloggis aren't cheap, but they are nearly always on offer somewhere and they last a good long time.

Penny

Sloggis

Pen wears Sloggis and in all honesty, I'd rather it wasn't constant arguments over whose is whose when the washing gets done...

Comfort is definitely the key here though.

Easy Peasy

She wears the white ones, you wear the pink ones.

Oh, all right, if you insist, you can wear the black ones.

stop

Maddy Bell's picture

prevaricating! just buy the damned knickers


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